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Old 05-15-2019, 7:14 AM
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And Texas has no gun signs. I believe they carry legal weight.



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Sadly, i’m seeing more and more of these signs in Texas when I travel their for work. A lot of hotels are putting them up too. What ticks me off is they don’t list that info anywhere when booking, then you show up and are SOL...
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So what happens if you carry there? illegal? I guess not, they can't take your rights, just like uber/left to say no carry and I carry and was stopped b4.

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At ACME in Berkeley, the line is always down the parking lot to the street on Sundays. It's pretty good. Definitely better than Boudin (which I honestly think sucks as bad as Pier 39 and the other tourist crap that caters to the tasteless masses).


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I'm torn. Living in the south bay, Whole Foods is the only place to get real school, old fashioned sour dough bread- the stuff you had as a kid. Not the homogenized generic crap every grocery store sells nowadays. That pronounced sour tang, real chewy crust, that's just right in its crispy outer shell- Acme Bread.

I'll likely still go for it- a guy's got to do what a guy's got to do...living on the edge baby.
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And Texas has no gun signs. I believe they carry legal weight.
Yes, they do.

TX also specifies exactly what must be on the signs and specifies things like placement/visibility; the ones you posted follow the rules.

https://www.uslawshield.com/carrying...7-sign-beware/ - it's generally a $200 fine misdemeanor to ignore those signs, but Some Places Are Special.
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They can post and I can choose not to enter or buy there. It is that simple. I don't need anything they have. Now if I did want to enter, I would as I'm property licensed per my County.
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I carried at the Whole Foods in Fremont last Sunday. My wife laughed that I was probably the only person there with a gun.
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Someone who carries concealed, should not give anybody any evidence that he's carrying. So if you are inside the Whole Foods store and carry as usual, neither an employee nor a customer should be able to detect that with any degree of certainty. A trained person may wonder, but it takes a great deal more to scream "gun!" inside a store.

Thus, *me thinks* that these signs were written by lawyers to reduce liability issues. Not even a year ago, a criminal on the run drove straight to a Trader Joe's store in Los Angeles and one of the managers got shot (don't remember by whom) in the following shootout with police. Now imagine you have a similar situation in Whole Foods, and a customer draws the gun in self-defense and shoots somebody else inside the store. It doesn't take great imagination on how many attorneys will approach the surviving spouse or family member and suggest a multi-million dollar law suit. They know that Jeff Bozo has deep pockets. In such a case, it *may* help the army of Whole Foods legal team to point out that they explicitly prohibit firearms inside their store and since they have no *right* to search customers, they can't be held responsible for that person's injury or passing. That's it. Money, money, money, like everything else in life.
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Someone who carries concealed, should not give anybody any evidence that he's carrying. So if you are inside the Whole Foods store and carry as usual, neither an employee nor a customer should be able to detect that with any degree of certainty. A trained person may wonder, but it takes a great deal more to scream "gun!" inside a store.

Thus, *me thinks* that these signs were written by lawyers to reduce liability issues. Not even a year ago, a criminal on the run drove straight to a Trader Joe's store in Los Angeles and one of the managers got shot (don't remember by whom) in the following shootout with police. Now imagine you have a similar situation in Whole Foods, and a customer draws the gun in self-defense and shoots somebody else inside the store. It doesn't take great imagination on how many attorneys will approach the surviving spouse or family member and suggest a multi-million dollar law suit. They know that Jeff Bozo has deep pockets. In such a case, it *may* help the army of Whole Foods legal team to point out that they explicitly prohibit firearms inside their store and since they have no *right* to search customers, they can't be held responsible for that person's injury or passing. That's it. Money, money, money, like everything else in life.
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Dude. You. Are. So. Wrong.

Not everything is about money, money, money. For everything else there's bacon!
But....

If you have bacon and no money, you will be happy for a short time.

If you have money and no bacon, you can buy bacon.
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Wrong.
I’ll assume you meant federal buildings and government buildings in general (state and local as well), not just federal government buildings. That leaves —just off the top of my head specific to my county but applicable to any licensee from any county, including OC:

Sacramento County regional parks
City of Sacramento parks
Cosumnes CSD parks
Sacramento Regional Wastewater buffer lands

Your county may also have such laws, and any signs posted at those places would very definitely mean something to you whether you want them to or not.
You assume correctly..

A sign at a Starbucks or Whole Foods or other business means nothing..

Court houses, govt buildings, etc.. the signs matter.

But the ones at businesses are to be ignored..
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I was using GFZ in a non-technical sense, like the "This Home is a Gun-Free Zone!" signs your liberal neighbors have in their front yards. (If they won't do that, you can put a "My Liberal Neighbors are Unarmed" sign up in your front yard. )

My reply was in regard to those saying the only consequences will be getting asked to leave. I showed how easily LE could become involved and that will require you to inform your IA of the incident and when they find out you carried against a restriction on your CCW (not to carry in GFZs, whether private or public), you will likely lose your "privilege"/permit to CC.
Ahh..

I could get the cops called on my anywhere.. there's no restriction on my permit about carrying in a Starbucks, no matter how many silly signs they put up.

Now carrying in a GFZ isn't illegal either.. I just, thanks to the recent stupid law, can't carry ON the school property.. but I can carry in the GFZ.

There are specific places on my permit that I can't carry.. govt buildings.. state deals.. bars.. etc

If I carry in a Whole Foods and they see I'm carrying (which means I screwed up) then the most they can do is ask me to leave and if I don't it's a trespass.

In some states the silly little signs in establishments hold legal weight, not in CA.. go figure.
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But....

If you have bacon and no money, you will be happy for a short time.

If you have money and no bacon, you can buy bacon.
Ah yes. I know this all too well. The bacon conundrum. Use your money wisely the old man said. Spend it all on bacon, you will soon have no more to spend to buy the bacon.
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Sign means nothing unless it'a s federal/govt building..

I laugh at those silly little signs..
Not sure about your IA, but back in the day, my Nevada permit required that I obey posted signs. The catch was that I had to be posted at all public entrances, but if it was, then disobeying the posted sign was a good way to lose your CCW.
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Ah yes. I know this all too well. The bacon conundrum. Use your money wisely the old man said. Spend it all on bacon, you will soon have no more to spend to buy the bacon.
Spend a portion on a boy and girl pig. You will have bacon. All else will take care of itself.
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If I carry in a Whole Foods and they see I'm carrying (which means I screwed up) then the most they can do is ask me to leave and if I don't it's a trespass.
Some folks have suggested that the signage is the first warning, and LEOs get called immediately. Others have asserted that the issue may be moot under the provisions of CA PEN 602.1 (Trespassing)
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(d) This section shall not apply to any of the following persons:
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(2) Any person on the premises who is engaging in activities protected by the California Constitution or the United States Constitution.
But, I don’t see a line of folks in front of the “Test Case Wanted” window.
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In some states the silly little signs in establishments hold legal weight, not in CA.. go figure.
Some states centrally manage CCW licensure. That allows the state to make overriding conditions of use. CA distributes licensing to local LEO, so consistency of application varies.
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Some folks have suggested that the signage is the first warning, and LEOs get called immediately. Others have asserted that the issue may be moot under the provisions of CA PEN 602.1 (Trespassing)
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Some folks are wrong.. but that's ok.. I will continue to carry where the stipulations of my permit allows and not based on silly "hopey changy" signs that I may or may not even notice.
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Someone who carries concealed, should not give anybody any evidence that he's carrying. So if you are inside the Whole Foods store and carry as usual, neither an employee nor a customer should be able to detect that with any degree of certainty. A trained person may wonder, but it takes a great deal more to scream "gun!" inside a store.

Thus, *me thinks* that these signs were written by lawyers to reduce liability issues. Not even a year ago, a criminal on the run drove straight to a Trader Joe's store in Los Angeles and one of the managers got shot (don't remember by whom) in the following shootout with police. Now imagine you have a similar situation in Whole Foods, and a customer draws the gun in self-defense and shoots somebody else inside the store. It doesn't take great imagination on how many attorneys will approach the surviving spouse or family member and suggest a multi-million dollar law suit. They know that Jeff Bozo has deep pockets. In such a case, it *may* help the army of Whole Foods legal team to point out that they explicitly prohibit firearms inside their store and since they have no *right* to search customers, they can't be held responsible for that person's injury or passing. That's it. Money, money, money, like everything else in life.
The Trader Joe's Manager was shot & killed by an idiotic police officer who sprayed bullets into the crowded store's entrance.
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New since last week - Whole Foods in Napa posted signage at both doors

No Firearms on Premises.

I deleted my discount app and will avoid this place as I never want to be in a killing zone. Good luck to all the lefty shoppers.
I'm in the same camp. I don't care what they sell, if a business wants to infringe on my right to protect myself and my family, then I don't need to give them my money. There are too many other gun-friendly establishments for me to bother spending any money with those that aren't.

When I lived in California, I avoided anti-gun businesses on principle. Safeway being the main one I remember. Now that I'm here in Tx, I avoid them on principle and because signs carry legal weight.
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Take a picture of the sign

Use the same font
Make a new sign that looks the same
Robbery free zone
Shoplifting free zone

Add it under the gun free zone sign


No one will realize it is a parody and the sign might stay up for a year or three
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