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He's in Tracy...NorCal

1 in 30 does not apply for ppt
Check Tracey Rifle and Pistol. They’re the ones with the big Handgun sign out front.
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is there a local FFL here in TRACY,LIVERMORE,PLEASNTON DUBLIN AREA that accepts delivery not from a FFL I have two firearms im getting from my mother and her FFL won't ship to CA in fear of braking federal law. she lives in small town of AZ and locals there are not assuring them selfs of the laws here. and I keep reading of how it needs to be from FFL TO FFL then I see threads that say she can send it to my FFL with the proper documentations. please help
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She does not need an ffl to ship to ffl here. More fud. Where are you getting this fud from. What are the firearms and where are they coming from?

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Bruh. This is pretty much the same question and post you made here https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1475989

Just because you keep posting a new thread doesn’t mean the answers are going to change.
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California does not require the sender to be an FFL. The recipient must be an FFL for a family transfer crossing state lines.

She should include a letter stating that this is a gift from herself to her son. I have seen some California FFLs that want a copy of the sender's drivers license, but I don't know if this is a legal requirement.

Elite Arms in Tracy has done interstate intra-familial transfers before. Just be crystal clear with them that this is a cross-border transfer...not one between two Californians.
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Wow same question 3 different ways with the same answer's. Are you getting it yet?
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Here’s an idea. Just PM me the answer you want and I’ll copy and paste it on this thread as a reply so you will finally get the answer you want to hear.
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Let me try ...

Federal law requires a transfer from a resident of one state to a resident of another state go through an FFL. If the gun is a handgun, the FFL must be in the state of residence of the buyer/receiver/transferee.

No law, Federal or CA, requires that the gun come from one FFL to another. That is sometimes a business requirement of a particular FFL.

It may turn out to be convenient and cost-efficient to use an FFL to ship the gun(s). The out of state FFL would have to register with CA CFLC program, https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview, and some of those out of state FFLs don't want to do that.

And, I'll merge these threads. Basically 1 question from 1 user.
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im asking of a FFL here the will accept it. obvious not all FFL do. example SOLAR TACTIC in Livermore made it very clear to me that they will only accept from another FFL from AZ
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Check Tracey Rifle and Pistol. They’re the ones with the big Handgun sign out front.
They are gone. Now owned by Elite Armory.
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They are gone. Now owned by Elite Armory.
Didn’t know. I’m from Southern California. I just was reading the court ruling yesterday and it made me think of them.
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im asking of a FFL here the will accept it. obvious not all FFL do. example SOLAR TACTIC in Livermore made it very clear to me that they will only accept from another FFL from AZ
Ok. Not all firearms dealers are on calguns. You should google the stores in your area. Pick up the phone and call and ask them. Be sure to give them all the details. Such as you are doing TWO guns and will have to wait until day 31 to do the second. You’re doing interstate interfamily transfer. Do they know how to do it. How much will they charge you. Etc.
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To expand...since in my mind this thread has gotten a bit convoluted.
I have a customer whose son lives in another state.
Son wants to give Dad a "non-approved" handgun.

Is that possible and if so what's the process?
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Son sends firearm with copy of his ID and letter stating gift to father tp ca ffl /Father gets hsc and does dros.
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Will DROS accept an off roster/non-exempt handgun? I guess that's my real question.
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To expand...since in my mind this thread has gotten a bit convoluted.
I see one of the mods finally gave the other two threads the old yeller treatment and combined all of these.

Side note to the OP, check with the firearms dealer before you commit to sending anything to them what all their policies are. Like, will they release on an Undetermined status, whats their storage fee policy (if any) for guns left longer at their store than usual. Do they understand the process that you are trying to do. Just check up front.
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I see one of the mods finally gave the other two threads the old yeller treatment and combined all of these.

Side note to the OP, check with the firearms dealer before you commit to sending anything to them what all their policies are. Like, will they release on an Undetermined status, whats their storage fee policy (if any) for guns left longer at their store than usual. Do they understand the process that you are trying to do. Just check up front.

Sorry...should have made it clearer that I would be the receiving dealer.
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You were answered as receiving dealer. In post #54
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Too many back and forths on this thread. My bad.
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You were answered as receiving dealer. In post #54
The roster exemption needs to be noted....
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Aces, any help for Tyke on how to input this into DROS?
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Aces, any help for Tyke on how to input this into DROS?
Just gonna jump in here. The transaction type is Exempt Handgun Sale. DOJ wants you to include "interstate intra-familial transfer" in the comments box. Make copies of the out of state ID and letter stating gift and keep with DROS paperwork. That's it.

Just call the DES helpline for confirmation.
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Exempt handgun sale. We keep a record of the letter showing it was a gift with the ID it came with. Letter needs to say make model and serial for us to be sufficient enough to prove this particular gun was an interstate interfamily transfer. Other than that that’s about. It. Call us if you have a question. We do these pretty frequently it seems.
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I never thought I would have to ask; consider myself lucky, one of my offspring likes shooting sport.
Well he lives in NV and I am in CA.
He comes by every month and shoots with me.
Can I gift it to him and have him do the Nics in NV?

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I never thought I would have to ask; consider myself lucky, one of my offspring likes shooting sport.
Well he lives in NV and I am in CA.
He comes by every month and shoots with me.
Can I gift it to him and have him do the Nics in NV?

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You can gift it to him but, under federal law, it must be transferred to him through a NV FFL. You can either take the firearm to the NV FFL or ship it to the NV FFL. You would need to check to see if the NV FFL will accept the firearm shipped from a non FFL and, if not, you would need to find a local CA FFL to ship it for you. If he has a NV Concealed carry permit issued on or after July 1, 2011, he will be exempt from the NICS check but must still complete the 4473 form at the NV FFL.
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You can gift it to him but, under federal law, it must be transferred to him through a NV FFL. You can either take the firearm to the NV FFL or ship it to the NV FFL. You would need to check to see if the NV FFL will accept the firearm shipped from a non FFL and, if not, you would need to find a local CA FFL to ship it for you. If he has a NV Concealed carry permit issued on or after July 1, 2011, he will be exempt from the NICS check but must still complete the 4473 form at the NV FFL.

I am not doubting you on this, but how does that work with parking lot PPT’s since no 4473 is filed?
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I am not doubting you on this, but how does that work with parking lot PPT’s since no 4473 is filed?
One hopes neither CA nor Federal LE witness the crime.
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One hopes neither CA nor Federal LE witness the crime.
Actually, because the transfer is between a grandfather and grandson, there may not be a CA violation. I do not know how NV would treat such a transfer.
But to answer the question there is no such thing as a lawful parking lot PPT where the parties are not residents of the same state. So it does not work because it is a federal offense.
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This may be a stupid question. Can you do inter familial transfer with in-laws?
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^^^ No many posts on this they are not family in this regard. Vertically only father son, mother daughter,grandfather grandson etc . No aunts,uncles, brothers, sisters, inlaws.
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I never thought I would have to ask; consider myself lucky, one of my offspring likes shooting sport.
Well he lives in NV and I am in CA.
He comes by every month and shoots with me.
Can I gift it to him and have him do the Nics in NV?

much obliged,

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You can gift it to him but, under federal law, it must be transferred to him through a NV FFL. You can either take the firearm to the NV FFL or ship it to the NV FFL. You would need to check to see if the NV FFL will accept the firearm shipped from a non FFL and, if not, you would need to find a local CA FFL to ship it for you. If he has a NV Concealed carry permit issued on or after July 1, 2011, he will be exempt from the NICS check but must still complete the 4473 form at the NV FFL.
I am not doubting you on this, but how does that work with parking lot PPT’s since no 4473 is filed?
Federal laws prohibits the transfer of firearms between residents of different States, unless a FFL is utilized. [18 USC 922(a)(3)&(5)]
There is no intra-familial or gift exemption to the Federal laws.
Failure to utilize a FFL equates to a Federal felony for everyone involved with the transfer. [18 USC 924(a)(1)(D)]

Therefore, the firearm needs to be transferred through a NV FFL dealer.

Starting 01-02-2020, cash & carry type transfers are no longer legal in NV.
In order to be NV legal, non-exempt firearm transfers must be done through NV FFL dealer. [NRS 202.2547]
Failure to utilize a NV FFL dealer equates to first time being a gross misdemeanor and any subsequent times being a category C Felony. [NRS 202.2549]
Exemptions to this are: Transfers of antique firearms, transfers to a LE agency or a LEO, transfers between immediate family members, transfers to an admininstrator or executor of an estate upon the death of the owner of the firearms, and conditional temporary transfers (loans). [NRS 202.2548]
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Federal laws prohibits the transfer of firearms between residents of different States, unless a FFL is utilized. [18 USC 922(a)(3)&(5)]
There is no intra-familial or gift exemption to the Federal laws.
Failure to utilize a FFL equates to a Federal felony for everyone involved with the transfer. [18 USC 924(a)(1)(D)]
Is the attached form what the recipient sends to the state instead of performing a DROS?

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