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The problem is that there are 2 deadlines which have to be considered, and a lack of a signed application means it remains incomplete and uncertified.
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Nope. No receipt. And I asked about a receipt and was told that they only issue receipts if an exchange of funds takes place, and since they told me to not sign it and to not pay them any money at that time ... no receipt. I thought it was peculiar, and am now beginning to get a bit worried about my application getting "lost in the shuffle".
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My buddy works for the jail as a detention aid. He just applied for a renewal. The records clerk sent his app back to him via inter-department mail and said he needs to supply proof of employment and a letter from his supervisor. Is that stupid or what? This just happened 2 days ago.
So I would say its safe to assume that our process has not changed yet, in fact it has worsened. I also beleive that there is a lack of training in the records dept which is why some have trouble and some do not. Also, the head clerk that over saw the ccw program just retired, so it may be a while untill their process is corrected. The new Sheriff takes his office soon. Hopefully it will be rectified than. |
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Myself and several folks have seen this process and it has gone very smoothly and the deputies are polite and pleasant. The process has changed ALOT. Including most importantly "personal protection" being the only good cause required. Keep in mind the new Sheriff is just that...brand new. Sheriff D'agostini will need time to rettrain his staff in cases where they are not following the new and streamlined procedures. This SO office has been doing things one way...the wrong way for a long time. Get down to the records office and ask for an interview. Fill out the standard CAL DOJ CCW application appropriately so when you get your interview you are just reviewing it. No questions have been asked during this interview regardng cause, background, need, etc...they only seem to be making sure it is filled out accurately so it doesnt get kicked back. This is very fast and polite. Who knows, in many cases, after this, you may not be required to even get interviewed...
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Sorry for the dumb question. Is the records office mentioned above at the SO HQ in Placerville, or is it the county Public Records office? Thanks. Last edited by sacto929; 01-11-2011 at 8:04 AM.. Reason: typo |
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I returned from my application submittion appointment an hour ago... Great Experience... The EDSD was very kind and easy to do business with. Make sure to bring cash or check since they don't take CC or Debt. It costs $125.
They told me that it will be 4 weeks and that there is not a second interview, they will conduct the BG and then they will call me back to pick up my permit. Regardless if it's a requirement or not I plan on taking Socom16Fan's training course just to cover some sort of law that i may not have known and to get more comfortable with a CCW.
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That's great news. Do you happen to have a phone number to set up the appointment? |
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Submitted my renewal app today to EDSO. Was told that in 2-3 weeks they would call to set up appt to come pick up permit.
Deputy at records counter said the new sheriff is officially: (a) not requiring the 3 character letters; and (b) going to consider personal protection = good cause. Fee for renewal was $82 in cash or check only. |
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For those interested in applying, you need to schedule an appointment.
1. Call the EDSO @ (530) 621-5655 and ask for the Records Desk. They will schedule you for an appointment (right now, they're a week out, but that will increase soon...). I didn't see this until this afternoon...EDSO CCW Online Appointment Scheduler 2. At the appointment, they will take and review your DOJ application, take your picture and finger prints, and conduct an interview. As was stated before, at that appointment, they will collect a non-refundable fee of $125. I just got back to the computer after stopping in to drop off my application. The deputy did a cursory review, then scheduled me for an appointment and gave the application back to me with the information above. The deputy was very pleasant and helpful. I think that they are in the midst of rolling with the policy changes right now. I hope this helps for others in need of the info. Last edited by sacto929; 01-12-2011 at 1:05 PM.. |
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Wildhawker,
Thank you very much Wildhawker, I will tell him. As of yesterday it appears that the problems are starting to get corrected per Gray Petersons post in the 2a thread on El Dorado CCW. It may take the Dept. a while to catch up and update. I saw that today the online ccw app still shows Kollars as Sheriff and requires the 3 letters. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=383229 Last edited by Hogxtz; 01-12-2011 at 10:28 AM.. |
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Thanks for the great update.
For the first appointment, do you fill out sections 1-3 (read sections 4,5) and stop there? Do you bring your weapons to the first or second appointment? When do you take a CCW class - anytime before the second appointment? Quote:
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I filled out the whole thing minus the signatures. I figure that any notes the interviewing deputy might make will be in addition to my answers to the questions. PS--I modified my last post to include the link to the really cool online scheduler for appointments. Thanks be to Gray Petersen for his post in the main section. |
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One last thing, a big thank you is in order to Brandon, Gray and many others who I don't know, for pressing on despite the opinions or view points of the Sheriff's and Chief's of Police. This is a big fight and these guys have dedicated their time and efforts to make every county and city in California a more CCW friendly place. Thank you very much fellas!
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I now have an appointment!
Many thanks to all who provided valuable, sobering advice and encouragement about being patient and rolling with the flow of things. I called the EDSO Records Office today to ask for an (initial) appointment and was later contacted back by the Officer who originally took my application on 1/5. She was very polite and helpful; I am sure they are working very hard over there to effect the changes quickly and yet keep the process movng ... so a big thank-you to those folks at the SO. And I am now slated for an appointment next week. This is very exciting folks!
Born and raised a Californian I was CCW licensed back some time ago when I had to move to Oregon for a short time for work, and this whole process here now seems a lot closer to the "shall issue" policy Oregon had at that time. After moving back to California I have always been troubled by having had to relinquish that right. But now it seems as if, yes here in California, the acknowledgement and honoring of this same right is about to take place. Very exciting indeed! So yes, many many thanks to Gray Peterson, Brandon Combs (wildhawker), Socom16Fan, ccwtrainer, and I am sure others, for answering questions and offering assistance, and for their devotion to this cause. Thanky-you gentlemen! And also a heart-felt thank-you to Sheriff D'Agostini as well for being a true stand-up guy. Good luck to everyone, and be and stay safe. |
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Anybody have any idea about this?
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At the risk of providing a non-answer, I don't directly have any knowledge, but I suppose you could call the EDSO Records Desk and ask, or set an appointment and start the process.
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So I had my appointment today, dropped off the app, signed everything, did the fingerprints and picture. The deputy said that it would be a couple of weeks for the background check and they'd give me a call. She didn't give any indication of "the next step". Does anyone happen to know what "the next step" is these days in EDCo? I am imagining it to be the training class, but I don't know....
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Sacto99
The employees in the records dept. are not deputies, they are Sheriff's technicians (clerks). I was always under the impression that the training class for ccw required by Ca law should be completed before you apply for the ccw so when you pass the background a permit license can be issued. They didnt ask you to submit the certificate with the ccw app? |
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Appointment completed today 1/19 ...
I completed my appointment today 1/19 for initial application review/signing. Ditto what Sacto929 reported ... review & sign application, fingerprints, copies of everything (CDL, weapons receipts, etc.), and picture taken. Took about 20 minutes. I asked for and received a full-copy of my signed application. Ditto the no next steps communicated. I asked and was told that the next step would be that they would call me to inform me of my pass/fail of the BGC. I asked if when I took the required CCW training if I would have to "qualify" with ALL weapons cited on the application. Was told they didn't know the details of the "training" but didn't think I would need to qualify with EACH and ALL weapons listed, etc.
So I guess that question stands open. Since I put down 5 weapons on my application (used an attached sheet as requested on the appl.) will I have to qualify with ALL 5? Who knows THE answer?
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I believe that state statutes require the training and require qualification with each weapon on the permit. I sure want to find the PC section, but I can't seem to find it and the CGF flowchart won't open on the Macbook. All in all, I couldn't have imagined it going any smoother to this point. |
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Correct. PC 12050 only mandates that the training course include the topics of gun safety and permisible use laws. In some cases the issuing agency requires qualifications with each firearm. In this case, El Dorado S/O does not. Each instructor approved by the Sheriff dictates that little aspect of the course.
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Recieved a call back today, FBI rejected my fingerprints because of "duplicates" so I need to go back in to redo those next week.
Jamie from Records also mentioned that when they call me back after the BG check is complete I will need to complete a training course prior to the issuing of the permit. So Socom16fan, I'll be calling you very soon to setup a time for myself and my buddy. If anyone else here would be interested in a 8 hour course PM me and we can figure out a weekend for it. FYI Socom16fan, I picked up a Crossbread Super Tuck Delux for my S&W Bodyguard and will check out the others you mentioned over the phone for my P99.
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Weapons receipts? Isn't DROS check good enough?
I'm only aware that we need to bring the following to the first appt: 1) CDL 2) Completed application 3) Payment Are we required to bring other docs? Quote:
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I just completed my interview today. I only needed the app, CDL, proof of residency in the form of a bill or other? and money.
No other documentation was asked for. Here are the approved handgun courses: -See Page 3 for updated and complete list- Last edited by doubleup16; 02-02-2011 at 9:08 PM.. |
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No. As for "weapon reciepts" and proof of registration, these violate GC53071 and PC12051. The sheriff's office shouldn't be requiring them and I do not believe they are.
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When I did mine, I had copies of my AFS and Records of Ownership, but they stayed in the briefcase. Not needed....
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On 1/12 when I was called to set up my 1/19 appointment I was told that I needed to bring:
Proof of Residency - CDL Weapons Receipts Check or Cash for $125 So on 1/19 when I arrived I had all of that information. At the end of the whole appointment process I was not asked for the weapons receipts but since they had previously asked me to bring them in and I had brought them with me I asked if they were still going to need them (thinking that maybe they had forgotten and that I wouldn't want to have to come back later and bring them in again, etc.). So if I had NOT asked that then I would not have had that info photocopied. Is there some legal jeopardy I have placed myself in by having relinquished this information when I did not have to do so? They already have the weapon SN's from the application. What harm is there in also knowing when and where I purchased the weapons, and for how much? Nevertheless, I guess it does irk me that the process seems to vary from one person to the next, from day to day, and that I got "caught" by one of those "variances". I guess it'll get "cleaned up" at some point. It is what it is.
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