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Old 12-12-2019, 3:15 PM
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So we've had a lot of talk (me included) about what's wrong in America re: the Second Amendment...but we've only seen a couple of bright spots across the nation from the state of Virginia. Just talking about Virginia isn't going to create a nation wide movement. I'm looking to make contact with Second Amendment supporters who are willing to become activists.

Let's search all of Southern California to find each other. We have to start making time in our lives to not just react to the anti-gun lobby, but instead start instigating Second Amendment pro-gun events. And not just where there are already gun lovers...we have to become a presence at every Democratic and anti-gun rally and event we can find. If there is a city council meeting on "gun violence," we need to be there in large numbers that over fill the events, with the statistics and alternatives advocating our point of view.

We should NOT be carrying any firearms at any events, even if you have a CCW. That will only be used to say we are threatening people. There may come a time when we have "gun-ins" like the old 1960s "love ins" but never in anyway that can be twisted by the Dems and the MSM into looking like a threat or violent danger.

We know we out number the anti-gun movement, but we need to show that...to be as numerous and vocal as the gun haters. We need to make the politicians in this Leftist State begin to feel a real push back from those of us who fully support the Constitution of the USA, and in particular, the Second Amendment.

We don't have to reinvent the wheel...we can use all the existing technology to communicate with each other. We don't need to become over organized with levels of leadership and bureaucracy (like governments are). We just need to put out the word on events, and then commit...each and every one of us...to being there. I don't even think we need a name...we just need numbers of people. You want to carry a sign...make one.

If we find ourselves being threatened by mobs of leftists...such as Antifa or the other Marxist goon squads, we can form our own security perimeters at that time. If law enforcement doesn't provide us with the same protection it gives the leftist, we can capture that on our cell phones and flood the internet with it. We have the moral high ground so let's not do this with a chip on our shoulders...let's be smart...and let's make this a true grass roots movement.

My name is John Ireland. I live in Sherman Oaks, CA. My email is jifigcar@sbcglobal.net so contact me if this interests you. Again, lets keep it in our own geographic area so that our efforts are maximized. I'll travel all over southern California to do my part.
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...We know we out number the anti-gun movement, but we need to show that...to be as numerous and vocal as the gun haters.
Given your claim that anti's are outnumbered, what the hell has happened in California in the area of firearms over the last 20-25 years??
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Honest question: Do you think Republicans in deep red states would create laws to legalize/protect late-term abortions if a group of noisy, opinionated liberals followed them around and crashed their rallies? Do you think they would shirk off their religious beliefs so easily?

Because the left doesn't believe in God. Big government is their god, and gun control is their first commandment.
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While we may outnumber real full on anti-gun types we don't outnumber the apathetic who don't give a rat's behind about the 2A and will vote with whatever the news tell them or whichever party gives them the most freebies and that would be the anti-gun Democrats.
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Given your claim that anti's are outnumbered, what the hell has happened in California in the area of firearms over the last 20-25 years??
We are outnumbered partly because of the quitters here. People vote with their feet.
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Old 12-13-2019, 8:27 AM
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From my perspective any group MUST challenge the laws.
As soon as the SCOTUS Incorporated the 2A via the 14th in McDonald, I dont think the states any longer have a 10th Amendment right with regards to firearms as the Federal Government has now declared the 2A the law of the land.
Combine that with the dishonest narrative today of how they HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION to impeach, the same honesty would see them Not Infringing.
Yet they do.
Unfortunately, I fear what most of us hesitate to discuss openly, Progressive Socialist Democrats, want to disarm their constituents and thanks to Beto and the Virginia Governor, the goal for them is now policy. They want to and will try to confiscate our firearms. At some point they WILL meet with resistance. How did that work out for the Brits?

The group I would like to see formed is one that will show up in numbers to aid the person whos firearms are being confiscated unlawfully without due process.
Imagine 20+ armed citizens enforcing Due Process against a handful of JBTs.
Tell them to get a warrant only after a judge has heard from the accused.
Our country is going down the chitter very quickly.
Ive always thought that Nov. 20, 2020 would be the end when Donald Trump gets re elected. Perhaps 1/1/20 will usher it in more quickly.
That is why dems are in such a hurry to do this. One or two more Supreme Court justices and maybe we can get back to a government that is OF, FOR, and BY the PEOPLE, and one that is not fearful of its Constituency, where all citizens can exercise ALL of their inalienable rights.
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We are outnumbered partly because of the quitters here. People vote with their feet.
Some need to, particularly those with kids in what California calls "schools".

Californians leaving the state for far greener pastures definitely do not add up to Californians remaining who don't gaf or claim to be too busy to vote.

The old saw about those not voting have no business biatching about the government continues to be true.
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For whatever it's worth, I've found that the tweaker encampments spread out across LA and the valley, and the inhabitants of same who are all armed with hatchets and machetes (see the recent Sunset Blvd Chik-Fil-A machete rampage) are starting to scare the living s**t out of anti 2nd amendment types.

If you go on apps like citizen or nextdoor, more and more often you start to see people write things like, "I'm a lifelong liberal and I've always been against guns and I hate the NRA, but I just did the unthinkable and bought my first gun..."

So, maybe there's something to work with there
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I always used to say the fastest way to create a conservative is to mug a liberal...

The current "state" of Kommiefornia is rapidly becoming unfit for many law abiding citizens - lots of criminals running free, higher and higher costs of living (including costs rising due to criminal activity), bad legislation decreasing the quality of life...

Eventually even the most soft headed will wake up and realize that NO ONE wants to live in a 3rd world cesspool... sympathy is one thing, but at some point it hits home.
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:41 AM
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Welcome to Calguns... it's been around for nearly 18 years.

There isn't a single thing in your post that hasn't already been met, done, achieved, grasped, conquered, been there'ed-done thatted, and then done all over again during that time.

Not saying that wash, rinse, repeat is not effective, just that you should know you're late to the party.
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Old 12-14-2019, 4:31 AM
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OP, I appreciate your post. But you’re going to have a tough time rallying support on Calguns, unfortunately. There are a lot of talkers here, but this forum is dominated by runners, not fighters. You might find more success by posting flyers for meetings and events at your Southern California gun ranges and gun shops.
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Old 12-14-2019, 6:37 AM
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Keep in mind that the most active subforum on calguns is the non firearm one.
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OP lost me at "we out number them." Hah, makes me laugh again, damn.
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I grew up in LA and can count on one hand the number of people I've known that are still there. 99%+ took Snake Pliskin's advice and "Escaped From LA".

Like the Gambler says, you got to know when to hold 'um, know when to fold 'um, know when to walk away, know when to RUN!
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OP, I appreciate your post. But you’re going to have a tough time rallying support on Calguns, unfortunately. There are a lot of talkers here, but this forum is dominated by runners, not fighters. You might find more success by posting flyers for meetings and events at your Southern California gun ranges and gun shops.

Let me give you a reality check my friend: even if the 9th Circus of Appeals flips conservative, California is still a lost cause. The reason is very simple: every legislative session it takes Demsheviks and the anti-Second Amendment lobby only minutes to pass dozens and dozens of unconstitutional gun laws and it doesn't cost them a single penny. On the contrary, they get paid for it, drawing their fat salaries and benefits as State representatives. In order to fight them in Courts it takes our side enormous amounts of money spent on lawyers and years of litigation to overturn a single one of these laws. And once it's overturned (if it is overturned) the Demsheviks spring in action again and pass 20 more gun laws. As I just said, it doesn't cost them any money and there aren't any repercussions when they keep doing it. California gun owners are condemned to roll a boulder uphill forever like Sisyphus. There is no hope for any of us in this State until the Demsheviks are thrown out of power, and guess what: that will never happen. People in this State will still vote for them even if CA will go bankrupt, power blackouts will be like in communist Eastern Europe during the 80's, the unemployment will reach 75%, the gasoline will be $20 a gallon, streets and highways will be so full of holes the only to drive around will be with a 4X4 SUV, the homeless population will reach 15 million and food will be rationed like in Venezuela. Just look at Detroit, after decades of Demshevik administration and 3 consecutive Democrat mayors thrown in prison for corruption and brivery, the city is literally a gangland in ruins, 3/4 of its buildings and homes are abandoned, unemployment is the highest in the US... yet the people who still survive in it would never even contemplate to vote for a Republican administration.
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Let me give you a reality check my friend: even if the 9th Circus of Appeals flips conservative, California is still a lost cause. The reason is very simple: every legislative session it takes Demsheviks and the anti-Second Amendment lobby only minutes to pass dozens and dozens of unconstitutional gun laws and it doesn't cost them a single penny. On the contrary, they get paid for it, drawing their fat salaries and benefits as State representatives. In order to fight them in Courts it takes our side enormous amounts of money spent on lawyers and years of litigation to overturn a single one of these laws. And once it's overturned (if it is overturned) the Demsheviks spring in action again and pass 20 more gun laws. As I just said, it doesn't cost them any money and there aren't any repercussions when they keep doing it. California gun owners are condemned to roll a boulder uphill forever like Sisyphus. There is no hope for any of us in this State until the Demsheviks are thrown out of power, and guess what: that will never happen. People in this State will still vote for them even if CA will go bankrupt, power blackouts will be like in communist Eastern Europe during the 80's, the unemployment will reach 75%, the gasoline will be $20 a gallon, streets and highways will be so full of holes the only to drive around will be with a 4X4 SUV, the homeless population will reach 15 million and food will be rationed like in Venezuela. Just look at Detroit, after decades of Demshevik administration and 3 consecutive Democrat mayors thrown in prison for corruption and brivery, the city is literally a gangland in ruins, 3/4 of its buildings and homes are abandoned, unemployment is the highest in the US... yet the people who still survive in it would never even contemplate to vote for a Republican administration.
You seem like a "glass half empty" kind of guy.
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Hey OP, have you reached out to San Diego County Gun Owners Association?
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You seem like a "glass half empty" kind of guy.
I prefer being called a realist.
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So we've had a lot of talk (me included) about what's wrong in America re: the Second Amendment...but we've only seen a couple of bright spots across the nation from the state of Virginia. Just talking about Virginia isn't going to create a nation wide movement. I'm looking to make contact with Second Amendment supporters who are willing to become activists.

Let's search all of Southern California to find each other. We have to start making time in our lives to not just react to the anti-gun lobby, but instead start instigating Second Amendment pro-gun events. And not just where there are already gun lovers...we have to become a presence at every Democratic and anti-gun rally and event we can find. If there is a city council meeting on "gun violence," we need to be there in large numbers that over fill the events, with the statistics and alternatives advocating our point of view.

We should NOT be carrying any firearms at any events, even if you have a CCW. That will only be used to say we are threatening people. There may come a time when we have "gun-ins" like the old 1960s "love ins" but never in anyway that can be twisted by the Dems and the MSM into looking like a threat or violent danger.

We know we out number the anti-gun movement, but we need to show that...to be as numerous and vocal as the gun haters. We need to make the politicians in this Leftist State begin to feel a real push back from those of us who fully support the Constitution of the USA, and in particular, the Second Amendment.

We don't have to reinvent the wheel...we can use all the existing technology to communicate with each other. We don't need to become over organized with levels of leadership and bureaucracy (like governments are). We just need to put out the word on events, and then commit...each and every one of us...to being there. I don't even think we need a name...we just need numbers of people. You want to carry a sign...make one.

If we find ourselves being threatened by mobs of leftists...such as Antifa or the other Marxist goon squads, we can form our own security perimeters at that time. If law enforcement doesn't provide us with the same protection it gives the leftist, we can capture that on our cell phones and flood the internet with it. We have the moral high ground so let's not do this with a chip on our shoulders...let's be smart...and let's make this a true grass roots movement.

My name is John Ireland. I live in Sherman Oaks, CA. My email is jifigcar@sbcglobal.net so contact me if this interests you. Again, lets keep it in our own geographic area so that our efforts are maximized. I'll travel all over southern California to do my part.
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Honest question: Do you think Republicans in deep red states would create laws to legalize/protect late-term abortions if a group of noisy, opinionated liberals followed them around and crashed their rallies? Do you think they would shirk off their religious beliefs so easily?

Because the left doesn't believe in God. Big government is their god, and gun control is their first commandment.
I am tired of people that want to check all the boxes to fit some mold. I am ATHEIST and I am pro 2A!!! Why? I've been under communism! On the abortion issue, ever heard of Don't thread on me?

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Let me give you a reality check my friend: even if the 9th Circus of Appeals flips conservative, California is still a lost cause. The reason is very simple: every legislative session it takes Demsheviks and the anti-Second Amendment lobby only minutes to pass dozens and dozens of unconstitutional gun laws and it doesn't cost them a single penny. On the contrary, they get paid for it, drawing their fat salaries and benefits as State representatives. In order to fight them in Courts it takes our side enormous amounts of money spent on lawyers and years of litigation to overturn a single one of these laws. And once it's overturned (if it is overturned) the Demsheviks spring in action again and pass 20 more gun laws. As I just said, it doesn't cost them any money and there aren't any repercussions when they keep doing it. California gun owners are condemned to roll a boulder uphill forever like Sisyphus. There is no hope for any of us in this State until the Demsheviks are thrown out of power, and guess what: that will never happen. People in this State will still vote for them even if CA will go bankrupt, power blackouts will be like in communist Eastern Europe during the 80's, the unemployment will reach 75%, the gasoline will be $20 a gallon, streets and highways will be so full of holes the only to drive around will be with a 4X4 SUV, the homeless population will reach 15 million and food will be rationed like in Venezuela. Just look at Detroit, after decades of Demshevik administration and 3 consecutive Democrat mayors thrown in prison for corruption and brivery, the city is literally a gangland in ruins, 3/4 of its buildings and homes are abandoned, unemployment is the highest in the US... yet the people who still survive in it would never even contemplate to vote for a Republican administration.
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Great idea and I am willing to support here in Orange County.
So that makes only 2 of us.
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I am tired of people that want to check all the boxes to fit some mold. I am ATHEIST and I am pro 2A!!! Why? I've been under communism! On the abortion issue, ever heard of Don't thread on me?
Some of the Founding Fathers were atheists and agnostics, and they helped draft the 2nd Amendment..

OT, abortion once again and imagine that...

You need to visit an abortion clinic and attempt to watch a few. Wife professionally counsels women for all kinds of reasons. She reports without exception that those who've had abortions never ever forget, and the majority have issues a decade or three later. The Communism you claim to have been under has no issues with abortion, anywhere in the world.

Logic seems to be failing just bit.
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Some of the Founding Fathers were atheists and agnostics, and they helped draft the 2nd Amendment..

OT, abortion once again and imagine that...

You need to visit an abortion clinic and attempt to watch a few. Wife professionally counsels women for all kinds of reasons. She reports without exception that those who've had abortions never ever forget, and the majority have issues a decade or three later. The Communism you claim to have been under has no issues with abortion, anywhere in the world.

Logic seems to be failing just bit.
Look up Decree 770, and again its not logic, is opinion, and I am inclined to think your wife is a counselor for a church and that in its self is bias.

Again you do what you want, but do not impose on others you logic or opinion, Don't thread on me is very valid on this one!
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So lets cut to the chase. So I'm right here in Los Angeles. January 20th is a Monday. Lie and take the day off from work, cut class, give up your golf date...whatever it takes. I can't speak for other people in other cities but those of us in Los Angeles California can do something here to show our support for the VCDL and their rally on the same day. We just need the courage to show up. If our turn out is small, so be it. Christ started with just 12...and he didn't give up.

If you are a defeatist and have already given up, so be it.

We don't need to contact the media...they would just make fun of us. We all have smart phones and we can all post our own images in the internet. So I am arbitrarily saying the Los Angeles Rally will be at 12 noon, Monday January 20th in front of the US Federal Building at 11000 Wilshire Blvd. in Westwood section of Los Angeles, CA 90024. Lots of parking all over the area. If you want to wave a sign, make your own one up. If you want to wave with a flag, make it the American one. This is not an exercise in open carry, nor a gun show and tell. It is to simply declare support for the Second Amendment, and the citizens of Virginia who are taking a stand against unconstitutional actions by the state government of Virginia.

The agenda will be simple. We will start with the Pledge of Allegiance, then we will sing the National Anthem (those who can't sing, just recite the words along with us), then we will all take turns reading the Second Amendment out loud. We will read it slowly...so the words are clear and sink in. After that, each and every person who wants to say a few words will be welcome to. Nothing fancier than that. Again, lets not invite the hostile media...we can take our own pictures and post them online ourselves.

No matter how many show up, we can not be considered a failure. If you think the future of this country is important, if you think it is worth saving, if you love this country...then make the effort and show up. Let's not talk about it, lets make it happen.
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I like it - good plan. Keep this on the radar... I’m in.

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Look up Decree 770, and again its not logic, is opinion, and I am inclined to think your wife is a counselor for a church and that in its self is bias.

Again you do what you want, but do not impose on others you logic or opinion, Don't thread on me is very valid on this one!
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Look up Decree 770, and again its not logic, is opinion, and I am inclined to think your wife is a counselor for a church and that in its self is bias.

Again you do what you want, but do not impose on others you logic or opinion, Don't thread on me is very valid on this one!
Wife works for herself and her counseling is not church related.
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Mr. Ireland, I don't live in LA but was wondering if having a "rally" in front of the Federal building might require a permit.

I truly don't know and what are the ramifications of having a rally unpermitted?

It may be a moot point, just asking.

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Mr. Ireland, I don't live in LA but was wondering if having a "rally" in front of the Federal building might require a permit.

I truly don't know and what are the ramifications of having a rally unpermitted?

It may be a moot point, just asking.

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As far as I'm concerned we are just a bunch of private citizens showing up at a public building and holding a spontaneous gathering in support of our fellow citizens in Virginia. How long does it take to say the Pledge of Allegiance, sing the National Anthem, and receipt the Second Amendment. We are not there to deny anyone access or infringe on anybody else's rights, we are just exercising our freedom of assembly and free speech. We don't need to talk this to death, we just need to make a commitment to our country to get together on January 20th at 12 noon. If it is too far away for someone, they can start this same even on this same day in their own communities. Let's just do it for America. If you love this country, show it and be there.
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I am tired of people that want to check all the boxes to fit some mold. I am ATHEIST and I am pro 2A!!! Why? I've been under communism! On the abortion issue, ever heard of Don't thread on me?
how sad is that the people of this country want Communism and Socialism yet never lived under it. It has to make your head spin in disbelief. The country that is a symbol of freedom is looking to the symbol of tyranny.

Yet none of these leftists have ever lived under a Communist government or Socialist. But will dismiss any mention of what California is doing is not Socialism. I call BS on that one.
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If you love this country, show it and be there.
Sir, I've been engaged in this "battle" since the early 80's; so yes I love my country. Being arrested for unlawful assemblage doesn't help anyone.

Different cities have varying views/laws on assembly on public property, hence the question. I know nothing of your area in that regard.

I support what you are attempting and I wish you the best in your endeavor.

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I'm going to keep pushing this until we get it done. On Monday Jan. 20 at 12 noon, there will be a spontaneous gathering of patriots who want to show their support for the VCDL Rally in Virginia on this same date. We will "gather" in front of the US Federal Building at 11000 Wilshire Blvd., in Westwood...that's Los Angeles 90024. The meeting will be short and sweet. We will start with the Pledge of Allegiance, sing the National Anthem, and read aloud the Second Amendment. After that any and all who wish to say something may speak. This is a simple use of our First Amendment right to defend our Second Amendment right. However it is important to realize that we are in a war to save America. What inspired me is this young woman's speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kigs...ature=youtu.be
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Welcome newbie!

A lot has improved in CA in the past 10 years re. CCWs





Our biggest win to date was Sheriff Gore liberalizing issuance ~2.5 years ago, going from ~375 CCWs then to ~3,700 today. Our most recent win was Sheriff Essick taking office in Sonoma Co, taking it from Dark Red to Dark Green. Over half CA's population now live in green counties and we've got >120,000 CCWers in the state! We hope for more wins at the county level as we await judicial relief from SCOTUS and/or CA9 sometime before 2021 July 01.

IMO, the best thing you can do is get in touch with San Diego Co Gun Owners PAC, sit at their feet for awhile learning what they did, what worked and what didn't for them, and then trying to do that for LA Co.
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Another thing you (or a pro CCW LACo group) can do (I live in NorCal) is find out all the "incorporated" cities in LA Co (check Wiki) that have their own PDs (vs using the sheriff for police) and that issue CCWs. Find out their Good Cause (GC) standard and get more people to apply (and try to get the Chief to liberalize issuance).

IIRC, there are about a half dozen that issue: Torrance, Glendale and/or Glendora, LAPD (but they're trying to get out of the Aseenza (sp?) agreement).

Spend some time in the CCW Discussion forum searching there.

CGN member (and CA CCW GC map producer) baggss may have more info, so PM him too.
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