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I am curious about the Sen. Chase posting. If it is true, what is to stop this from happening country wide if things have been in motion for the timeframe she has posted?
For people w/o a fakebook acct, Sadly, I am posting this, knowing that the Governor of Virginia has declared a State of Emergency in our state. I want you to be aware of how we are being set up. Does the Patriot Act ring a bell? Does the National Defense Authorization Act ring a bell? If people show up wearing any kind of uniform, patch or other symbol on their clothing signifying they belong to a militia and something goes wrong, you could/will be held as a domestic terrorist. If anyone steps out of line, all it takes is one person, it may even be a government plant....if that plant does anything to disrupt the rally, you could/will be arrested as a domestic terrorist. The Governor, using the media has already set the stage for this to happen. He has already laid the groundwork to make the entire movement look like insurrection. It will be used to put the rest of the nation on notice of what will happen to you, if you resist. They have used the Southern Poverty Law Center over the last 15 years to lay the groundwork. They have labeled us as potential domestic terrorist for a long time now. Anyone who has ever related to the 3%er's, a militia, or just belonged to any Patriot group...the groundwork has been laid to brand you as a domestic terrorist. They have gone out of their way since the Obama years to insure they had us labeled, but it didn't start with Obama. It started with the Patriot Act under the Bush administration. We are being played by a well oiled machine, these things have been in the works for many years. They are kicking things into high gear. Military veterans were/are even listed as potential domestic terrorist. We were told not once, but several times by the current President, “It's Not Me they are after, It's You, The American People.“ Their actions over the last three years have shown you he was right, they are coming after us full speed ahead and they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Sic semper tyrannis, keep your head on a swivel and know what's going on around you at all times, at Lobby Day 1/20/20. Everyone be safe out there....Thus always to tyrants.
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This "reporter" has already filed his story for tomorrow, apparently.
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/...50265736482816 Last edited by Mushin; 01-19-2020 at 3:22 PM.. Reason: Image added. |
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We need to give VCDL the ten thousand they need, unarmed, to go inside the fence, and we need to give them the 30 to 50 thousand armed citizens who will stay outside the fence. Doing this is not caving in. Consider it a white truce flag moment...we all meet on common ground...we listen to each other. This is the state's chance to show good faith. If they move against the ten thousand or allow a fascist group like Antifa to attack them, that is when the 30 to 50 thousand armed citizens can use the Second Amendment to come to the aid of their fellow citizens.
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2) Because when one group adopts a set of tactics, they forever prevent anyone else from using those tactics. It's like a lifetime patent. Quote:
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Gun control is part of the vast right-wing conspiracy? You've totally lost me. Is it your contention that Northam is a DINO? (Do those even exist?) Quote:
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Good catch. They've been called out on their tactics so they're doubling down. That way when it leaks that the dude in a swastica armband takes classes at UCB in postmodernist literature, the left can say "see! We told you they'd blame it on a false flag", when in reality, IT IS
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Northam is credited with siting all the violent threats, calls for violence... oh, those violent people who want to bring guns. Then they say that people want 'proof' of such threats; i.e., a little 'transparency.' In response, the reporter posts... Quote:
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This is why many of us grow exasperated with what some term "hollow rhetoric." It's not about sitting down among a group of like minds, telling each other how smart we are, how stupid the opposition is, reinforcing our own perceptions about what is "legal" and what is not; all the while lamenting over how we think things should be. That may be 'comforting' - for the moment. But, it does little to address the problem. We are deficient in not only our actual reach to the public in terms of how we are presented, but we are, once again, ineffective in terms of educating the public as to not only our rights, but their's and how infringement on our rights is, de facto and inevitably, infringement upon their's. It's something I noted early on after joining this site and it's something which underlies my repeated references to what "they" are saying. Too often we simply dismiss polls, deride what "they" say as nonsensical and idiotic, ignore that "our side" shares similar foibles of illogic or myopic perceptions (not to mention arrogant and very public self-abuse of the gun community over differences among ourselves), and shaming/bullying of people who are actually pro-2nd Amendment, but have different opinions regarding the appropriate way to promote the rights protected under it. (I'm not talking about those who claim to be pro-gun, then seem to support Government infringements; but, those who push for different methods or different organizations or don't feel that donating $X or joining "Y" organizations are the only litmus tests, not to mention the primary means of success in the proselytizing, of "true" gun ownership.) Quote:
THAT becomes the real issue and question at hand. How do we unwind the false and often nonsensical narrative/propaganda being continuously foisted on the public. Is it rallies? Is it symbolic political statements such as Sanctuary Counties, which ultimately have little, effective impact on the potential force of law? Is it 'screaming' on an Internet site which, by definition, intent, and effect, is predominantly preaching to similar minded individuals? I asked something similar after the Parkland shooting; but, the question remains valid. How do we turn the public narrative around in a manner similar to what we do on this site on a regular basis? We observe, document, and unspin the nonsensical and irrational narratives on this site. It's one of the things that has been (or used to be) a real strength of Calguns - information. Yet, we, as well as other pro-gun advocates, can't seem to get that message out and, worse, often feed the opposing narrative with the rhetoric we do put out there. If we think it is irrelevant and/or useless to 'help' journalists by sharing our expertise and giving them access to accurate information, if we've given up on the media ever covering things more 'objectively,' if we simply write-off much of 'social media' as being 'against us' and actively 'censoring' our message, if the NRA is seen too negatively by the general public (not to mention many members/former members), if 'keeping our heads down and riding it out' has or has not effectively worked before... How do you propose we survive the public perceptions created by all the misleading, inaccurate, and agenda-driven narratives if we don't get our message out there? I think we're getting beyond 'riding it out;' particularly given the spate of anti-gun legislation and movements being made by even Republicans recently, the corporate machinations, et al. But, I'm not sure that rallies such as the one slated for tomorrow are effective for, as we are seeing, they are turned against us in the media (and all it takes is a single, bad actor or provocateur to reinforce that narrative/perception). Likewise, simply throwing dollars at select organizations, then challenging others, who don't necessarily have the finances to drop $XXXX at Walmart due to an ammo sale or seek help in selecting between a couple of $3,000 firearms or lament the 1-in-30 purchase limitations due to the fact that they may only be able to afford 1/year, etc. may be a 'comfort' in terms of reinforcing our achieved affluence, but is just as likely (maybe more likely) to create the wrong kinds of feelings among those we need as allies. Might we be better off focusing on local and State politics/media and let the NRA (or whomever) take care of the 'national' level politicians/media? Is personal interaction (take someone shooting, confronting poll takers, and similar) truly effective in the grand scheme of things? Is it the best method of building a true, grassroots effort? More importantly, if it is a good means to our desired ends, are we making the most effective use of it or are we sending 'mixed signals' to those we are attempting to recruit by pushing personal agenda with it rather than allowing them to come to their own understanding through experience they currently lack? Or... At this point... Are we simply relegated to seeing the Bill of Rights further and further infringed in the interest of Government being seen as 'doing something' about the common elements emerging in the media, in Government (at all levels), in our own inability to grasp that what we can't believe will happen is, in fact, happening and the best we can hope for is delaying the 'inevitable?' Last edited by TrappedinCalifornia; 01-19-2020 at 6:08 PM.. |
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In the immediate, short term, we're most likely to lose. As I said in my ealier post... Quote:
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Hope not....but maybe that is what needs to happen
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The ever-patriotic ADL has a whole page on that.
I really hope everyone who is considering going to thing tomorrow, doesn't. Nothing good for us will come out of it. At best, the media will use that event to connect the NRA and Trump with white nationalism and they will try to make that as big an issue as possible in the election.
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You posed some great questions in that follow-up.... it gave me something substantial to chew on. |
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More alternate reality feeding the narrative brought to you by "We are not anti-gun" leader Shannon Watts - As Extremists Plan To Rally In Virginia, Activists Are Changing America’s Deadly Gun Culture — & Winning
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Okay. Got it. What was that about our not controlling the narrative? Last edited by TrappedinCalifornia; 01-20-2020 at 3:35 AM.. |
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We have. It had no effect. Even the media wouldn't cover it truthfully.
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I have been there for 3 of them. Including the largest one post Sandy Hook when it was really going down. 500 ppl at most.
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Everything was good and we need more of that for better turnout in November. |
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CNN covered two different shootings right before switching over to VA rally coverage. They left the headline from one of the shootings up...
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Not 10K or 20K, but 3.5K.
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California is 163,696 sq. miles in size, with nearly 40 million people.
Virginia is 42,775 sq. miles in size, with a population of 8.5 million people. It takes considerably more effort (and expense) to get from Los Angeles, San Diego, Bakersfield, etc. to Sacramento than it does to get from Roanoke or Charlottesville or Lynchburg to Richmond. A rally in Richmond is equivalent to a daily commute for many here if you live in Virginia. A rally in Sacramento is, at least, an overnight stay for most/many in California. Add to this the fact that, regardless of how many show, with a Democrat supermajority as well as a State Supreme Court and the 9th Circuit on their side, the politicians in Sacramento will largely continue to ignore the grievances presented at the rally. Thus, it might be understandable that not as many 'show up.' That's without even addressing the fact that Virginia still has a clear chance to make changes; now or in the near future. What have our chances in California proven to be? What percentage of the electorate voted FOR Proposition 63 and FOR Newsom? As of 2016, there were 18.2 million registered voters in California. In 2016, 8.66 million voted FOR Prop 63; 63.8% of the actual votes cast and a little under half of the number of registered voters. In 2018, Newsom received 7.7 million votes; 61.9% of the votes cast and, again, not quite half of all registered voters in the State. The numbers on "our side" were considerably lower. What those desirous of rallies and lamenting lack of attendance have to answer is: "What will it actually accomplish to make the effort and expense worth it?" Feeling 'good' about doing something while actually accomplishing little or nothing does not an incentive make, for the most part. That's not resignation or defeatism. That's a case of rally proponents not appearing to offer any 'value' in participation; then blaming others for rallies not being attended. If you want it, make it meaningful or 'sell' it as something worthwhile. Don't simply 'expect' people to take time off work, fork out the expense money, and 'patriotically' attend to no purpose. Last edited by TrappedinCalifornia; 01-20-2020 at 1:26 PM.. |
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I attended a Ron Paul rally in 2012 with about that number. The energy was amazing. Of course, it wasn't a "2A rally", but I'm sure most of the people there were pro-2A. It would have given us a 4 year head-start on retaking the courts.
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Some great pictures and video here https://www.richmond.com/news/local/...d0965655f.html
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This rally has changed my mind about gun rights demonstrators being armed or not.
Previously I was operating under the doctrines of MLK Jr. and Ghandi and Tiananmen Square that unarmed protest is better optics, BUT if we have learned anything from this rally and prior right-wing rallies, it's that if the non-leftists are unarmed, then far-left agitators will show up en masse and will physically attack the non-leftists AND the police will step aside and allow the left to rampage while mostly arresting just the non-left who fight back AND THEN the non-leftists will be blamed for the violence. But in this case, it's clear that the far-left didn't show up to fight because they have at least a bare minimum sense of self-preservation. As a result, there was little to no property damage or violence. Put another way, Antifa and the leftist media have pretty much guaranteed that there will be bad optics if any conservatives rally unarmed, therefore the only remaining option is to rally heavily-armed and well-organized thus ensuring that no leftists show up to start trouble in the first place. Last edited by dchang0; 01-20-2020 at 5:06 PM.. |
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More pictures and video at Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gun-rally.html They show more of the armed protesters that were outside the cordon. |
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Can't remember the case name. |
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What’s next for Virginia? Was the point made?
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What is next for Virginia? Will the Governor and his comrades back down? I don’t put much faith in the Rats backing down. The laws will be nullified by the lack of enforcement by the LEO outside of Richmond. Unlike some of the political boot lickers we have here in Commiefornia, the majority of LEO in Virginia seem to understand their jobs to protect and defend the Constitution. A2 |
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Will be interesting. Pretty sure gunshops will follow the laws immediately. The sherriffs have been told to follow state law or else.. The or else would mean removal from office and prosecution. The question becomes how will their state DOJ equivalent know if a county isn't following the law.
The state has threatened the Guard... All pro 2A AND anti 2A eyes will on the Virginia proving ground. |
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The angry white gun owner narrative is strong with these Daily Mail images. The ones I’ve seen, only feature armed individuals exclusively as whites. While other have uploaded photos uploaded images of various races. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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what I'm going to do about this? Nothing! Because if I take it to small claims court, it will just drain eight hours out of my life and you probably won't show up, and even if I got the judgment you'd just stiff me anyway. So what I'm gonna do is piss and moan like an impotent jerk and then bend over and take it up the tailpipe!"
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Will be interesting to see what happens next. |
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/s, if that is not obvious. Last edited by ngnrnlo; 01-20-2020 at 8:05 PM.. |
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