LASD revokes permit of guy who defended family... for "yelling"

[4SUPER9]

Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

Define ?rapid path?

Excellent question. LASD's definition of rapid is surely not mine.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by 4SUPER9

Excellent question. LASD's definition of rapid is surely not mine.

I'm sure they will lump a ton of superlatives on top of their processing like expedited, fast-track along with reduced, discounted permit fees and training costs and other buzz words like transparent and vision and synergy and all that crap.

LASD had the option to NOT throw the book at him and revoke his license. LASD made the sole decision to step into this crap. Now they're trying to backpedal and save face. Morons.

[NorCalBusa]

Originally Posted by XDJYo

I'm sure they will lump a ton of superlatives on top of their processing like expedited, fast-track along with reduced, discounted permit fees and training costs and other buzz words like transparent and vision and synergy and all that crap.

LASD had the option to NOT throw the book at him and revoke his license. LASD made the sole decision to step into this crap. Now they're trying to backpedal and save face. Morons.

You left out, "...and we're working very hard..."

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by NorCalBusa

You left out, "...and we're working very hard..."

You're right, my mistake. Also something LASD WOULDN'T say.

[Avocado Toast]

@ Rust,

I never said, hinted or intimated that. Not close. If I wanted to say that, I would have.

Let me be clearer - If you have a Ring camera or similar, it's recording stuff whenever there's movement, based on your settings. It could be recording everything or it only records on movement. Take your pick.

If this is Ricci's house, he controls the cameras and the content of whatever was recorded. LAPD or LASD doesn't own it and they can't forcibly take the contents without his agreement or a warrant.

The little bit of footage that was on the news is the key. Did Ricci turn all of it over the the news station KTLA or did Ricci only release the selected (and favorable) portions when the balance would give everyone some better context?

Did he give everything to LASD and that's what got him in trouble? No one knows but I found it somewhat intriguing that since Ricci ran right to the press to share how he was wronged, he's kind of gone silent.

People who think the snippet of video tells the entire story of how he was attacked and then later he yelled at LAPD, and his permit was yanked, are grasping at reasons to support him and hate on the cops.

I can massage the facts one way and then the other way but all of us, every single one of us, is getting our info second hand or just basing beliefs on a few seconds of video.

Ricci knows what happened beyond the video and his movements too and he's not talking. In my experience, if you've been wronged, you have a fire in your belly to get the story straight and do so with passion. I don't see much of that in him. He's not sharing his info with a firmness of conviction.

[Avocado Toast]

Originally Posted by XDJYo

New here eh? 10 posts and 8 of them in this thread. Oh, and you're an attorney. Enjoy your stay here.

Hi Babe,

This is why we're such a great couple. You get me.

[mossy]

I'm confused, what exactly was he yelling at cops about and why didn't he have a lawyer do the talking?

[4SUPER9]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

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Did he give everything to LASD and that's what got him in trouble? No one knows but I found it somewhat intriguing that since Ricci ran right to the press to share how he was wronged, he's kind of gone silent.

It seems that the LASD is working with him to get his CCW back. If I were him, I would shut up too until that has been completed, then speak up. Don't rock the boat.

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

People who think the snippet of video tells the entire story of how he was attacked and then later he yelled at LAPD, and his permit was yanked, are grasping at reasons to support him and hate on the cops.

I can massage the facts one way and then the other way but all of us, every single one of us, is getting our info second hand or just basing beliefs on a few seconds of video.

Right. NONE of us know what happened. This is brand spanking new. We are all guessing.

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

Ricci knows what happened beyond the video and his movements too and he's not talking. In my experience, if you've been wronged, you have a fire in your belly to get the story straight and do so with passion. I don't see much of that in him. He's not sharing his info with a firmness of conviction.

Again, see above. Besides, if you are involved in a shooting, no matter how justified, first rule is STFU! Speak to your attorney and only your attorney. The fact that he spoke at all was just plain stupid.

[Dan_Eastvale]

Originally Posted by mossy

I'm confused, what exactly was he yelling at cops about and why didn't he have a lawyer do the talking?

All in the OP..

Yelling was certainly justified..

[Avocado Toast]

Originally Posted by 4SUPER9

It seems that the LASD is working with him to get his CCW back. If I were him, I would shut up too until that has been completed, then speak up. Don't rock the boat.

Right. NONE of us know what happened. This is brand spanking new. We are all guessing.

Again, see above. Besides, if you are involved in a shooting, no matter how justified, first rule is STFU! Speak to your attorney and only your attorney. The fact that he spoke at all was just plain stupid.

In my view, I'd tell the cops that you were attacked, felt fearful, point out the evidence and then STFU. I wouldn't be an *** about it and I'd say that I'm happy to help with their investigation once I've had an opportunity to speak to my attorney and he can handle the interaction from there.

[4SUPER9]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

In my view, I'd tell the cops that you were attacked, felt fearful, point out the evidence and then STFU. I wouldn't be an *** about it and I'd say that I'm happy to help with their investigation once I've had an opportunity to speak to my attorney and he can handle the interaction from there.

Exactly. And as far as getting his CCW back, anything he says to complain about the LASD will not help him get it back faster. Now, others speaking on his behalf (news agencies) may help.

[eho0925]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

In my view, I'd tell the cops that you were attacked, felt fearful, point out the evidence and then STFU. I wouldn't be an *** about it and I'd say that I'm happy to help with their investigation once I've had an opportunity to speak to my attorney and he can handle the interaction from there.

Nah too much info actually WAY too much info you?re asking people to speak more to LE post incident than they really should come bro you know better

[mossy]

Originally Posted by Dan_Eastvale

All in the OP..

no its not... all the info I could find says he yelled at cops when they showed up to continue the investigation.........what did he say, why did he get agitated and think yelling will help, why didn't he get a f***in lawyer, why was he even talking to police without a lawyer.

[freedomweek]

LAPD and LASD are made up of humans. They should be thanking Ricci for scaring the bejeezus out of armed criminals that would be otherwise making life tougher for LEO.

We need a Texas style handshake between LEO and CCW holders. LASD and LAPD are not holding up their end of the bargain.

[S.A.]

Originally Posted by freedomweek

LAPD and LASD are made up of humans. They should be thanking Ricci for scaring the bejeezus out of armed criminals that would be otherwise making life tougher for LEO.

We need a Texas style handshake between LEO and CCW holders. LASD and LAPD are not holding up their end of the bargain.

Yeah! like the cops in Uvalde?

[Avocado Toast]

Originally Posted by S.A.

Yeah! like the cops in Uvalde?

What does that mean? Explain it because you're jumping around between two different events that have no similarities or common facts. Please share your thought process. You have some proof that the Ulvade cops are anti-CCW?

You can't tie all unrelated events into your hatred for cops.

[Ca2AZ]

His CCW has not been permanently revoked, it has been suspended while LASD conducts their investigation of the shooting, and ensures he was in compliance with all of their policies. It is similar to when a LEO is involved in a shooting and they are placed on admin leave. He will be getting his CCW back.

[4SUPER9]

Originally Posted by Ca2AZ

His CCW has not been permanently revoked, it has been suspended while LASD conducts their investigation of the shooting, and ensures he was in compliance with all of their policies. It is similar to when a LEO is involved in a shooting and they are placed on admin leave. He will be getting his CCW back.

^^ This sounds plausible. At least, I hope this is the scenario.

[ca194216]

Originally Posted by Ca2AZ

His CCW has not been permanently revoked, it has been suspended while LASD conducts their investigation of the shooting, and ensures he was in compliance with all of their policies. It is similar to when a LEO is involved in a shooting and they are placed on admin leave. He will be getting his CCW back.

This actually sounds like what is happening.

[DB>]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

I'm going to give them a pass on the dismemberment incident. For all they knew, a local restaurant might have had "Kung Pao" night.

The BEST interpretation is that they simply blew off reports from "illegal aliens" who tried to report bags filled with body parts... sorry no Kung Pao for you!

There has been no explaination as to why 3 days passed before the police showed up to follow up, and didn't even bother to do a basic crime scene investigation - not sure if the implication that they took that long to respond to the call is correct, but it certainly should be a reminder why YOU are your own "first responder".

I'll be the first to say that LEO's are overworked, have to deal with all sorts of things that might get them killed on a daily basis, and don't deserve much of the crap they put up with. But just had an exchange on another forum where the self proclaimed cop was very anti-2A (and FPC) and suggested that cops just shouldn't "show up" to a crime scene... sort of like Uvalde where around 400 "first responders" showed up and stood around while kids were calling 911 begging for help... and Parkland where 2 guys who stepped up and went in were disciplined for doing so...

Ricci was in a literal "kill box", exchanging live rounds with multiple perps.... if anyone deserves some "slack" here, I'd vote it's him.... he followed Mossad (Israeli air marshalls specifically) style tactics, charging and firing until the threat was cleared. Many reasonably trained CCW holders would likely do the same.

[4SUPER9]

Here is an NRA promotional video starring Ricci. In it, he specifically states the suspension is “temporary”.
https://youtu.be/KW713b99hVY?si=WWXzmTY4RCjZaj43

[riderr]

Originally Posted by Ca2AZ

His CCW has not been permanently revoked, it has been suspended while LASD conducts their investigation of the shooting, and ensures he was in compliance with all of their policies. It is similar to when a LEO is involved in a shooting and they are placed on admin leave. He will be getting his CCW back.

Is LASD conducting the investigation? I thought it was LAPD. Regardless, he's not guilty till proven in the court, no? Why would they revoke from the innocent person, when he needs it the most? Or did LAPD hire private security for him? The decision is very illogical. It will be much better if they focused on catching the thugs. Then again, it means they would have to do the real work in the streets. Hmm, it's much safer to press Ricci, instead.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by riderr

Is LASD conducting the investigation? I thought it was LAPD. Regardless, he's not guilty till proven in the court, no? Why would they revoke from the innocent person, when he needs it the most? Or did LAPD hire private security for him? The decision is very illogical. It will be much better if they focused on catching the thugs. Then again, it means they would have to do the real work in the streets. Hmm, it's much safer to press Ricci, instead.

Whether LASD or LAPD, it sounds like some BS they're pulling.

I sincerely doubt they're only suspending his license while they investigate the shooting. 99% of what they need to know is on video tape and is easily found on the YouTubes. They also sent officers to investigate (sloppily) 3 days after the fact. They showed zero incentive to find the perps. Why on earth would they take away his license so they could investigate?

WHY? Cuz, they're idiots.

[Rustlin’ Jack]

Originally Posted by XDJYo

They also sent officers to investigate (sloppily) 3 days after the fact. They showed zero incentive to find the perps. Why on earth would they take away his license so they could investigate?

The statement that LAPD did not respond for three days needs to be clarified by LAPD. If anyone knows what transpired immediately after the incident, I would like to have it explained.

I don?t know how LAPD works, but a call of this nature is of the highest importance for law enforcement. It is hard to fathom that nothing was done at the time. Imagine the radio call:

All units, shots fired, 664/211 (attempted robbery) with 664/187 (attempted murder) just occurred, two male suspects last seen in vehicle heading _______ on ______. Victim is homeowner and is armed with a handgun.

That is not the kind of call that merely gets a drive-by. Or no response at all.

I have to believe LaPD did something. It is in LAPD?s interest to make a statement.

[Rickybillegas]

Originally Posted by Ca2AZ

His CCW has not been permanently revoked, it has been suspended while LASD conducts their investigation of the shooting, and ensures he was in compliance with all of their policies. It is similar to when a LEO is involved in a shooting and they are placed on admin leave. He will be getting his CCW back.

Then why in their statement did they say "he can re-apply for his permit".
They did also mention possible re-instatement, but that's contradictory.

'Re-apply' doesn't sound like re-instatement to me. Sounds like starting all over again. Maybe their statement was nervous and not properly vetted?

[Rickybillegas]

Originally Posted by freedomweek

LAPD and LASD are made up of humans. They should be thanking Ricci for scaring the bejeezus out of armed criminals that would be otherwise making life tougher for LEO.

We need a Texas style handshake between LEO and CCW holders. LASD and LAPD are not holding up their end of the bargain.

That's the way it should be, and I think the way it is i some states, but I'm afraid many departments in CA. have been poisoned by the west coast-left coast malignant mindset that civilians shouldn't carry.

We are on their side, and they are on ours, in the sense that we both sides don't like violent criminals, but many of them won't accept that paradigm.

[4SUPER9]

Originally Posted by Rickybillegas

That's the way it should be, and I think the way it is i some states, but I'm afraid many departments in CA. have been poisoned by the west coast-left coast malignant mindset that civilians shouldn't carry.

We are on their side, and they are on ours, in the sense that we both sides don't like violent criminals, but many of them won't accept that paradigm.

I am very close friends with multiple LEO's, and have numerous more clients who are LASD, LAPD, and even LAFD. As far as "boots on the ground" goes, the vast majority of them are very pro-CCW. I have heard too many times "An armed society is a polite society." Unfortunately though, you are correct. The poison is at the top. Too many trying to satisfy the vocal minority (or is it a majority here on the left coast?), pandering to the ignorant.

[nick]

Originally Posted by Avocado Toast

@ Rust,

I never said, hinted or intimated that. Not close. If I wanted to say that, I would have.

Let me be clearer - If you have a Ring camera or similar, it's recording stuff whenever there's movement, based on your settings. It could be recording everything or it only records on movement. Take your pick.

If this is Ricci's house, he controls the cameras and the content of whatever was recorded. LAPD or LASD doesn't own it and they can't forcibly take the contents without his agreement or a warrant.

The little bit of footage that was on the news is the key. Did Ricci turn all of it over the the news station KTLA or did Ricci only release the selected (and favorable) portions when the balance would give everyone some better context?

Did he give everything to LASD and that's what got him in trouble? No one knows but I found it somewhat intriguing that since Ricci ran right to the press to share how he was wronged, he's kind of gone silent.

People who think the snippet of video tells the entire story of how he was attacked and then later he yelled at LAPD, and his permit was yanked, are grasping at reasons to support him and hate on the cops.

I can massage the facts one way and then the other way but all of us, every single one of us, is getting our info second hand or just basing beliefs on a few seconds of video.

Ricci knows what happened beyond the video and his movements too and he's not talking. In my experience, if you've been wronged, you have a fire in your belly to get the story straight and do so with passion. I don't see much of that in him. He's not sharing his info with a firmness of conviction.

FYI, Ring's known to provide their customers' footage to LE even without a warrant, just on request.

[Tommyw1952]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DedVnJC1ZgU

[riderr]

Originally Posted by 4SUPER9

I am very close friends with multiple LEO's, and have numerous more clients who are LASD, LAPD, and even LAFD. As far as "boots on the ground" goes, the vast majority of them are very pro-CCW. I have heard too many times "An armed society is a polite society." Unfortunately though, you are correct. The poison is at the top. Too many trying to satisfy the vocal minority (or is it a majority here on the left coast?), pandering to the ignorant.

I am sure many cops are pro-CCW, till the shooting occurs. Right after, the same cops confiscate your guns and revoke your CCW. They will still be pro-CCW, but they just "followed the orders".

[Avocado Toast]

Originally Posted by nick

FYI, Ring's known to provide their customers' footage to LE even without a warrant, just on request.

Do you have an firsthand and personal knowledge that's what happened here? Any at all? Until there's proof, it's just a WAG.

[19K]

Originally Posted by Ca2AZ

His CCW has not been permanently revoked, it has been suspended while LASD conducts their investigation of the shooting, and ensures he was in compliance with all of their policies. It is similar to when a LEO is involved in a shooting and they are placed on admin leave. He will be getting his CCW back.

The officer on leave, do they ?suspend? his credentials until the investigation is complete removing their ability to carry a firearm when ?off duty??

[Ca2AZ]

Originally Posted by 19K

The officer on leave, do they ?suspend? his credentials until the investigation is complete removing their ability to carry a firearm when ?off duty??

I'm not sure, as I am not a LEO. I merely made the comparison to show that after a shooting there is an investigation to make sure it was within policy. However, I do have first hand knowledge of the situation and the CCW wasn't suspended for yelling at LAPD.

[WithinReason]

Should a person be entitled to a written explanation as to the reason why a CCW is suspended?