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308 Varmint??
On occasion I run across someone selling a Remington 700 308 Varmint and my mind starts to think... What size varmint do you need a 308 for?? Why did they even make it?? Why would anyone buy one in the first place?? I donno it just seems like a 308 belongs in an ADL or BDL ?? 308 in a varmint grade seems like over kill....
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Well, there are two kinds of varmints.
Varmints you want to take out and varmints you want to absolutely annihilate (to send a message to the rest of those furry ****ers). The .308 varmint is the latter. It's about the message.
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https://www.remington.com/rifles/bol...00-sps-varmint
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Varment
Not enough twist for me....I always like 1/10 or 1/11 in .308.....Or a 1/8 for .223
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I hit a ground squirrel with a 300 win mag once at about 25 yards using a Hornady Vmax. Ive shot a bunch with a 308 too. Keep in mind other states have bigger "varmint" class pest than we do in cali and a 308 is rather popular for them.
That being said a 243AI is my favorite round after trying them all. |
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Back in the early 1990's my 700 Varmint shot Fed GM Match 168's and 175's very well despite being supposedly "handicapped" with a slow twist...
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It's had some trickery done to it since this test mule photo was shot. Thanks Mongoose. PAX
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It's only the shorter 20-22" barrels that need a faster twist due to their velocity handicap. That's why 20" barrels are almost universally 1:10" twist. Legit military M40's use a 24" 1:12 twist barrel and shoot almost exclusively 175 SMK's. Do they seem to have accuracy problems? Peak accuracy is attained with the minimum twist required for stability.
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Sounds good to me... I guess an elk or moose is supposed to be considered a varmint?? :-)
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barrel twist
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I've only shot my early 80's vintage 308 Varmint with 165 Serra Game King and 168 Match Kings; it's a very accurate rifle out of the box.
Although I have not specifically looked for commercial varmint rounds, there has long been a selection of lighter weight varmint bullets for reloading in 30 caliber... |
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Peak accuracy is attained with the minimum twist required for stability.
Everyone should read and remember this.
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Gray vapor trails 10ft out of the barrel are fun to see once.
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Funny, cause I wouldn't even consider taking my .308 on a moose hunt, maybe an elk, but I would prefer not too.
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Hey Randall, to the subject of slower twist rate working in a longer barrel.... I was looking at a cz 557 varmint in .243 1:10 twist, 26” barrel.
I was thinking of loading heavier bullets, 103’s and 108’s, was concerned about stabilizing so was considering a savage 110 desert tactical in 6 creedmore as an alternative. I really like the style of the CZ better, you think it’s up to the task? I trust your judgement, you’ve always been spot on in the past. |
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http://www.bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/ |
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I don't know how your 103 and 108 bullet lengths compare to the Hornady 105 and the SMK though so I can't give a definitive answer. Look up all the bullet lengths and compare them...
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It's not that hard to spin a bullet apart but it is easier to have friction heat up the heel of the bullet and see the puff downrange.
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You get a grey streak in the air about 10-15ft off the muzzle. It almost looks like a shot cloud.
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My Win 70 HBV 22-250 with a 1-14 twist will produce gray streaks when I load up with Winchester 64 grain PP bullets. Hear the bullet flutter as it breaks apart too.
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That's odd, it seems to go against conventional wisdom concerning heavier projectiles in a slow twist?
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Its surface area barrel length and friction that destroys bullets rotational forces run roughly 18,000 psi while acceleration runs 128,000 psi.
Berger Bullets had the engineers at MIT look at there bullets when they were getting poofs at 80 yards and that is when they went to the thicker jackets. http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?...t-failure-test
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Winchester 64 grain PP bullets shot great out of my Colt H-Bar 1-7 twist, Stag Arms Model 6 1-8 twist and TC Contender 21” barrel.
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Back then we had a lot of good posters on that forum who really grasped engineering and bullet flight.
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