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Old 08-22-2019, 1:59 PM
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Default What were Col. Cooper's original articles on the Scout Rifle?

What scenario did he have for that kind of rifle, a jack-of-all-trades?

I would love to see the train of thought that led him to that conclusion. I respect the late Colonel's teachings tremendously.
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https://www.molonlabe.net/Commentaries/

Don't know when he started, but I seem to recall it's in these posts. ETA pre-2000, according to the Jan 2000 post.

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You might pop over to scoutrifle.org. Folks there are pretty knowledgeable about that information.

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https://www.gunsandammo.com/editoria...#ixzz3Po2qzX14


http://www.scoutrifle.org/index.php?topic=1276.0

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You might pop over to scoutrifle.org. Folks there are pretty knowledgeable about that information.
That so far seems to be the best place on the web to find info.
I was very fortunate to be a participant in the 2016 Gunsite Scout Rifle Conference, and have posted over there on Andy's forum about that event and related Scout concepts. The history and development takes some time to digest, as it has evolved over time, however the basic principles as spelled out by Col. Jeff Cooper are basically the same.
Richard Mann has authored an excellent book, The Scout Rifle Study, that explains it very well.
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What scenario did he have for that kind of rifle, a jack-of-all-trades?



I would love to see the train of thought that led him to that conclusion. I respect the late Colonel's teachings tremendously.


He wanted a quick handling rifle that weighs about 6 pounds, in a caliber that can take animals up to 1000 pounds, engage man sized targets at 450 yds and accurate to 2MOA at 200 yards. If an optic is used, it would be a low power scope to preserve peripheral vision and forward mounted as to not obstruct the action and loading. He also specified flush mags, practical slings and iron sights to aid in the handling of the rifle. I think only Steyr actually met the original spec and weight and that is without an optic.


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What scenario did he have for that kind of rifle, a jack-of-all-trades?

I would love to see the train of thought that led him to that conclusion. I respect the late Colonel's teachings tremendously.
It started with what he called the "general purpose rifle". Then he came up with a more specific version of that and ended up calling it the scout rifle (inspired by the exploits of old military scouts).

His general purpose rifle is pretty much a very light, reasonably short, handy, slim, "friendly", and well-balanced magazine rifle that can do most things afield that one might task a rifle with doing, including killing other men and taking a variety of game, at least well enough, even if not necessarily ideal for all of them (recalling some of his writings, for a combat rifle he seemed to prefer his BM-59 or HK-91 with a few 20-round mags for either, and for large, heavy, and dangerous game, he tended to prefer heavy rifles like his favorite such rifle, "Baby").

The scout rifle is, again, just a more specific variant, a subsidiary of the general purpose rifle concept. It maintains the characteristics above: light, short, handly, slim (capable of being grasped at the balance among other things), well-balanced, and just generally "friendly".

For weight, it was supposed to be about 3 kilos or less sighted and slung (so about 6.6 lbs, although I think he brought it up to 7 lbs later; I don't recall for sure).

Cartridge was supposed to be 7.62 NATO (due to its ballistics, common availability worldwide, and short length, allowing for use of a shorter action, which means the rifle can weigh less and be a tad shorter).

For game, it was meant to take game weighing up to 200 kilos or so within ethical hunting ranges. Barrel length was specified at 19 inches.

A fast sighting system was required that permitted a man to maintain his peripheral vision, kept the balance of the rifle clear to grasp, kept the action clear sufficiently to allow eyes-off reloading, etc. At minimum, adjustable ghost ring sights or something similar. Even with optics, a backup ghost ring sight was required. Preferred optic was the IER low-power scope mounted to the barrel. I recall reading some later commentaries where he expresses some openness to the possibility of using red dot sights. For optics, they needed to be mounted as low as physically possibile without touching the receiver ring. Optic should be quickly and easily removable in case of damage in the field.

It needed to be able to use a sling as a shooting aid, particularly one which allowed for very rapid looping up, like a Ching, CW/Bisley, or other similar slings. Needed to be attached using flush-mount QD swivels to allow for quick removal or replacement in the field when the situation called for it.

Needed onboard ammo storage, whether a butt cuff, butt magazine, etc.

Strong preference for a lightweight synthetic stock over wood.

There were things he considered niceties, or at least useful and not contrary to the concept, such as the hideaway bipod (I really wish someone would bring back the Clifton), a light mount, detachable (but not long and/or bulky) magazines, charger guides, magazine cut-offs, etc. None of these are required or essential to the concept or specs.

He also came up with a medium version of the scout rifle, which had a greater allowed weight (3.5 kilos, or nearly 7 3/4 lbs max) which would be chambered in a medium cartridge, preferably one that would fit in a short action while having suitable ballistics, but a particular cartridge was not specified. This was for heavier game and some of the lighter, thinner-skinned dangerous game, I forget up to what weight.

Typically bolt-action. He did cite a couple of lever-actions that might serve as an adequate basis for a scout rifle. In theory a self-loader would work, too, but the problem is getting it to be slim, compact, and light enough, while still being reliable and sturdy. Tall order. Maybe the Browning BAR lightweight could serve as a basis, but I'm not sure.

Something like the Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle would not fit within his parameters set for the scout rifle. Just a naming gimmick, IMO, inspired by the concept, or more accurately, by erroneous ideas people have about the concept (which is why it looks like a 7.62mm combat rifle to some extent).
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Col Cooper has written a few books that describe his views on society and many other topics of interest to gun culture people.

IIRC his 1st was To Ride Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth. It is an enjoyable read and gives insight into this mans man.

Dont expect to find it in a public library. Gunsite would be a good start to find a copy.

Hat tip to big stick -- thats the way I recall the Scout rifle concept.
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Col Cooper has written a few books that describe his views on society and many other topics of interest to gun culture people.

IIRC his 1st was To Ride Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth. It is an enjoyable read and gives insight into this mans man.

Dont expect to find it in a public library. Gunsite would be a good start to find a copy.

Hat tip to big stick -- thats the way I recall the Scout rifle concept.
I was able to get all of his books on Amazon.
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