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On or off roster transparency
Hey guys, I am new here so forgive me if I am asking in the wrong place or manner. I am looking for some transparency on acquiring a Smith and Wesson Performance Center 327, 2” barrel. SKU 170245
On the California roster it says 170245A Here is my dilemma, I know 2 stores have it in stock and I can buy it for a significantly higher price, or I can purchase it online for a great price but I can not get a straight answer if it is on or off roster. I do not want to purchase it online to find out I cannot transfer it once it arrives. |
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Generally speaking, when you call a company with 2000+ employees, the first person who answers the phone is not going to know more than how to transfer you.
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To the point, what differences are there in the A and B models, except the likelihood one was drop tested per CA regs. and the other wasn't?
When you go on to S&W's site and select CA compliant guns, the model numbers are not "A and B," they are just the model number. So do only the proper ones make it to CA and are on roster, and other states get random batches, or just the other variant? Seems strange that they do this at all. Why not one model for both since roster addition for wheel guns isn't a huge issue, currently? I've been looking for a 4" 500 Mag. for a little while and, for example, Sportsman's Warehouse lists that model as restricted to other states and doesn't sell it in CA, yet the model number is the same as on S&W's CA compliant page. Does the store only purchase the non-rostered version? It makes so little sense. |
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My understanding is that the S&W California roster versions have a shorter firing pin to reliably pass the drop test. This can cause reliability problems with harder primers. A standard firing pin can be installed to correct any problems.
Adding revolvers to the roster is easy, but not cheap. So not all models will be added. |
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That still doesn't answer why S&W makes two models with the exact same model number, without any other ways to differentiate if it's compliant or not, except to open the box and look.
Most other manufacturers have parts that are for all 50 states, or separate part numbers for California, or stick -CA on the end of the part to make sure people know what they are buying. Why is S&W explicitly hiding this information? |
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There's a reason that the average Joe in CA doesn't just buy guns on the internet; it usually ends up in an error and costs you far more than if you had just purchased locally in the first place. Try searching gun genie and see who will order it for you at the best price.
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I think what your hearing is a cyber rumor with no basis in fact.
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CA "short" firing pins are .486; the rest of the free world gets a firing pin that is .495. Fortunately, a whole bunch of folks make excellent aftermarket firing pins that aren't too expensive. |
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if that's the case, I stand corrected. Sure would like to hear that from a S&W rep, though.
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Is this the one that you want? Davidson's has it as CA legal.
https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/...px?item=170245
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Do you have any documatation regarding this?
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Smith-wessonforum.com, midway, brownells and cylinder and slide sites all have information about the short firing pin problem. Smith&Wesson service department installs a long firing pin when they receive a light strike warranty return.
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The CA model will have an “A” after the SKU number...not only on the roster but it will also be on the box it is shipped in from S&W.
If you find it cheaper somewhere, contact them and ask if there is an “A” after the SKU. If there isn’t, it is NOT CA approved. I would also recommend asking local FFL what their transfer fees are. Once you pay shipping and transfer fees, it is often cheaper to order local. Where are you located?
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I found no references under any of the sites that you indicate that speak to manufactured short firing pins. There were references regarding light strikes under varying circumstances that could have been caused by a number of conditions. For quite obvious reasons gun parts that are manufactured by quality firearms manufactures are produced to exacting standards. Inferring that S&W produces and installs parts contrary to standards is, in my opinion, irresponsible. BTW, the letter "A"/"B" under the top strap merely reflects updated models and has, apparently, no reference to CA models.
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American soldier by choice. Made in America by the Grace of God. So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State. Judge Roger T. Benitez LCM's ruled legal 3/29/2019 |
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Let me rephrase my last statement.
The "A"/"B", etc, indicates models that have been re-tested by S&W to insure their passing Calif. testing and subsequently approved for the Calif. market.
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You guys need to hug it out and move on.
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At least a few of the A/B marked California models passed the drop test as a result of the shorter firing pins.
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I specifically asked if S&W shipped handguns to CA with "short firing pins" in order to pass testing. Below is their answer... Reference number: LTK1114701746904X Please use this ticket number in any correspondence with us. Subject: Short firing pins Dear …., We would like to thank you for your e-mail and contacting Smith & Wesson / Thompson Center. I have never heard of this nor is there any truth to it at all. This is not something the Smith & Wesson would ever do. Thank You for choosing Smith & Wesson / Thompson Center products. Have a great day. Smith & Wesson values its customers and we are happy to have served you today. Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require further assistance. Regards, Steve Hopefully this will put an end to such stupidity unless some just refuse to believe the truth.
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