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Old 10-17-2020, 5:59 PM
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This is just ridiculous. Especially, since the definition of an assault weapon seems to be shifting. It isn't just AR-15s dims don't like, its any semi-auto with a detachable magazine.

Everyone would have to get a $200 tax stamp, on each rifle, and then they are registered. If you move you have to notify the Feds? You cannot travel across a border with a NFA item without notifying someone?

It takes like 9 months to get cleared for an NFA item. How long would it take when a minimum of 18 MILLION AR-15s need a tax stamp? So, what if they go after ALL semi-autos?!?

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He would have to get congress to modify the law.
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This is just ridiculous. Especially, since the definition of an assault weapon seems to be shifting. It isn't just AR-15s dims don't like, its any semi-auto with a detachable magazine.

Everyone would have to get a $200 tax stamp, on each rifle, and then they are registered. If you move you have to notify the Feds? You cannot travel across a border with a NFA item without notifying someone?

It takes like 9 months to get cleared for an NFA item. How long would it take when a minimum of 18 MILLION AR-15s need a tax stamp? So, what if they go after ALL semi-autos?!?

RESIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's nothing like that with Form 1s right now. 2-4 weeks. Form 4s is a lot longer. That's nothing. And you do them via Kiosk/electronic. Super fast. $200 is nothing either.

My SBR started as an AR pistol and if I want to travel I can file a form 5320 or just convert it back to a pistol from an sbr and it's legal.

It will just mean they will be banned in California, New York, Hawaii, New Jersey etc. Just like the Clinton AWB back from 1994-2004. But even with that federal ban Alaska was one of a few states like Wyoming that did not enforce it and you could still buy assault weapons during that 10 years span. I know, I did.
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No he wont. He plans on a clinton style AWB to include a buyback....
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Biden will make "assault rifles" NFA items CLEAN Depends, full of crap.



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No he wont. He plans on a clinton style AWB to include a buyback....
^^^^ This. A Assault weapon ban and mandatory buyback gets around the 5th Amendment's "illegal taking" aspect of an outright ban and confiscation.

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He can lick the goat’s hot, sweaty bung. Having long ago given up on the concept of being a “law abiding citizen”, I simply don’t care, and really could care less about those who would be stupid enough to attempt to enforce such an edict.
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Unintended consequences.

Go ahead and put the entire NFA under scrutiny with this move. It’s not the most constitutionally grounded of laws. Would be a shame if a new SCOTUS undid the whole shebang.

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This is just ridiculous. Especially, since the definition of an assault weapon seems to be shifting. It isn't just AR-15s dims don't like, its any semi-auto with a detachable magazine.

Everyone would have to get a $200 tax stamp, on each rifle, and then they are registered. If you move you have to notify the Feds? You cannot travel across a border with a NFA item without notifying someone?

It takes like 9 months to get cleared for an NFA item. How long would it take when a minimum of 18 MILLION AR-15s need a tax stamp? So, what if they go after ALL semi-autos?!?

RESIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...y-already-own/

Biden thinks they already are NFA, at least the AR14 variant

Don't ban me for posting this, I'm pretty sure what Biden says is "bull Schiff" as in Adam Schiff

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It's nothing like that with Form 1s right now. 2-4 weeks. Form 4s is a lot longer. That's nothing. And you do them via Kiosk/electronic. Super fast. $200 is nothing either.

My SBR started as an AR pistol and if I want to travel I can file a form 5320 or just convert it back to a pistol from an sbr and it's legal.

It will just mean they will be banned in California, New York, Hawaii, New Jersey etc. Just like the Clinton AWB back from 1994-2004. But even with that federal ban Alaska was one of a few states like Wyoming that did not enforce it and you could still buy assault weapons during that 10 years span. I know, I did.
What do you think this is? The days of Kennedy or something? When has a presidential candidate promised his voters that he would confiscate their firearms.

You are living in the past. These people are not moderate Clinton people, things are being driven by the far left now. I cannot believe you haven't noticed.

Very disappointed to hear from someone who appears to have taken the oath to protect and defend the Constitution supporting Joe Biden. How dumb do you have to be.

It is an incredible encroachment on our liberty. I cannot stand people who think that if we keep giving in they will eventually stop, as if this isn't yet another step to disarming us. What F'ing planet do you live on. Or are you one of the clearly Democracks that likes guns and is deluded about the end-goal of the left, and who they really are.

So you think the registration process, because that's what it is, and setting us up for confiscation, won't become a slowed down mess when 18 million (minimum) guns have to be registered? And what is the LEGITIMATE PURPOSE if not confiscation.

It is a backdoor registration process so they can be taken later. Everyone will have to set up a trust to pass them on to their family, but I'm betting they will do like California and disallow transfers.

The Marxists have been saying assault weapons, but they are many times discussing all semi-autos.

Also $200 might not be the end of the world if you own 2-3 rifles, but I have probably 20 different firearms that require special builds in Commiefornia that I've collected over the years. And several other magazine fed semi-autos that are naturally featureless, which I bet they will also require registration.
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I'm already leaving California, but what the hell makes you think they will stop with bans in California because of the NFA. And what are people going to do with the hundreds of thousands of rifles in CA? A buyback?

Yours was the dumbest post I've seen in two weeks, and that is saying something. Wake the hell up.

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Biden thinks they already are NFA, at least the AR14 variant

Don't ban me for posting this, I'm pretty sure what Biden says is "bull Schiff" as in Adam Schiff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k2UeoY4uyU
Uh, so what was the point of your video post? We all know he's dumb as a bag of hammers.

It doesn't make me feel better to know that he's senile and that the commies around him are calling the shots.
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This is just ridiculous. Especially, since the definition of an assault weapon seems to be shifting. It isn't just AR-15s dims don't like, its any semi-auto with a detachable magazine.

Everything that comes from the Lefts mouth has a new definition, meaning, and has grossly shifted away from traditional and classical meaning. Even the dictionary has been changed to meet their narratives.
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Uh, so what was the point of your video post? We all know he's dumb as a bag of hammers.

It doesn't make me feel better to know that he's senile and that the commies around him are calling the shots.
since Biden thinks AR15’s are already NFA items, he will have no problem having them added to title 2.


That’s the point.
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Very disappointed to hear from someone who appears to have taken the oath to protect and defend the Constitution supporting Joe Biden. How dumb do you have to be.
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Even Ruth Buzzy Gingsburg stated the US Constitution is a horrible example of a national constitution, yet she took up the highest court position in the USA and took up an oath to uphold, but she never believed in.
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This is just ridiculous. Especially, since the definition of an assault weapon seems to be shifting. It isn't just AR-15s dims don't like, its any semi-auto with a detachable magazine.
No, it’s anything with a trigger that goes bang they want to ban, they just calculated it’s easier to start with assault rifles and expand the definition.
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No he wont. He plans on a clinton style AWB to include a buyback....
Exactly the same thing.
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Everything that comes from the Lefts mouth has a new definition, meaning, and has grossly shifted away from traditional and classical meaning. Even the dictionary has been changed to meet their narratives.
True. I still have preferences, however. I'll take Melania over the Wookie any day.

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Infiltrate with any means and sabatoge with any means. Oaths for some mean nothing.
Even Ruth Buzzy Gingsburg stated the US Constitution is a horrible example of a national constitution, yet she took up the highest court position in the USA and took up an oath to uphold, but she never believed in.
So true. She was a horrible justice IMO, it makes me laugh when Trump says what a great woman she was, because he knows the opposite is true. She was promoted above her ability and she was anti-American. She had no business being on the court.
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No, it’s anything with a trigger that goes bang they want to ban, they just calculated it’s easier to start with assault rifles and expand the definition.
LOL. True as can be.
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It's nothing like that with Form 1s right now. 2-4 weeks. Form 4s is a lot longer. That's nothing. And you do them via Kiosk/electronic. Super fast. $200 is nothing either.

My SBR started as an AR pistol and if I want to travel I can file a form 5320 or just convert it back to a pistol from an sbr and it's legal.

It will just mean they will be banned in California, New York, Hawaii, New Jersey etc. Just like the Clinton AWB back from 1994-2004. But even with that federal ban Alaska was one of a few states like Wyoming that did not enforce it and you could still buy assault weapons during that 10 years span. I know, I did.
What an arrogant post. You seem to be OK, and even supportive of these NFA mandates, and because you are on the other side of the river, don’t give a hoot about your fellow gun owners in other states.
Furthermore, I hope you are retired, as IMO you are the type who would have no problem “following orders” if you were tasked with the disarming of your fellow citizens.

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Obama didn't even try to get the AWB re-instated when he had both houses of congress. The reason is the democrats didn't support it.

This is election BS to energize their base.
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To save the 2nd, the first thing we should do is propose banning all shotguns and hunting rifles.

Watch the hysterical but*-hurt evolve.
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It's nothing like that with Form 1s right now. 2-4 weeks. Form 4s is a lot longer. That's nothing. And you do them via Kiosk/electronic. Super fast. $200 is nothing either.

My SBR started as an AR pistol and if I want to travel I can file a form 5320 or just convert it back to a pistol from an sbr and it's legal.

It will just mean they will be banned in California, New York, Hawaii, New Jersey etc. Just like the Clinton AWB back from 1994-2004. But even with that federal ban Alaska was one of a few states like Wyoming that did not enforce it and you could still buy assault weapons during that 10 years span. I know, I did.
This might be the biggest anti 2nd, Fudd, apolologist post I've seen on this site.
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Obama didn't even try to get the AWB re-instated when he had both houses of congress. The reason is the democrats didn't support it.

This is election BS to energize their base.
Just keep your head in the sand as you always do. Hope you enjoy your new toothless socialist society. You're on my disgraced gun owners list along with Endless idiot.
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A glimmer of hope from Scalia in Heller. Let's hope the new wave of justices have enough backbone to look at the NFA and Miller.

"We may as well consider at this point (for we will have to consider eventually) what types of weapons Miller permits. Read in isolation, Miller’s phrase “part of ordinary military equipment” could mean that only those weapons useful in warfare are protected. That would be a startling reading of the opinion, since it would mean that the National Firearms Act’s restrictions on machineguns (not challenged in Miller) might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939. We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. The traditional militia was formed from a pool of men bringing arms “in common use at the time” for lawful purposes like self-defense. “In the colonial and revolutionary war era, [small-arms] weapons used by militiamen and weapons used in defense of person and home were one and the same.” State v. Kessler, 289 Ore. 359, 368, 614 P. 2d 94, 98 (1980) (citing G. Neumann, Swords and Blades of the American Revolution 6–15, 252–254 (1973)).

Indeed, that is precisely the way in which the SecondAmendment’s operative clause furthers the purpose announced in its preface. We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns.

That accords with the historical understanding of the scope of the right, see Part III, infra.25"

Given that one could buy machine guns through the Sears catalog and have them mailed to your house before NFA what's considered in common use must be tempered by tyrannical restrictions.

Justices that are not afraid to roll back dangerous infringements as opposed to selective readings in support of tyrants will be welcome.

Brady will fall. GCA will fall. NFA will fall. It's only a matter of time.

Anyone that has studied the history of this nation can clearly see the Militia is The People's Army and intended to bring the best weapons they could afford when pressed into service in defense of the nation (and their other duties).

The Militia fought and won the revolutionary war - that is the institution the Founding Fathers intended to be protected from infringements. An unarmed or under armed militia is not a militia but a collection of slaves.
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Obama didn't even try to get the AWB re-instated when he had both houses of congress. The reason is the democrats didn't support it.

This is election BS to energize their base.
They couldn't really "re-instate" it because it expired in 2004. They would have had to pass a new ban and there were enough dems that realized it would be political suicide. Right now they're in the minority, and everyone knows it doesn't matter what they do, so they follow Pelosi in lockstep.
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He would have to get congress to modify the law.
NO HE WOULDN'T. All that is required is for the ATF to make an opinion to include detachable mag semi autos in the NFA due to the ability of being modified into full auto. The opinion sits for awhile while people make comments and then becomes a rule with whatever comments they want to include and after awhile and more comments the rule becomes the law with any additional specs they want to include. ALL WITHOUT the legislature taking any action. This is a GIANT problem with how our system works. Many of the things that Trump killed were these Rule/Laws that were hurting businesses.
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NO HE WOULDN'T. All that is required is for the ATF to make an opinion to include detachable mag semi autos in the NFA due to the ability of being modified into full auto. The opinion sits for awhile while people make comments and then becomes a rule with whatever comments they want to include and after awhile and more comments the rule becomes the law with any additional specs they want to include. ALL WITHOUT the legislature taking any action. This is a GIANT problem with how our system works. Many of the things that Trump killed were these Rule/Laws that were hurting businesses.
For ARs, that would expose them to further litigation on the fact that GCA technically doesn’t classify split receivers as firearms, if the breech isn’t in the part of the weapon where the trigger and hammer reside.

That’s what California is suing ATF for, as we speak.

Realistically they can’t put AR semi-auto receivers under NFA because the receiver is not a firearm in itself.

Assembled as a full-auto M16 is a different case, or as with barreled action uppers being firearms.

There is precedent here, that would have to be overcome. And, if it did sans legislation, I would be hopeful that Chevron Deference would finally fall.
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^^^^ This. A Assault weapon ban and mandatory buyback gets around the 5th Amendment's "illegal taking" aspect of an outright ban and confiscation.

"private property [shall not] be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Oh, he also includes standard capacity mags in his mandatory buyback plan. Biden's also for elimination of the 6th Amendment rights of gun owners as well with his support of red flag laws which allow accusers to remain anonymous in the process.

I don't think there is any one of the first 10 Amendments that the left agrees with; they want them all gone. Well, maybe the 3rd Amendment is safe.
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He would have to cheat his way to victory, retain the congress, and then do that.
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Chicken Little says they won't ban semi-auto rifles in America.
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Beware of the "kamala administration with joe biden". My Sheriff here in Greenville County, SC has no problem approving NFA requests.

Right now I am more worried about the ATF issuing that "cease and desist" order to "Q Firearms" regarding their AR Pistols, the sugar badger or whatever it's called. They said this was "brand specific" but also worded it to where they "leave the option open" to go after other pistol "braced" short barreled AR/AK pistols. I just ordered a couple AR pistol lowers so I can build a 10.5" AR for my lady and a 7.5" in 300 Blackout. Also picked up a CMMG Banshee in 9mm with the 5" barrel for home defense.

That Banshee is sweet!! It's entire length is equal to my SW MP15 to the end of the foreward sight, so it is compact enough to handle business in close confines and has slightly less kick than my AR. The Banshee comes in at 23" where the AR is 34" with the stock fully collapsed. Even with a suppressor that thing comes in 3-5 inches shorter.

I really want to pick up a semi auto bullpup 12 gauge and a Desert Tech MDRX in 308 just in case we have a "kamala administration with Joe Biden". I know how kamala hates those mag fed semi auto firearms.
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Obama didn't even try to get the AWB re-instated when he had both houses of congress. The reason is the democrats didn't support it.

This is election BS to energize their base.
I agree, it is all talk. Plus, there are too many new gun owners on the left now, which will be shifting things, I hope.

The mechanism needed to get any kind of nationwide registration/confiscation rolling would take too many years to guarantee Biden a second term.
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^^^^ This. A Assault weapon ban and mandatory buyback gets around the 5th Amendment's "illegal taking" aspect of an outright ban and confiscation.

"private property [shall not] be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Bingo! And your custom built $x,xxx AR just became worth about $50. Government sets the price and if you dispute the price expect to shell out mucho dinero for an attorney to engage in a court battle. Unless, the difference is more than $50-100K even a cheap attorney is going to cost more than a win.
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He can declare anything he wants.

Not going to comply.
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I agree, it is all talk. Plus, there are too many new gun owners on the left now, which will be shifting things, I hope.

The mechanism needed to get any kind of nationwide registration/confiscation rolling would take too many years to guarantee Biden a second term.
All talk? Biden and the entire left campaigned on it, for the first time ever. So, you are betting your 2A Rights on your faulty logic that it will be too hard and take too much time, so they won't do it?

Geez, that's not even a meaningful or strong argument. The Dims are now owned by the left. There are no moderates in power on the left. You should try keeping up with current events.

You realize, I hope, that corrupt and senile Biden isn't going to make it through his first term, let alone run for a second. I think the current plan is a grab for dictator like powers very quickly. And there won't be any real opposition left when they are done.

AND, Do you REALLY think that the Left gives a crap about the Moderate gun owners in the Democrack party???? The moderates ARE the enemy. Why do you think they keep putting up leftist candidates against Moderate Democracks? AOC beat and replaced the NUMBER 2 Democrack in the House, and she is a straight up Socialist. Democracks have been systematically replacing Moderates with Leftists.

The leftists run the house, and all the money is behind them, and they want your guns. What do you think Beto was about, and now he's Biden's butt buddy.

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Bingo! And your custom built $x,xxx AR just became worth about $50. Government sets the price and if you dispute the price expect to shell out mucho dinero for an attorney to engage in a court battle. Unless, the difference is more than $50-100K even a cheap attorney is going to cost more than a win.
Exactly, they will set the price based on the market value....not what its actually worth when there is a real market. And since there will be no market for ARs, because they are banned, they will give you a token compensation.
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