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Old 10-15-2020, 11:54 PM
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Once you figure out how to run one of these it becomes obvious that they are just fine with the bolt handle on the right and the mag release on the left,,, and you lock the bolt open by using your left thumb while running the bolt with your right hand.

But really another thread just got thru saying everything Ruger makes is junk so are these OK? mine seems OK>

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I'm left handed and kept the controls on the right side. I can hold the weapon in my firing hand and work the bolt and release the magazine with my right. Works in all shooting positions but prone and I don't think this will be used in the prone position much.
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Most of my guns are ruger and never had an issue. Been wanting the pcc since i have some 30rd glock mags.
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The Big 5 near my house has 2 of the stock non-MLOK ones for $550. The MLOK ones are so hard to find...
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The Big 5 near my house has 2 of the stock non-MLOK ones for $550. The MLOK ones are so hard to find...
This is better than the Ruger factory M-Lok hand guard anyway:

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com...p/mi-crpc9.htm
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Congrats OP.

Sorry if I missed it but what was your rationale for ruger pcc vs ar9 style pcc
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This is better than the Ruger factory M-Lok hand guard anyway:

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com...p/mi-crpc9.htm
Man I've been having issues with Midwest Industries lately. TBQH I rather just get the stock Ruger MLOKs.
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Come on! EVERYONE has grandfathered or freedom week Glock mags. Hell, I had 33 rounders and the only Glock I had was a 26.



But in the meantime he gets to hold onto the pistol grip like a human being instead of futzing with a fin grip. There are lots of times in IPSC matches where holding the gun with one hand is very beneficial.

Also, this magazine button has lots of good reviews:
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I have the original Taccom mag button extension, like a 4" delrin bar that attaches to the mag button. It can be made to work, but took some doing. And it's ugly as sin, and obviously not the best solution. Cudos to Taccom for trying, I like their business model; quality stuff at reasonable prices, and give them my money every chance I get.

When I was living in California (up to September), I used the Exile Machine Fin Grip on a Magpul MIAD grip. It has a little thumb shelf so you can hold the gun one-handed, though this worked better if your gun wasn't front heavy (which Ruger PCCs are). Not ideal, but about as good as it could be.

The Tandemkross seems like the best option available. The ProMag would be nice @ $129.00, but they seem to be in no hurry to get them out there for buyers, so TandemKross it is. $179.00 with discount, included buttstock, mag funnel, pistol grip, and updated mag catch. Not to disable the LRBHO...
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Sorry if I missed it but what was your rationale for ruger pcc vs ar9 style pcc
Nothing really, shot one, saw one for sale. That's really it.
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Nothing really, shot one, saw one for sale. That's really it.
Other than the mag catch location, which Ruger should have addressed in the design phase, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Ruger PCC. It's a fun gun, is reliable out of the box, uses Glock magazines, and is super affordable. The trigger on mine was actually pretty good out of the box, and it complies with all of California's dumb "assault weapon" rules. There is no reason to not buy and own one, other than it's not the most pretty gun you'll own. I recommend everyone get one. In addition to the mag catch location, I wish Ruger had designed the gun for an AR handguard, so the barrel was centered in the handguard, but this is picking nits.

The two issues I talked about are issues only affecting competition type shooters, under particular situations, and the work around for one (the magazine bending the ejector on a bolt open reload) is to disable the last round bolt hold open (LRBHO), and the other (the location of the mag catch) is the judicious application of money to get a Tandemkross stock.
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I've read that a Volquartsen trigger/hammer group from a 10/22 drops right in.

I'll let you guys know.
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I've read that a Volquartsen trigger/hammer group from a 10/22 drops right in.

I'll let you guys know.

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Nothing really, shot one, saw one for sale. That's really it.
Thats a legit reason. Congrats on the buy.
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I've read that a Volquartsen trigger/hammer group from a 10/22 drops right in.

I'll let you guys know.
It doesn't, there are issues with trigger reset. Check Youtube for details on this. Some parts work, some don't, can't remember which ones.
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Nice grab. That barrel is a CHF fluated barrel....gun is stupid accurate. Enjoy
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I just put this thing in jail. Now the waiting begins.
Since you load your own- RPCC's seem to like heavier bullets with slower burning handgun powders. Load them like you normally would for any handgun.

My RPCC likes Xtreme 147 gr RN's pushed by Unique. I also had good results using Power Pistol. Haven't had any issues using plated bullets so far.

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Tandemkross Extended Magazine release, charging handle, and flat-faced trigger. Big improvement over stock.
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Tandemkross Extended Magazine release, charging handle, and flat-faced trigger. Big improvement over stock.
I have the (no longer available) Taccom version, which actually allows the trigger finger to reach the mag catch. It's ok, but not ideal.

Tandemkross Upriser, the actual solution to the problem, and what Ruger should have done. You people still in California will need the gripfin, sorry about that:

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That wouldn't be a PCC.
Apparently there was a 44 mag ruger pcc once upon a time? That sounds pretty amazing, tbh!!
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I have a few of their products installed (charging handle and mag release).

https://www.mcarbo.com/ruger-pc-carb...cessories.aspx
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This is better than the Ruger factory M-Lok hand guard anyway:

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com...p/mi-crpc9.htm
My Ruger M Lok has worked really well.
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Apparently there was a 44 mag ruger pcc once upon a time? That sounds pretty amazing, tbh!!
There is one for sale near my right now. They are pretty sweet looking.
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If it was a PCC chambered in .45 ACP you wouldn't have to turn in your man card.....


Just kidding, nice rifle.
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Apparently there was a 44 mag ruger pcc once upon a time? That sounds pretty amazing, tbh!!
The Ruger Deerfield and also the 99/44 were semi-auto’s - wish I had gotten a 99/44 when they were in production. Ive had a .44 Mag long gun of sone type for 20 years, and man do they hit hard... well, out to like 150 yards, then they kinda turn into artillery...
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Apparently there was a 44 mag ruger pcc once upon a time? That sounds pretty amazing, tbh!!
And it looked like a giant 10/22.
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I have a few of their products installed (charging handle and mag release).

https://www.mcarbo.com/ruger-pc-carb...cessories.aspx
I have a bunch of M Carbo stuff on my Kel Tec Sub 2000. For the Ruger I went mostly with Taccom, mostly because they were making stuff first. Both companies make some good stuff.
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There is one for sale near my right now. They are pretty sweet looking.
If I could find one at a decent price, I'd buy it. Two versions, one has a tube magazine and the other uses a rotary mag similar to the 10/22. Can't remember which came first.
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The Ruger Deerfield and also the 99/44 were semi-auto’s - wish I had gotten a 99/44 when they were in production. Ive had a .44 Mag long gun of sone type for 20 years, and man do they hit hard... well, out to like 150 yards, then they kinda turn into artillery...
I've got a Ruger Deerfield 44 mag, but mine is really interesting because its stamped Ruger Deer Slayer instead of Deerfield. Ruger picked the name Deer Slayer and made a few, but Ithaca was already using the name and took Ruger to court where Ruger was forced to choose another name.

Ruger chose Deefield. But mine says Deer Slayer.
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I've got a Ruger Deerfield 44 mag, but mine is really interesting because its stamped Ruger Deer Slayer instead of Deerfield. Ruger picked the name Deer Slayer and made a few, but Ithaca was already using the name and took Ruger to court where Ruger was forced to choose another name.

Ruger chose Deefield. But mine says Deer Slayer.
So it's defective. I'll take it off your hands for $150.00...
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So it's defective. I'll take it off your hands for $150.00...
Hahaha...Defective. Exactly. $150? Not exactly. The Deer Slayer was bought by my Grandfather. I doubt there is more than a box of ammo through it. I've never shot it LOL.

I like PCCs, but I often wonder if they really make sense for anything other than plinking. Don't get me wrong, they are fun, but a PCC would not be my choice for a 'stuck in the wilderness' survival rifle.

Unless you have a handgun that uses the same ammunition and preferably the same magazines, there isn't any advantage over an AR and 9mm side arm together.

In fact, I don't think the common ammo, common magazine advantage of a PCC/pistol combo, is sufficient to over come the capability, power, and accuracy of the .223/5.56 round in an AR, with a 9mm sidearm. I might even argue that you wouldn't need a sidearm, and that a good AR would be sufficient. Just take a spare bolt, cam pin and firing pin.

AR's weight is about the same amount (or less) than a Ruger PCC (depending on configuration),

And a rifle round in 5.56 is actually lighter (M193 weighs .41oz.) than a Gold Dot 9mm (.45 oz).

Yet the AR in 5.56 is a much more capable rifle/round combination than a PCC at about the same weight.

In normal times 9mm is about 10 cents per round cheaper for practice ammo than 5.56. That makes it a cheap plinker, but in the SHTF, defend and feed your family scenario, the PCC is weak sauce. You are far better off with an AR and 5.56 ammo.

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I have the (no longer available) Taccom version, which actually allows the trigger finger to reach the mag catch. It's ok, but not ideal.

Tandemkross Upriser, the actual solution to the problem, and what Ruger should have done. You people still in California will need the gripfin, sorry about that:

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Hahaha...Defective. Exactly. $150? Not exactly. The Deer Slayer was bought by my Grandfather. I doubt there is more than a box of ammo through it. I've never shot it LOL.

I like PCCs, but I often wonder if they really make sense for anything other than plinking. Don't get me wrong, they are fun, but a PCC would not be my choice for a 'stuck in the wilderness' survival rifle.

Unless you have a handgun that uses the same ammunition and preferably the same magazines, there isn't any advantage over an AR and 9mm side arm together.

In fact, I don't think the common ammo, common magazine advantage of a PCC/pistol combo, is sufficient to over come the capability, power, and accuracy of the .223/5.56 round in an AR, with a 9mm sidearm. I might even argue that you wouldn't need a sidearm, and that a good AR would be sufficient. Just take a spare bolt, cam pin and firing pin.

AR's weight is about the same amount (or less) than a Ruger PCC (depending on configuration),

And a rifle round in 5.56 is actually lighter (M193 weighs .41oz.) than a Gold Dot 9mm (.5 oz).

Yet the AR in 5.56 is a much more capable rifle/round combination than a PCC at about the same weight.

In normal times 9mm is about 10 cents per round cheaper for practice ammo than 5.56. That makes it a cheap plinker, but in the SHTF, defend and feed your family scenario, the PCC is weak sauce. You are far better off with an AR and 5.56 ammo.
I have no illusions about the capabilities of a 9mm rifle, I like it cause it's fun. Fun to build, fun to shoot, fun to play games with (USPSA).

It's also what the original poster was asking about, so I figured I'd give my insight based on my (admittedly) limited experience from building two 9mm ARs and owning a Ruger PCC, the subject of this thread.

I don't buy guns planning for the end of times, because if the end of times came while I was living in California (Alameda), walking around with a rifle would be a good way to get dead early in the game. I figure if that scenario does develop, I'd be better off being armed, and having nobody know it until it was too late. Silence & stealth until I got out of the urban areas, and to my (if I believed in the whole end of times stuff) stash in the mountains, where I'd have (again, if I believed in the end of times stuff) my hideout, food, guns, transport, etc.

Since I don't waste my money stashing guns for the end of times, my primary focus is shooting what I have. To that end, I don't buy ammo, I reload. I have more brass than I'll ever use at this point, plenty of powder and primers to get me through the current shortages, and bullets a'plenty. And since I just left California, I'm no longer limited in what I can buy with regards to handguns, rifle features, magazine limits, or purchasing restrictions so maybe a short barreled rifle stamp, or AR pistol will be in the picture, haven't decided yet. For me the whole gun thing is for fun. And shooting 9mm rifles is fun. So is shooting .223 rifles, .50 Beowulf rifles, .30-06 rifles, .30 Carbine rifles, .308 rifles, .22 rifles, and pistols in all calibers too.
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