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Old 10-02-2020, 1:59 PM
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A lot of people love to spend $100 or $200 or more on carriers, but will a cheap carrier work to hold plates in place relatively comfortably? YEAH. I have Condors and one of the $15.98 carriers from BOTACH. Guess what? The $15.98 carrier is comfortable and won't drop plates out the bottom. Actually it loads from the top and holds an 11x14" plate if you want. This one has a Level IIIA+ 11x14 in front and a IIIA+ 10x12 in back... feels balanced enough, light as hell and lots of adjustment. Just sharing. Everyone doesn't have $200 to spend on a carrier. WILL IT WORK? YEAH. Plate position is right on whether it is a 10x12 or a 11x14 (internal adjuster strap at bottom of each pocket you use with anything shorter than an 11x14). VERY durable material, stitching is good.

Is FERRO a lot cooler? Is it cool to buy USA? Of course.


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Old 10-03-2020, 10:18 AM
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Hell yeah. Thanks Crufflers. I scored a slickster in multicam. (thanks to Master Prestige)
Canadians made this? Nice work, eh

My buddy said he bought a few bulletproofing supplies (large wall panels maybe?) from this place (below) and they shipped immediately.
Not a big fan of AliBaba and or Chinesium, but Jiangsu Linry posts the Oregon Ballistics and HP White lab results for their stuff. --Not for everyone, i understand.
$80 IIIa helmet wall/car panels $100 IIIa poor man's vest
Figured i'd put this here. Cheers and good luck

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Hell yeah. Thanks Crufflers. I scored a slickster in multicam. (thanks to Master Prestige)
Canadians made this? Nice work, eh

My buddy said he bought a few bulletproofing supplies (large wall panels maybe?) from this place (below) and they shipped immediately.
Not a big fan of AliBaba and or Chinesium, but Jiangsu Linry posts the Oregon Ballistics and HP White lab results for their stuff. --Not for everyone, i understand.
$80 IIIa helmet wall/car panels $100 IIIa poor man's vest
Figured i'd put this here. Cheers and good luck
I'll check out those links. I have two Slicksters and they are great.

Honestly, I got that BOTACH (VISM) carrier for my son as a NERF WARS costume to go with his battle belt. It holds plates just fine and lots of sizes of plates. I had 10x12 level IV in there before. I was hoping to put the 11x14 into a backpack but it was too wide. Fits fine in the BOTACH low-pro carrier. I was actually pretty shocked for $15.98... you can't rip that thing... closes up just like a slickster in front.
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Old 10-03-2020, 11:36 AM
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I'll check out those links. I have two Slicksters and they are great.

Honestly, I got that BOTACH (VISM) carrier for my son as a NERF WARS costume to go with his battle belt. It holds plates just fine and lots of sizes of plates. I had 10x12 level IV in there before. I was hoping to put the 11x14 into a backpack but it was too wide. Fits fine in the BOTACH low-pro carrier. I was actually pretty shocked for $15.98... you can't rip that thing... closes up just like a slickster in front.
A good value for sure. I was looking @ this . In my mind, This stuff can't be any worse than safe life ..
I work with a dude from Israel he says over there, there are times/places where damn near everyone has some type of bulletproofing on.
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Old 10-03-2020, 12:27 PM
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I just unwrapped this yesterday - same exact one. I think I paid a total of $42 for the two of them. I ordered two because free shipping was at 35. I ordered A500 plates a few months ago during the $69 sale and they slid right in. Felt comfortable. I could toss a big flannel shirt (almost jacket) over it if I had too and another wind breaker I have too. I don't have a ton to spend and didn't think about even getting this until wanting to visit some political events. In total I'm into this $122 and I have an extra carrier. I figured the cheap carrier wouldn't last so it was ok to get two.

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A lot of people love to spend $100 or $200 or more on carriers, but will a cheap carrier work to hold plates in place relatively comfortably? YEAH. I have Condors and one of the $15.98 carriers from BOTACH. Guess what? The $15.98 carrier is comfortable and won't drop plates out the bottom. Actually it loads from the top and holds an 11x14" plate if you want. This one has a Level IIIA+ 11x14 in front and a IIIA+ 10x12 in back... feels balanced enough, light as hell and lots of adjustment. Just sharing. Everyone doesn't have $200 to spend on a carrier. WILL IT WORK? YEAH. Plate position is right on whether it is a 10x12 or a 11x14 (internal adjuster strap at bottom of each pocket you use with anything shorter than an 11x14). VERY durable material, stitching is good.

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Old 10-03-2020, 1:44 PM
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WAIT, this ^ is the Botach $16 plate carrier?! wow!
(i thought you had posted a picture of a slickster) (i'm on an iphone i didnt see the pic clearly)

Botach is sold out of the cool colors..all they have left is white. i'm still gettin one. Thanks!
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Old 10-03-2020, 1:50 PM
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Botach is sold out of the cool colors..all they have left is white. i'm still gettin one. Thanks!
Yeah the white will blend under a shirt, thinking of getting white.

Gratuitous Slickster pic:


Legit Kit on EBAY has BLACK Slingsters.
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Old 10-07-2020, 5:49 PM
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This one arrived tonight... just got it setup/sized.



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Old 10-15-2020, 7:49 AM
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Anyone notice the reason why the LAPG and Botach plates are cheaper and lighter than other plates is probably because the ceramic does not take up the whole 10x12 plate? The ceramic stops at least 2" from the edge of the plate. So these are really 6x8 plates. Its kind of false advertising. Really sneaky.
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Well not 2 in, more like 1/2 inch to 1 inch around the edge, at least for the Battle Steel ones. You are correct they do not have full 10x12 ceramic though.
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Old 10-15-2020, 2:03 PM
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The ceramic stops at least 2" from the edge of the plate. So these are really 6x8 plates. Its kind of false advertising. Really sneaky.
looks like 1/4" foam ring around the edge. (not 2")

buffman examines the ceramic strikeface a bit in this test
i believe it's 1/4" foam around the edges which makes the strikeface 9.5" X 11.5" (not 10x12) (the botach b steel plate is advertised as 9.5x11.5)

maybe buffman will chime in

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I just got my battle steel plates, can confirm. The foam edge is 1/8 inch to 1/4 at most. The problem is I cant tell where the ceramic coverage starts. Its either up to the edge of where the foam is, or it starts after that little raised portion. So the actual ceramic area is 9.5x11.5 or 9x11 from what I can tell. Its for sure not 8x10 or smaller.
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I have a level 3a for 100 bucks.
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I'd like to see the botach 3+ plates tested by buffman
4.25lbs and .8" thin, for $129
almost seems too good to be true
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I just got my battle steel plates, can confirm. The foam edge is 1/8 inch to 1/4 at most. The problem is I cant tell where the ceramic coverage starts. Its either up to the edge of where the foam is, or it starts after that little raised portion. So the actual ceramic area is 9.5x11.5 or 9x11 from what I can tell. Its for sure not 8x10 or smaller.
Thats reassuring. I just received this plate as well and was pleasantly surprised to see it does have a slight curve from top to bottom, so "triple curved" so to speak. Which is a great feature.
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I'd like to see the botach 3+ plates tested by buffman
4.25lbs and .8" thin, for $129
almost seems too good to be true
I've been trying for months for them to return my email. Maybe I'll try to get with LongFri directly..
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Anyone notice the reason why the LAPG and Botach plates are cheaper and lighter than other plates is probably because the ceramic does not take up the whole 10x12 plate? The ceramic stops at least 2" from the edge of the plate. So these are really 6x8 plates. Its kind of false advertising. Really sneaky.
Correct. They aren't the only ones that do this, but if a plate is generally lighter in it's category, look for them stating it has a full strike face. They "get away" with it because the NIJ spec calls for a MIN edge shot distance of 2". You can see in the LAPG thumbnail where I've outlined on the plate where the ceramic ends on the LAPG
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So the 10x12 are “6x8” ??? Hahah, suuuure. Pay for plates, get side plates ? Funny no one testing these ever notice. All I see is them stopping everything... even stuff they aren’t rated to stop. IMHO. Also makes zero sense if you look at the solid UHMWPE plates that are similarly dirt cheap
and stopping more than the rating...

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So the 10x12 are “6x8” ??? Hahah, suuuure. Pay for plates, get side plates ? Funny no one testing these ever notice. All I see is them stopping everything... even stuff they aren’t rated to stop. IMHO. Also makes zero sense if you look at the solid UHMWPE plates that are similarly dirt cheap
and stopping more than the rating...
Because most testing don't bother to go into the details

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Old 10-16-2020, 7:14 AM
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So start shooting the edges of those $99 plates, AND the edges of the $1200 plates
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Old 10-16-2020, 7:19 AM
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It is also not rocket science. Deconstruct a plate.

Just saying, how can you say there is a 6x8 ceramic surface inside a inexpensive plate if you pulled that statement out your butt? Do you work for Hesco? AHAHAHAHAH.

The are cheaper because they are made with imported material whether they are assembled here by Longfri or not.
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The 11x14 plate is $159 shouldn't this one be $1200 ???

https://botach.com/battle-steel-leve...-shooters-cut/
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Because most testing don't bother to go into the details
I've seen Mr. Guns and Gear reviews on Botach plates where he shoots the edge and it shows ceramic and also stops the round
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So start shooting the edges of those $99 plates, AND the edges of the $1200 plates
sure can, as soon as those $1200 plate companies offer one to me

Don't get me wrong, full strike face is the way to go, and that's what's in my carriers. Some vendors are moving away from reduced strike face setups and using better and lighter materials to come out close to = weight. I'm guessing this one stop until the NIJ starts requiring edge shots in testing protocols..

Also there may be some confusion here. I never said the 10x12 cheap plates only had 6x8 ceramic strike face. That was someone else. I was only pointing out that yes most of the cheaper plates have reduced strike faces, and you can generally use your finger to find out where the foam on your particular model starts/ends.

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Take a couple Battle Steel 11x14 III+ plates and put them in a BOTACH $15 carrier front and back. $335 setup. Compare them to a HESCO $1600 III+ (LARGE 3810) 10.25 x 13.25 setup. Shoot the center, up 7", and down 7" etc... right 5", left 5"... which one is a better value with better coverage?

That would piss off some people hahah, but get some views.
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Likely would. I've been trying to test Hesco stuff for quite some time, but they don't want to play ball, so I have to save up $$ to play..
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I never said the 10x12 cheap plates only had 6x8 ceramic strike face. That was someone else. I was only pointing out that yes most of the cheaper plates have reduced strike faces, and you can generally use your finger to find out where the foam on your particular model starts/ends.
For sure. Someone else pulled that measurement out of somewhere.

Your Botach level IV review clearly shows the healthy amount of coverage from the solid ceramic strike face in those plates. I have a few sets of those level IV.

That's a hell of a lot of protection for $99
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The ACTUAL measurement of the ceramic strike face on the BATTLE STEEL level IV is 9.75" x 11.5625

Anyone with a plate and a tape could tell you that. Why people make tish up, I have no idea.

I can also tell you that if these plates had an ACTUAL strike face that was 10"x12" and the foam edge to protect the ceramic... they would not fit in the Slicksters. SO, who makes the CERAMIC strike faces that are full 10x12 and what is the ACTUAL overall plate measurement ? Do they have any foam?

If you get a 10x12 plate, that is the plates overall measurements. I would expect cheater plates to either be smaller overall than advertised or have an unusually thick surround. Having some surround when ceramics are used is not cheating. it is a feature.

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Can't I just use a phone book taped to my chest & Back?
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Can't I just use a phone book taped to my chest & Back?
Sure, but use decent packing tape and measure the strike face first.

Hahah. Yeah, level IV plates are comparable to phone books if they are inexpensive level IV plates.

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What do you think of the HESCO level IV 4401 that start around $150 per plate?
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I took my Slickster and RMA 1092 plates to a match a while back.

IMO, the carrier and plates are comfortable (wore them for 2 day match) and the elastic cummerbund is a huge benefit when running around with mags clipped in.

I picked up the Ferro Concepts plates and the shooters cut plates do provide more flexibility so I put one in front, full RMA SAPI in back. I like it, overall.

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What do you think of the HESCO level IV 4401 that start around $150 per plate?
I have a set. Great plate. Only downside is not triple curve and slightly heavier by 1-1.5 pounds for similar plates but for the price, It just can’t be beat. Especially with the Hesco name behind it. All your threats are covered from M855 (which almost everybody has at this point) to .308 & 7.62x51 Fits great in my slicksters and JPC 2.0.
If 7.5lbs and single curve doesn’t bother you. This is THE perfect plate to get a rig going. We’re all built different so something heavy to me might be featherlight to others
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https://www.spiritussystems.com/micr...t-chassis-mk4/

Spiritus has Mk4s in stock for a while black and wolf gray.
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If 7.5lbs and single curve doesn’t bother you. This is THE perfect plate to get a rig going. We’re all built different so something heavy to me might be featherlight to others
Good info. I have a couple steel 8 pound plate x2 rigs, and one has side plates... I notice the weight A LOT compared to 5 pound eleven ounce plates. Are those 4401's a different type of ceramic or just MORE ceramic and no UHMWPE? Pretty hefty. Imported UHMWPE is definitely dirt cheap.
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Old 10-17-2020, 7:39 AM
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Take a couple Battle Steel 11x14 III+ plates and put them in a BOTACH $15 carrier front and back. $335 setup. Compare them to a HESCO $1600 III+ (LARGE 3810) 10.25 x 13.25 setup. Shoot the center, up 7", and down 7" etc... right 5", left 5"... which one is a better value with better coverage?
That would piss off some people hahah, but get some views.
I'd like to see that.

FWIW, I bought a set of the battle steel 11x14 3+ plates (for my coworker) it came to $366 with tax. They're 6lbs and surprisingly thin.
*Turns out even though my work buddy is 6'6" his torso is normal sized..so these are a wee bit too big for him.

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We're going to put these in the private sales forum and to try to get his $$ back. Do you think they'll sell?
Should i keep them? Thanks

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Old 10-17-2020, 9:25 PM
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In Stock at Brownells $135.99

RMA ARMAMENT, INC. - LEVEL IV HARD ARMOR PLATE SINGLE CURVE, Made in the U.S.A., Guaranteed. Forever.

https://www.brownells.com/shooting-a...s_1=In%2bStock

Material: Ceramic

NIJ Certified: 0101.06

Size: 10" x 12"

Weight: 8.3 lbs

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The RMA Armament Level IV Single-Curve Armor Plate takes body armor to the next level, providing wearers with the ability to survive impacts from high-velocity rifle rounds up to and including the .30-06 M2AP round. To provide this protection, the armor is built with a monolithic ceramic/polyethylene material, which measures 1 inch thick and weighs in at 8.3 pounds.
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