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Old 09-13-2019, 10:08 AM
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Default Buying AR15 in AZ

My buddy has an AR he wants to sell. I'm heading to AZ for an archery elk hunt tomorrow. Can I buy it in AZ and bring it home? Does it have to be shipped to an FFL here in CA? It's an older DPMS with a fixed handle top.
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Old 09-13-2019, 10:32 AM
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No you cannot buy a gun in Arizona if you are a CA resident. If you hold an FFL then some exceptions exist.
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Old 09-13-2019, 10:49 AM
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No you cannot buy a gun in Arizona if you are a CA resident. If you hold an FFL then some exceptions exist.
It would have to be made CA compliant(featureless or fixed mag) and go to an AZ FFL, who then then have to ship to a CA FFL to complete the transaction.

Be careful what ‘older’ DPMS he has as it is likely on the Roberto Roos banned list, and can’t be made CA compliant no matter what.
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Old 09-13-2019, 10:33 PM
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No you cannot buy a gun in Arizona if you are a CA resident. If you hold an FFL then some exceptions exist.
Not quite correct.

As an American citizen you can buy a gun in any state. As long as it is shipped to a FFL in the buyers state of residence for the actual "transfer" of the firearm. Cannot just buy and bring home since GCA-68.

Some firearms cannot be brought into CrapOfornia. Such as OFF ROSTER handguns, unless they are C&R. And various semi auto center fire rifles deemed assault weapons.
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Old 09-14-2019, 5:50 AM
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My buddy has an AR he wants to sell. I'm heading to AZ for an archery elk hunt tomorrow. Can I buy it in AZ and bring it home?
Nope.

For over 50 years, Federal laws have prohibited the transfer of firearms between residents of different States unless a FFL is utilized. [18 USC 922(a)(3)&(5)]
Failure to utilize a FFL equates to a Federal felony for everyone involved with the transfer. [18 USC 924(a)(1)(D)]

Federal laws have also prohibited a FFL from transferring a firearm to a non-resident, unless the firearm is a Title 1 Rifle or a Title 1 Shotgun and the transfer complies with the State laws of both the FFL and the non-resident. [18 USC 922(b)(3)]

CA laws prohibits a CA resident from importing a firearm, that they acquired while outside of CA, into CA without using a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27585(a)(1)]
Failure to utilize a CA FFL dealer equates to a misdemeanor per long gun and a felony per handgun. [PC 27590(a)&(c)(7)]


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Does it have to be shipped to an FFL here in CA?
Generally, yes.

Since you are a non-exempt CA resident, Federal and CA laws requires the transfer to be done through a CA FFL dealer.

Prior to importation into CA, the firearm must be modified to be CA legal.
^It can not be considered an assault weapon, DD, MG, SBR, SBS, silencer, or other generally prohibited weapon under CA laws.


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It's an older DPMS with a fixed handle top.
Some older DPMS AR style rifles are make/model banned as assault weapons and if it is make/model banned, then nothing can be done to make it CA legal. [11 CCR 5499(a)]

Make/model banned:
(make) DPMS (model) Panther
^If the receiver is marked/engraved "DPMS" and "Panther Arms", then is considered make/model banned.
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Old 09-14-2019, 6:05 AM
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No ffl required to ship to ffl here. Must be ca compliant or send to audiophile.
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Old 09-14-2019, 8:10 AM
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Buy the upper and build a lower here. $29 won't break your bank.

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Understand that you may not buy it in AZ and take it to a FFL in CA for transfer. It must be imported into CA by delivery to the CA FFL. It is up to the CA FFL if you may ship it from AZ to the CA FFL, but many will require it to be shipped to them through a AZ FFL. It isn't clear to me, but there is a question and some believe it must be CA legal before being shipped to the CA FFL. [You cannot ship a gun to the CA FFL and have it made legal by the FFL before delivery to you.]
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:22 AM
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Purchase firearm take delivery of upper and have buddy ship lower to your local ffl who will allow it.
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