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The Bush and Clinton families...... Destroying your rights for 5 Presidential terms.... And they're not finished yet.
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The Bush and Clinton families...... Destroying your rights for 5 Presidential terms.... And they're not finished yet.
I hope America is finally done with the Clinton/Bush Oligarchy please no more!

Trump has done a much better job so far, definitely not perfect but he is not the traitorous scum that is the Bush/Clintons!
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I strongly dislike the Bushes. Never liked any of them. Have only voted for them because the alternative was worse.
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If they were handled with due process of law, sure.

Haven't seen a red flag law yet that meets that bar.
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I’m sorry George W Bush never double crossed Gun owners and to link him with Clinton is wrong.
It’s also wrong and stupid to not judge each family member as an individual!

Jeb you made a really moronic statement, if a person is too dangerous to own a gun. That person should not be in society.
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No more Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, Obamas, Roosevelts, or Trumps.

In a nation of over 300 million people (that's 720 million women for Joe Biden), there has to be somebody else who's qualified to be a good President.
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In a nation of over 300 million people (that's 720 million women for Joe Biden), there has to be somebody else who's qualified to be a good President.
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there has to be somebody else who's qualified to be a good President.
IMO, the only person truly qualified to be a good president is the person who doesn't really want to be president, but does so out of necessity for the people and the country. Anybody who WANTS to be president is self serving to some degree, and that's not what our forefathers wanted for the office.

Unfortunately there is not a single politician out there today who isn't in it for the power and money, which is part of why our society is such a mess now, and definitely why we're so divided as a nation. It's all corrupt and until the people stand up and say we've had enough, it'll only get worse.

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Bush sucked, just like all the other neoconservatives. No surprise his brother is a dumb fudd also.

The mainstream Republican Party sucks because they play by the lefts rules. George Bush, Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, etc. all those guys are awful.

Trump is new Republican Party, and much better in my opinion. I want to see an aggressive, populist, realistic Republican Party and thats much more likely with trump.
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No more ...or Trumps.

In a nation of over 300 million people (that's 720 million women for Joe Biden), there has to be somebody else who's qualified to be a good President.
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The only problem I had with George Bush is that it seems his national guard plane was always in reverse when he had to take off. we wanted someone to come in and not do the expected and trump seems to have done that to everyone. the only good candidates ran for the border a long time ago.
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We are not a monarchy. We do not have royalty. Kennedys, Clintons, Obamas, etc behave as if they were royalty. Even the UK doesn't have children and wives and grandchildren of Prime Ministers become Prime Ministers, nor does France, nor does Germany, etc. Canada is the only exception and, interestingly enough, that Justin fellow might actually be Fidel Castro's son and not Pierre's. His mother was a real interesting and wild woman.

But back to the point, for example, one of the Kennedys is running against a perfectly loyal Democratic Senator from Massachusetts. I don't like the Senator, but the only qualification the Kennedy really has is his name and heritage. Odds are he'll be the least qualified Senator from Massachusetts since John F. Kennedy and his brother Teddy.

Anyone you know would have made a better President than that psychotic woman who taught her daughter to call Secret Service protection agents "pigs". I'm talking about Hillary and yes that comes from entitlement as a member of American Royalty.
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Im sorry George W Bush never double crossed Gun owners and to link him with Clinton is wrong.
Its also wrong and stupid to not judge each family member as an individual!

Jeb you made a really moronic statement, if a person is too dangerous to own a gun. That person should not be in society.
Bush appointed Roberts, who is the weakest link for pro 2A decisions. So he did worse where it matters than Trump.
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Bush appointed Roberts, who is the weakest link for pro 2A decisions. So he did worse where it matters than Trump.
Before Trump George W Bush was one of the best Presidents in my lifetime . That said after Trump George W Bush looks like a RINO CHUMP ! His Dad gave us judge Thomas who has been a solid hero !

I read this GOP bashing and look at how Californians compare to free states and it makes me sick to think the GOP has registration in the 28 % range. All those hot shot" 20 some % libertarians" and "Independents" have fallen for democrat propaganda and its why we have ZERO chance of liberty in this state.

Sadly theses same illiterate snapper head s who go to the democrat media and are too smart to register republican will repeat these same tactics when moving to a current free state's and the slide towards a disarmed citizenry continues !
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Please explain.
Biden said he will get jobs for 720 million women !
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Biden said he will get jobs for 720 million women !
I keep advocating for the immigration of hundreds of thousands of Swedish bikini models but only Biden agrees.

I'd switch parties to vote for Biden in the California Primary but President Trump might need my help against ... um ... whatisname.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/u...t-weapons.html

He urged his HUD director to ban firearms in all HUD housing projects. And signed CSLA of 2005.

GW was at best "wishy washy" on 2A issues. I had high hopes when he was elected. Was sadly disappointed in his record of same.
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He urged his HUD director to ban firearms in all HUD housing projects. And signed CSLA of 2005.

GW was at best "wishy washy" on 2A issues. I had high hopes when he was elected. Was sadly disappointed in his record of same.

Friends here is man who believes stories printed in the New York Times ! ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!
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We are not a monarchy. We do not have royalty. Kennedys, Clintons, Obamas, etc behave as if they were royalty. Even the UK doesn't have children and wives and grandchildren of Prime Ministers become Prime Ministers, nor does France, nor does Germany, etc. Canada is the only exception and, interestingly enough, that Justin fellow might actually be Fidel Castro's son and not Pierre's. His mother was a real interesting and wild woman.

But back to the point, for example, one of the Kennedys is running against a perfectly loyal Democratic Senator from Massachusetts. I don't like the Senator, but the only qualification the Kennedy really has is his name and heritage. Odds are he'll be the least qualified Senator from Massachusetts since John F. Kennedy and his brother Teddy.

Anyone you know would have made a better President than that psychotic woman who taught her daughter to call Secret Service protection agents "pigs". I'm talking about Hillary and yes that comes from entitlement as a member of American Royalty.
Thank you for the explanation, but you specifically mentioned Trump. Wasn't sure why he got lumped in with the rest of them.
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Thank you for the explanation, but you specifically mentioned Trump. Wasn't sure why he got lumped in with the rest of them.
Do you understand the 1st word in his screen name ?Simple !
As in easily influenced and easily tricked !

To judge a person by who is parents are is really the mentality of simpleton ! we all know of family's where one is a brain dead liberal and the other is a fact finding republican, who loves American Liberty .
Just saying.
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Thank you for the explanation, but you specifically mentioned Trump. Wasn't sure why he got lumped in with the rest of them.
Why? Because while I like Don Jr., we are not a monarchy. Stop the election of royalty. This is a Republic.

I thought Ronald Reagan was great but nobody sane wants Ronald Reagan Jr as President. It's important to be consistent. Create exceptions and you get FDR being elected to four terms, the last election while he was a virtual corpse.
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Why? Because while I like Don Jr., we are not a monarchy. Stop the election of royalty. This is a Republic.

I thought Ronald Reagan was great but nobody sane wants Ronald Reagan Jr as President. It's important to be consistent. Create exceptions and you get FDR being elected to four terms, the last election while he was a virtual corpse.
I really am having trouble understanding why you would reject a person who has the views you like because he is blood relation is to someone once in office.

While you are concerned about a monarchy. This would be a good time to reflect how men and women, far superior in knowledge and courage shed blood to defeat a savage monarchy.

The very fact America is based on individual worth can be proved by the constitutional protection of NO Corruption of Blood.

Because the founders of America did not put you're concern in the constitution, means they like us believe every person is to judged by merit.

You sort of proved that with the Ron Reagan Jr comment. While Ron Reagan was a patriot who loved America, his son is or was a useless doofus !
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I really am having trouble understanding why you would reject a person who has the views you like because he is blood relation is to someone once in office.

While you are concerned about a monarchy. This would be a good time to reflect how men and women, far superior in knowledge and courage shed blood to defeat a savage monarchy.

The very fact America is based on individual worth can be proved by the constitutional protection of NO Corruption of Blood.

Because the founders of America did not put you're concern in the constitution, means they like us believe every person is to judged by merit.

You sort of proved that with the Ron Reagan Jr comment. While Ron Reagan was a patriot who loved America, his son is or was a useless doofus !

There's too much nepotism in politics and too much elitism. Somebody's father/husband/wife was a President/Senator/Congressman so that gives them name recognition and a leg up on more qualified people. Somebody went to an Ivy league school so that makes them extra eligible to be a Deep State nimrod. It's those elites who are leaking from within the Trump Administration, not some nobody from Boise State.

I never said it's illegal to consider someone such as Don Jr.. He does have to prove he's better than the other candidates. I'm just skeptical of anyone who wants to do a "Hillary Clinton" or "Evita" or "Kennedy son/grandson". Perhaps Don Jr will be the exception to the rule and because he is hated by the Left and the Never-Trumpers, he'll have a tough row to hoe. I wish him luck just because he'll p*ss off the Left which is well worth while. Newt never could become President but he constantly p*ssed off the Left.

It's just that we have had too many idiot children in Congress and the Presidency and too many fawning foot kissing, all on the left, of anyone named Kennedy or Clinton or Obama. My better 40% takes People magazine and it's propaganda for the Left and the entertainment industry. (Most of the women aren't even that good looking, which I don't understand.)

Honest to God, some people were talking about Chelsea Clinton running for office. All she's done is give expensive talks about diarrhea in Africa and an expensive door stop for NBC or whoever she got a bunch of money for being a Clinton.

And don't get me talking about "Evita" Obama.
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There's too much nepotism in politics and too much elitism. Somebody's father/husband/wife was a President/Senator/Congressman so that gives them name recognition and a leg up on more qualified people. Somebody went to an Ivy league school so that makes them extra eligible to be a Deep State nimrod. It's those elites who are leaking from within the Trump Administration, not some nobody from Boise State.

I never said it's illegal to consider someone such as Don Jr.. He does have to prove he's better than the other candidates. I'm just skeptical of anyone who wants to do a "Hillary Clinton" or "Evita" or "Kennedy son/grandson". Perhaps Don Jr will be the exception to the rule and because he is hated by the Left and the Never-Trumpers, he'll have a tough row to hoe. I wish him luck just because he'll p*ss off the Left which is well worth while. Newt never could become President but he constantly p*ssed off the Left.

It's just that we have had too many idiot children in Congress and the Presidency and too many fawning foot kissing, all on the left, of anyone named Kennedy or Clinton or Obama. My better 40% takes People magazine and it's propaganda for the Left and the entertainment industry. (Most of the women aren't even that good looking, which I don't understand.)

Honest to God, some people were talking about Chelsea Clinton running for office. All she's done is give expensive talks about diarrhea in Africa and an expensive door stop for NBC or whoever she got a bunch of money for being a Clinton.

And don't get me talking about "Evita" Obama.
All true and of course influential parents nearly always obtain favors for their children.

I see no problem electing people from the same family if the person shares the views I believe are in our best interest.
The Clintons were never worthy of my vote and if not for a pathetic, sympathetic media, William Bylthe would never have been elected to anything and his evil wife and moron kid would be living life unknown .

I do like John Adams and son John Quincy Adams and would have voted for both on merits.
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Here is a man who doesn't believe anything printed in a paper he doesn't agree with. Even when they quote NRA BoD members.

https://www.ontheissues.org/George_W...un_Control.htm

GW was not a "staunch supporter" of 2A. Wishy Washy at best.

School gun free zones of 300 yds....................FOR

No guns in HUD residential housing.................FOR

CSLA of 2005.............................................. .FOR

Extending 1994 AW ban.................................FOR

Ban import of HiCap mags..............................FOR
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https://www.ontheissues.org/George_W...un_Control.htm

GW was not a "staunch supporter" of 2A. Wishy Washy at best.

School gun free zones of 300 yds....................FOR

No guns in HUD residential housing.................FOR

CSLA of 2005.............................................. .FOR

Extending 1994 AW ban.................................FOR

Ban import of HiCap mags..............................FOR

Link didn't open and its a 100% certainty Tom De Lay would not consider bringing an AW ban to the floor. Meaning smart people knew he could pander to the very stupid and favor it.

Fact is with a dumbed down population, sometimes pandering is a good election tactic.
Sheesh he was running against ALGORE and nearly lost ! Imagine having that dunce as POTUS !

Based on some of the info you post Im curious if you like SNOPES or fact check .org ?
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I'm willing to be open minded enough to not allow myself to become a drone. I read a lot, I accept or deny sources depending on my own confirmation of facts. I'm also a LIFETIME CRPA member, as well as a NRA LIFER since 1979, and member since 1973.

I don't simply follow. I know Bush was "wishy washy" because I saw it unfold first hand. I'll edit the below post for clarity using bolded facts.

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Here is a man who doesn't believe anything printed in a paper he doesn't agree with. Even when they quote NRA BoD members.

https://www.ontheissues.org/George_W...un_Control.htm

GW was not a "staunch supporter" of 2A. Wishy Washy at best.

School gun free zones of 300 yds....................FOR....ENACTED

No guns in HUD residential housing.................FOR....ENACTED, then overthrown in court.

CSLA of 2005.............................................. .FOR....ENACTED

Extending 1994 AW ban.................................FOR....Promised to sign, but it didn't pass congress.

Ban import of HiCap mags..............................FOR....ENACTED
Bush could have been much more supportive of 2A. But chose not to. He also could have been worse. Hence;

"WISHY WASHY"
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Anyone could be better to an enthusiastic RKBA supporter !

For my info he was nothing short of great! Every cabinet pick was a decent sportsman,liberty loving patriot! His Ann Veneman re-opened Burro shooting park.
The lovely Gail Norton of interior was a hunter and opened fed land.

Of course John Bolton telling the UN to shove it ! Had me cheering as did his rejection of the Law of the sea treaty !

I have many more examples of why W made me proud I supported him.

I do lament he kept quiet during 8 years of Barry sotero and then made a fool of himself when President Trump got elected!

Since he criticized Trump he has fallen from the top 5 best president s IMHO !

It’s important to note that none of my information came from a sworn enemy to RKBA! We flat out do not watch,read or listen to them .

I do thank you Brother for you’re commitment to liberty by being a life member in both CRPA and NRA!
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