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Old 10-18-2018, 3:58 AM
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7.62 x 39 does not make sense for a bolt action rifle.
Doesn’t make sense in any rifle.
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Old 10-18-2018, 8:58 AM
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Those who shoot from a bench are typically looking for accuracy. Depending upon your skillset, .308 will get you better accuracy more easily at distance.
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Old 10-18-2018, 9:42 AM
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For 200 yard paper punching I can think of a few more entertaining choices.

.22lr subsonic out of a bolt gun. A nice CZ or Savage will get you out to 200 easily and it will feel like you are shooting out to 600-800 depending on wind. At 5c a round you cannot get much cheaper.

9mm carbine. I shoot my 9mm carbines out to 150 yards with a red dot off hand. Not easy but will ring 10" plates. From a bench I have no problem lobbing them out too 200-300 yards. As little as 18cpr factory.

Stick with 5.56/223. SO much nicer to shoot and will be good to 600 yards. 200 is easy.

I like 7.62x39 as a defensive urban round. It will work out to 200 yards but not really intended for tight groups. My first long range gun was an SLR-95 that I used to shoot out to 200 yards and it was fun with iron sights.

.308 is just not something I want to bother with in a long range gun. It is expensive for a 200 yard paper shooter and recoil pushed into the annoying but tolerable level of shooting. It is why I have no rifles in 308 even though I have considered an AR10 a few times. I just cannot see the need for one even on my 10 acre range. If I want to lay down lead I run 308 beltfeds.

Just my opinion. Some would argue I am recoil sensitive but I just want to enjoy shooting as much as possible without getting bumped around.

My main point is if you buy something that is way too easy to shoot you will get bored. 308 at 200 yards is not only expensive but way too much. I don;t shoot my 6.5cm below 500 yards and it is mostly shot at 900+. At 200 I am only using a magnified scope on my 22lr and everything else is just red dots or irons. Now if you go x39 or 308 with irons only that could be fun. I shoot my 556 AR out to 150 with irons and it gets difficult.
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Old 10-18-2018, 10:02 AM
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Old 10-18-2018, 10:05 AM
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Doesn’t make sense in any rifle.
It's a notoriously ineffective round that hasn't killed very many people in combat.
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It's a notoriously ineffective round that hasn't killed very many people in combat.
Yeah and you can't even hit the broad side of a barn with it anyway. Plus the bullet is so heavy which makes it lose so much velocity, you have to aim higher than the target so that the bullet falls into it.

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Yeah and you can't even hit the broad side of a barn with it anyway. Plus the bullet is so heavy which makes it lose so much velocity, you have to aim higher than the target so that the bullet falls into it.

Damn commies
It also has a terrible case that would never be used as the basis of several highly accurate rifle chamberings.
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Old 10-18-2018, 1:55 PM
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Those who shoot from a bench are typically looking for accuracy. Depending upon your skillset, .308 will get you better accuracy more easily at distance.
^^^^^This^^^^^
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7.62 x 39 does not make sense for a bolt action rifle.
I have one of those Spanish small ring Mausers with a new .308 barrel... was saving it to install a chamber insert and shoot 7.62x39 out of it, but I'd rather have a CZ of course.

The CZ Single Set trigger is amazing. I do wonder what ammo I'd end up shooting though. My stash is good for my SKS, but I would not count on it being accurate in a new CZ. Anyone shoot the steel case fodder though one, or is that just blasphemy?
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Old 10-18-2018, 2:49 PM
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I have one of those Spanish small ring Mausers with a new .308 barrel... was saving it to install a chamber insert and shoot 7.62x39 out of it, but I'd rather have a CZ of course.

The CZ Single Set trigger is amazing. I do wonder what ammo I'd end up shooting though. My stash is good for my SKS, but I would not count on it being accurate in a new CZ. Anyone shoot the steel case fodder though one, or is that just blasphemy?

The CZ is designed for steel cased ammo. In fact, it could choke on brass.

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You x39 guys are just out-ranged man. Shooting ain’t THAT much fun. Ultimately you shoot to train in death dealing. That is what rifles do best and the further out you can deal, the brighter your future shall be.
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You x39 guys are just out-ranged man. Shooting ain’t THAT much fun. Ultimately you shoot to train in death dealing. That is what rifles do best and the further out you can deal, the brighter your future shall be.
This is the exact opposite of the reality of infantry combat over the past 100 years.
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Old 10-18-2018, 9:20 PM
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Doesn’t make sense in any rifle.
If I had to fight house to house in Moscow, an AK might not be a bad choice.
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Plinking? x39
Precision: 308
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I have a Zastava M85. I bought it because I had 10 guns that shoot 7.62 COMBLOCK and thousands of rounds in that caliber. In one of the strangest coincidences I had it shipped to my home based FFL. He'd never seen a bolt action in that round but also had a CZ 527 come in the same day so I got to look at that one too.

Long story short: buy the CZ 527!
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Old 10-19-2018, 11:08 AM
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For 200 yard paper punching I can think of a few more entertaining choices.

.22lr subsonic out of a bolt gun. A nice CZ or Savage will get you out to 200 easily and it will feel like you are shooting out to 600-800 depending on wind. At 5c a round you cannot get much cheaper.
I get bored with punching paper but I do have gongs in 2, 3 and 4" sizes. At my skill level, hitting them at 100 yards with a bolt .22lr from a tripod sitting on the ground, sitting on a stool or standing and doing it consistently is a challenge and a good, inexpensive skill building exercise, especially if there's a breeze.

And as audiophil2 points out, it's also cheap. Really cheap.
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Old 10-19-2018, 11:25 AM
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You x39 guys are just out-ranged man. Shooting ain’t THAT much fun. Ultimately you shoot to train in death dealing. That is what rifles do best and the further out you can deal, the brighter your future shall be.
I have seven .308's - I only have the one SKS. I would still like a 7.62x39 bolt gun even though it is ranged out. Doesn't mean I will drop $1200 on a CZ setup, but I still want one. That set trigger
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The Howa mini-action is $400-ish.
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Old 10-19-2018, 2:36 PM
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I have seven .308's - I only have the one SKS. I would still like a 7.62x39 bolt gun even though it is ranged out. Doesn't mean I will drop $1200 on a CZ setup, but I still want one. That set trigger
Don't know where you get your numbers, I got my CZ 527 for $600.

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Don't know where you get your numbers, I got my CZ 527 for $600.
Well I can get one all setup for around $900 with a scope but if I bought one here with Diamondback scope and nice mount/rings. I was quoted $675 for a new one... so adding glass it would be whatever you want to pay to be able to shoot it. I was thinking mount, rings, decent scope. But I actually have a SWFA I could put on it.

$1144 would be my cost with tax and dros if I used a $260 Black Friday scope THAT's where I got the pricing
(Added $100 for mount rings which is pretty reasonable I think)

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Well I can get one all setup for around $900 with a scope but if I bought one here with Diamondback scope and nice mount/rings. I was quoted $675 for a new one... so adding glass it would be whatever you want to pay to be able to shoot it. I was thinking mount, rings, decent scope. But I actually have a SWFA I could put on it.

$1144 would be my cost with tax and dros if I used a $260 Black Friday scope THAT's where I got the pricing
(Added $100 for mount rings which is pretty reasonable I think)
No need for a scope with this rifle.
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No need for a scope with this rifle.
OK. Didn't even consider that... to be honest the one I checked out already had a scope on it and I did not notice any irons. I was overwhelmed by the trigger.
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Old 10-19-2018, 4:53 PM
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Phew... better turn my carbine into a tomato stake.
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Get the HOWA mini 1500 in 7.62x39 or the 6.5 grendel(shoot out to 700).
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308 in my opinion is easier to reload for
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