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Old 04-11-2021, 6:47 AM
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Default Utah vs. Nevada for multi-state?

I have two trainers near me offering multi-state. One teaches Utah, the other teaches Nevada.

Looking on the USCCA maps, the coverage differences are obvious, for example Washington, or no Washington.

They are both 5 years. I don't see any standout process differences.

Is there any other reason one of them has an advantage?
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Old 04-11-2021, 7:03 AM
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The UT permit is less expensive at $63.95 compared to NV at $97.00. Back when I had my NV non-resident permit you had to apply in person at a Sheriff or PD location and the training had to be done at a location there. I did mine at The Gun Store in Vegas and then you had to go to the LVPD fingerprint facility to get fingerprinted and you picture taken for Clark county which Vegas is in (and there is a separate cost for this. You'll have to check with them to see if that's still required. UT you can do everything by mail.
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The UT permit is less expensive at $63.95 compared to NV at $97.00. Back when I had my NV non-resident permit you had to apply in person at a Sheriff or PD location and the training had to be done at a location there. I did mine at The Gun Store in Vegas and then you had to go to the LVPD fingerprint facility to get fingerprinted and you picture taken for Clark county which Vegas is in (and there is a separate cost for this. You'll have to check with them to see if that's still required. UT you can do everything by mail.
The Nevada guy claims to provide everything needed, will collect the background check information, and collect fingerprints onto cards during the session. This is an established and well liked business.
I'm not that excited about giving my fingerprints to a private entity, but if he's sending physical cards, I'm ok with it.
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The Nevada guy claims to provide everything needed, will collect the background check information, and collect fingerprints onto cards during the session. This is an established and well liked business.
I'm not that excited about giving my fingerprints to a private entity, but if he's sending physical cards, I'm ok with it.
No, you would still need to go to the Sheriff’s office to apply for the permit.


Do UT and be done with it all via mail. AZ is even faster if you don’t have that already.

Unless you frequent NV a lot, no need to get the NV non-resident permit.
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The Nevada guy claims to provide everything needed, will collect the background check information, and collect fingerprints onto cards during the session. This is an established and well liked business.
I'm not that excited about giving my fingerprints to a private entity, but if he's sending physical cards, I'm ok with it.
Nevada laws/regulations requires the applicant to submit the NV CCW application in person with the NV issuing agency that approved the NV CCW trainer you utilized.

During the application submission process, the NV issuing agency will take the applicant's picture and fingerprints.
^NV laws requires fingerprints to be taken by an authorized employee of the NV issuing agency. [NRS 202.3657 (7)(b)]

In addition, each NV issuing agency has a list of CCW trainers that they have approved and will not accept a CCW training certificate from a non-approved trainer.
^What may be approved in one county, may not be approved in other counties.
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Utah. As said above, you would need to go to Nevada to apply for your license. Utah and Arizona are really easy.
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Get both. It is not an either or proposition. I have had both for years and it is worth the time and effort to do so. Like Quiet stated above you will need to go to Nevada to get a Nevada CCW, however, it is well worth it IMO!
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Get both. It is not an either or proposition. I have had both for years and it is worth the time and effort to do so. Like Quiet stated above you will need to go to Nevada to get a Nevada CCW, however, it is well worth it IMO!
Why? Nevada recognizes Utah permit. So, what is the benefit for me to have Nevada one specifically? ( leaving aside some other states that recognize Nevada permit and do not recognize Utah's ( if there are any ))
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Utah is going to constitutional carry next month. Don't know how that will affect any multi state issues...
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Utah is going to constitutional carry next month. Don't know how that will affect any multi state issues...
Moot point, will have no issue on what other states do in regards to recognition/reciprocity of the Utah CFP.
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I have two trainers near me offering multi-state. One teaches Utah, the other teaches Nevada.

Looking on the USCCA maps, the coverage differences are obvious, for example Washington, or no Washington.

They are both 5 years. I don't see any standout process differences.

Is there any other reason one of them has an advantage?
Take the Utah class and get your Utah CFP and Arizona CWP by mail and don't worry about Nevada, their permit is inferior to both UT & AZ.
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Why? Nevada recognizes Utah permit. So, what is the benefit for me to have Nevada one specifically? ( leaving aside some other states that recognize Nevada permit and do not recognize Utah's ( if there are any ))
Because Nevada will always recognize their own permit. Recognition and reciprocity is a dynamic issue and changes frequently. This way you never need to worry about which states Nevada will or will not recognize.
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Moot point, will have no issue on what other states do in regards to recognition/reciprocity of the Utah CFP.
My point is that nobody will need a Utah CFP anymore. Why would they continue to issue permits?
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My point is that nobody will need a Utah CFP anymore. Why would they continue to issue permits?
For reciprocity if one is out of state.

Plus, if one has AZ only, you don’t get Washington state.

And don’t forget, constitutional carry doesn’t exempt someone from Federal GSFZ unless with a valid state permit.
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Because Nevada will always recognize their own permit. Recognition and reciprocity is a dynamic issue and changes frequently. This way you never need to worry about which states Nevada will or will not recognize.
From that point of view, yes. I guess if one travels a lot it could be beneficial to have CL from the state you are in.
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Also worth noting that NV and Arizona have some kind of beef sometimes when it comes to reciprocity. It has changed a few times in the last 10 years. And as NV turns more and more blue, id expect things to change again soon.

Get UT. More states (GA too), mail in application, plus the AZ reciprocity issues. The only reason to get an NV ccw is if you live in NV.
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My point is that nobody will need a Utah CFP anymore. Why would they continue to issue permits?
You shouldnt talk if you dont know why most people get permits in there states. Most states, if you have a chl. You bypass the background check. When purchasing a weapon.. like utah non resident and resident can buy a weapon and have a nice day.. minus non resident needs to transfer to there state ffl. The instructor for utah stated in my class (he is on this forum) for non resident you can purchase a pistol but it has to be cali. complaint and shipped to an ffl. So just cuz a state does consutitonal carry. People still want permits to bypass the background. Also constitutional carry in most states. If your 1000ft from a school its illegal.. If you have your CHL, youre exempted from that 1000ft law

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Why many permits?

1- because we can
2- it helps the states with higher numbers
But really it’s #3

Should I end up in a shooting
Should I end up in court
Should the DA end up looking at a case

Well I want things on my side. Here are 1,2 or 3 states that issued me a CCW saying - yeah - we checked the background and training - they are a stand up person and can have a permit.
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Any current news on how long UT non resident permits are taking ? My debit card shows debit on April 12. Curious.
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Mine was right on the 60 day mark. Maybe 5 weeks at most.
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Got mine yesterday 5/21. Lady still waiting for hers. We mailed out our applications march 24. April 9 checks were cashed.
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Understood. Thanks for the feedback. Molon Labe.
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I am still learning, so I may have much opportunity for gaining understanding and I welcome suggestions...it's my understanding that the CA ccw is recognized in many states, and that the non-resident licenses are actually not observed in some states; at present the Utah/Arizona non-resident permits only add 5/6 states, respectively.

Utah is now a constitutional carry state & Nevada will recognize either the Utah or the Arizona non-resident permits!

The CA permit actually gives me the ability to carry in the places I travel to most frequently outside of CA. But, I'm going to apply for the AZ permit, for ease and length of permit (5yrs).

And, as HermosaBeach said:
"Should I end up in a shooting...end up in court...I want things on my side. Here are 1,2 or 3 states that issued me a CCW saying - yeah - we checked the background and training - they are a stand up person and can have a permit."
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If you travel to Nevada on a regular basis then it is worth the effort to get the Nevada permit. I was in Las Vegas last weekend and instead of worrying about which non-resident permit they accept/don't accept I simply brought it with me. Since I have a California CCW I crossed state line and was covered on either side. No fuss no muss. Spend the time and effort to get it!
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Utah is now a constitutional carry state & Nevada does not recognize either the Utah nor the Arizona non-resident permits!
Not sure where you got this from but that’s FUD:

https://rccd.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/gs...2%20(002)B.pdf

Also, there is sometimes feuds where NV does or doesn’t recognize AZ. In any case, if you’re traveling to NV often, get their permit instead, as BJ said above.

UT and AZ cover most of what you want.
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Not sure where you got this from but that’s FUD:

https://rccd.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/gs...2%20(002)B.pdf

Also, there is sometimes feuds where NV does or doesn’t recognize AZ. In any case, if you’re traveling to NV often, get their permit instead, as BJ said above.

UT and AZ cover most of what you want.

Not "fud", my guy. It was a mistake; I was reading FL (Florida's) statutes next to a window with NV and became confused.

Thanks for pointing it out. I'll remove the incorrect information from my post.
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Not "fud", my guy. It was a mistake; I was reading FL (Florida's) statutes next to a window with NV and became confused.

Thanks for pointing it out. I'll remove the incorrect information from my post.
No worries. Didn’t mean to sound snarky.

Good you’re researching permits’ reciprocity as one should when traveling.
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