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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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Any arrests/legal problems in your past?
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Past r.o on son father. Police called to de escalate a problem. Family i live with tried to grow. I've had my license to grow but I didnt smoke then or now.
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Could be a bunch of stuff, without more detail, we would be pissing in the wind..
Age, Criminal History, Citizenship Status, Orders of protection, Mental Adjudication, Weed use...a crap ton of potential reasons. |
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Yeah, no wonder they told you that you weren't eligible. Plus, at this point I'm wondering why you haven't posted that they also confiscated your guns.
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it doesn't really matter what anyone here thinks about MJ. The fact remains it is federally illegal, and it would not surprise us if the IA used anything related to MJ as disqualifying. Depending on the details MJ stuff might make you disqualified from even buying/owning a firearm. IA won't issue a permit to carry an illegally owned firearm. You asked for a reason, and from the few details you provided, this seems the most likely reason.
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Wait. Did you just admit something?
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I was interpreting “illegally owned” as having been purchased by lying on the 4473.
But if the gun is not registered in OP’s name that certainly could cause a problem.
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You were denied a concealed weapons license, not the right to own a firearm. Just because I believe wholeheartedly that everybody that's a law abiding citizen should own a firearm, that doesn't mean I think that most of them should be running around the street with one because they have a license. Just your level of emotion on here regarding this shows me you would probably escalate rather than deescalate a situation that could potentially turn into something much bigger
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To the OP - I think if you were/are growing drugs and had a permit to do so thats pretty clearly the reason. If you have been involved with the police in anyway I'm pretty sure that hurts your chances tremendously from what I have read. Last edited by Casoobaru; 06-12-2021 at 11:48 AM.. |
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‘Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?’
Doesn't sound like "did you smoke pot years ago as a minor?" or "Did you get a permit a long time ago to use medical marijuna, which is long expired?" to me. Doesn't mean the firearm is "illegally owned". Still may certainly be grounds for denying a CCW permit. |
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It even applies to a person who never used marijuana, but obtained a medical marijuana card for other reasons. Because of the Federal prohibitions regarding firearms/ammunition and marijuana, a person can be denied a State CCW permit for not being eligible to obtain the CCW permit due to not being able to legally own/possess firearms/ammunition.
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California is still a "May Issue" state primarily at the whim of the sheriff. OP may absolutely have been denied based on having a card in the past. But that doesn't make their current ownership of a firearm illegal or mean they lied on background check. |
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Anyone who uses MJ regularly should never be issued a CCW. You made the choice to do so and now you must accept the consequences of that choice. Carry pepper spray!
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Would/should that also apply to anyone who ever uses any alcoholic beverage?
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Under CA's may issue CCW system, being a habitual alcoholic can get you denied due to not being a person of good moral character. Under NV's shall issue CCW system, being a habitual alcoholic can get you denied and/or having your permit revoked. ^NV determines this if you have been arrested for any alcohol related crime within 5 years or have gone into rehab within 5 years or if someone reports you as a habitual alcoholic within 5 years. On Federal level... Difference between the two is how Federal laws treats them. One is a Schedule 1 controlled substance and the other is not. Until, the Federal laws change on how one of them is treated, they are not the same. It's interesting to note that anti-gun proponents are pro-legalization on the State level, but anti-legalization on the Federal level. This is done on purpose, because it causes those who use it legally on a State level to be considered a prohibited person on the Federal level and Federal enforcement can then be utilized to legally confiscate firearms/ammunition from those persons.
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MJ card = not eligible. Admission of illegal drug use = not eligible. Treatment for depression = serious red flag. Interesting conundrum, under "shall issue" would this thread even exist?
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There is no case law or ruling that past use is disqualifying. Multiple people seem to be struggling with this. The question is not "Are you now or have you ever been". |
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"May issue" is the question and the Sheriff has decided that the OP isn't eligible for the stated reasons. I support the Sheriff's reasoning and reasons because the OP shows a lack of judgement in regard to the things mentioned. It is that lack of judgement that causes the Sheriff to determine that the OP isn't eligible, not any ongoing use of MJ or having a currently valid MJ growers card.
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Big Jake
Anyone who uses MJ regularly should never be issued a CCW. I'm curious on your opinion and thoughts about people who regularly drink. Do you feel the same way about them that you do about people who smoke marijuana? |
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