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Old 12-08-2022, 4:09 PM
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Default Defeat body armor

Basic 5 things really aren't helpful.

Assuming one is faced with aggressors clad in body armor and do not have access to fancy weapons.

Primary weapon is AR15(5.56) or AR10 (308) and handguns ... I suggest head shots since most helmets are only rated for pistols rounds. Followed by leg shots to bring them down - leg armor is not very common.

Once they are down go for keister shots or head/shoulder with angles into the body.

Side shots are not a bad idea since side plates will be not overly common.

In a pinch sustained fire at center of mass might eventually penetrate or produce sufficient amounts of spalling to end the encounter.

Have not seen such tactics discussed and YMMV.

Curious to hear reasonable options.

For educational and hypothetical purposes only, naturally
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Old 12-08-2022, 4:18 PM
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Head and groin area.... but you are really thinking into this too much.
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Old 12-08-2022, 4:50 PM
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I'm thinking for closer ranges 12ga buckshot to the face and pelvis would be not unreasonable.
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Old 12-08-2022, 5:16 PM
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Drugs and Armor Protocol. Two to hip joint (pelvic/femur joint) results in mechanical immobilzation. One to the head to ...well you know...
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And don’t forget that a knife can penetrate body armor. Just sayin
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Old 12-08-2022, 5:31 PM
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Drugs and Armor Protocol. Two to hip joint (pelvic/femur joint) results in mechanical immobilzation. One to the head to ...well you know...
Years ago I was in a training session and the instructors recommended a shot to the pelvic area to stop a threat. Their words “Let the bullet bounce off the pelvic bone awhile”.
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Old 12-08-2022, 5:35 PM
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I know what defeats body armor every time. The M2 flame thrower.
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Old 12-08-2022, 6:40 PM
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I know what defeats body armor every time. The M2 flame thrower.
I was thinking of a mad Max truck outfitted with a spiked snow slow... with a M2!

But seriously? Steel core 8mm Mauser rounds?
Heavy ball 7.62x54R? I feel like the older stuff might work better here...
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Old 12-08-2022, 8:47 PM
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Mozambique Drill, aka failure to stop drill or failure drill. Commonly taught 2 to the chest one to the head. It was developed to deal with both drugged up and/or armored opponents. Quick double-tap to center mass, if the person isn't dead then they are at least stunned and likely down, giving you time to take a well aimed shot to the head.
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Yes, body armor will stop a .30 '06 at close range. But the shock wave will still break your ribs and send the bone fragments through your heart and lungs.
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Old 12-08-2022, 9:59 PM
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Ice pick.
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Like the song says- "head shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes...."
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Like the song says- "head shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes...."
OP.
Sounds like the North Hollywood style shootout from years ago.
One of the bad guys got taken out at the knees and the rest was history... so to speak. The other guy died of a self inflected gunshot wound to the head... through the jaw.


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Aim for the pelvis for a mobility kill. When I was in the Corps, they taught us the failure drill which was two in the chest one in the head, except were taught to go for the pelvis on the third shot instead of the head for armored targets.
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Basic 5 things really aren't helpful.

Assuming one is faced with aggressors clad in body armor and do not have access to fancy weapons.

Primary weapon is AR15(5.56) or AR10 (308) and handguns ... I suggest head shots since most helmets are only rated for pistols rounds. Followed by leg shots to bring them down - leg armor is not very common.

Once they are down go for keister shots or head/shoulder with angles into the body.

Side shots are not a bad idea since side plates will be not overly common.

In a pinch sustained fire at center of mass might eventually penetrate or produce sufficient amounts of spalling to end the encounter.

Have not seen such tactics discussed and YMMV.

Curious to hear reasonable options.

For educational and hypothetical purposes only, naturally
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