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My range officer says registered BBAW is illegal
Can some help me with this? I took my registered BBAW to the range today. The range officer came by and told me that my bb AR15 was not legal. I told him and showed him a copy of my registration paperwork issued from the state of California. He said that the registration paperwork was no longer valid and that I needed to either go featureless or buy a new mag lock device that requires the action to be open to change out the magazine. Is this guy spreading FUD or did I miss some current changes in the law? He went on to say that the legislators realized that when they allowed this last round of registration for BB equipped AR15’s people were getting around it by removing their BB and using large capacity magazines, so that’s why the retracted the registration and so now my registration paperwork from the state meant nothing and I’m out of compliance. Is he full of bs? Could the state really do this after I followed the law? Note, my gun was BB equipped and I am only using 10 round pmags.
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This is distressing. The OP went to the effort and is trying to comply with laws. However, the laws have become complex enough that the OP gets concerned because another person who is involved with the shooting sports has it wrong.
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Gun counter guys, RSOs, and gun trainers rarely know the laws. They hear something from someone who heard it from someone else or just pull it out of their backside as they go along.
Yours is registered so it is legal. That is the reason for registration. Registered ones are legal, non-registered ones are not legal.
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This was from when the laws were easier to decieferand still this man was arrested twice for the same gun that the police wrongly thought was an assault weapon. Harris was the AG then. The will use the ATF to go after people like we have never seen.
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This was at the Visalia sportsman association range, the RSO was nice, I think he had good intentions, but I just started to second guess myself into thinking was there a recent change that I was unaware of and am I breaking the law now? He did tell me to research it more. Thanks everyone for confirming that registered BBAW’s are still legal.
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People could indeed get "around it by removing their BB and using large capacity magazines" if and only if they also converted their rifles to featureless (principally no pistolgrip and fixed stock); in 2020, featureless semi-automatic centerfire rifles remain legal.
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How could he get something so wrong like that? Someone blew some strange smoke up his you know. Completely wrong, someone gave him big time FUD.
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I’m confused by the OP
The registration- is that the DOJ registration letter you received after you voluntarily went into the CFARS system, uploaded the firearm info, uploaded 4 pictures, etc. And then the DOJ sent you a letter will all of your now registered assault weapons? Or Is the paperwork from when you purchased the firearm?
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With the complexity of CA gun laws, I wouldn’t expect everyone working at a range know it all. |
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Know the law enough to confidently tell the FUDs to kindly keep their own misunderstanding to themselves.
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He is an idiot but I’m not sure he’s wrong. IIRC, you can only use a BBRAW at locations where you have permission to use it.
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I’m not sure that’s the case unless the rules of the facility do not allow them specifically then you may not be allowed to shoot it there. A facility can restrict behaviors at the range they choose without recourse. But permission to shoot it does not have to be explicitly given. Andrew - Lancaster, CA NRA Life Member, CRPA member, Calguns.net contributor, CGF / SAF / FPC / CCRKBA / GOA / NAGR / NRA-ILA contributor, USCCA member - Support your defenders! |
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"Unless a permit allowing additional uses is first obtained under Section 31000, a person who has registered an assault weapon or registered a .50 BMG rifle under this article may possess it only under any of the following conditions: The possession on "property owned by another" does require permission under subparagraph (a). However the possession upon a target range does not include the requirement for permission under subparagraphs (b), (c), and (d). POSTSCRIPT - And once again, Librarian has beat me to the punch while I was typing..................
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3095 (b) doesn’t call for permission, so RSO is an idiot and I’m just ignorant.
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OP, that dude needs to find a new job...
Carry on!
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The paperwork is the assault weapon notification from the state after one has registered their BBAW during the legal registration period. Don’t confuse this with the DROS. I always keep a copy of my assault weapon notification from the state just in case I get stopped by law enforcement. Hope this clears up any confusion.
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OP, seems RSO did his job. You were so "safe" you packed up your gear and left!
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My range officer says registered BBAW is illegal
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No, only fixed magazine semi autos are limited to 10 rounds with or without Andrew - Lancaster, CA NRA Life Member, CRPA member, Calguns.net contributor, CGF / SAF / FPC / CCRKBA / GOA / NAGR / NRA-ILA contributor, USCCA member - Support your defenders! Last edited by lordmorgul; 12-27-2020 at 9:14 PM.. Reason: With or without other features |
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A semi-automatic, Centerfire, Rifle having a fixed magazine of more than 10 round capacity is defined as an "Assault Weapon" even if it has no other evil features. Please refer to Penal Code section 30515(a)(2). A Registered Assault Weapon can use large capacity magazines because it's already an "Assault Weapon."
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That was the case BEFORE BBRAW went into effect, a BB gun was considered a fixed mag. With BBRAW a BB became a detachable mag so either ditch the evils or register.
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Good correction, typed that response out without enough review. Andrew - Lancaster, CA NRA Life Member, CRPA member, Calguns.net contributor, CGF / SAF / FPC / CCRKBA / GOA / NAGR / NRA-ILA contributor, USCCA member - Support your defenders! |
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