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Old 01-10-2021, 11:49 AM
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Thumbs up LA Co is regularly issuing for Dark & Light Red GCs. Time to apply if yours is Yellow

We need people with Yellow (employment risks) Good Causes to apply with the Los Angeles Sheriffs Dept. We do not know if LASD will issue for Yellow GCs, so even you may get issued. Dark Red (death threats) and Light Red (profession or business ownership related risks) applicants are getting regularly issued.

If you want a CCW it only cost $30 to apply find out if they’ll accept your GC. Post #31 at this link explains what the GC colors mean: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924

Here’s CGN’s LA Co CCW thread. See the posts since mid June, but especially since Oct 01 to see the change. We expect another 2-3 CGNers to get their permits later this month. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=352761

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I canít believe it. LA of all places.
Yeah. No guarantees but they are regularly issuing, at least for Dark Red and Light Red GCs.

Hopefully the process will speed up as its improved and once CV19 backs off. AV said he may liberalize even more when budget cuts kick in July 1st.
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AV said he may liberalize even more...
Liberalize - when used by Villanueva, is this the traditional meaning of liberalism, meaning he'll relax some of the restrictions in place? Or the woke-liberalism, meaning he'll be restricting the ease of issuance?

This is all awesome news nonetheless. I have family who live in LA who thought CCW's were impossible to get, but that I'll be sharing this with now!
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What do the light and dark red signify?
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Old 01-13-2021, 11:14 AM
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What do the light and dark red signify?
See the link in the opening postís 2nd paragraph for explanation and examples of all the mapís colors
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Old 01-14-2021, 5:53 PM
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I talked to an LASD civilian employee who was issued a CCW permit by LASD. He said it was a relative simple process.
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May I ask how you know LA Sheriffs are "issuing regularly" ? Numerous public records requests have been made to the department and they refuse to release any info.
So how do you know ?
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May I ask how you know LA Sheriffs are "issuing regularly" ? Numerous public records requests have been made to the department and they refuse to release any info.
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Did you click the 2nd link in the OP and skim the posts since Oct 01? There are now 8 Calgunners who’ve gotten LASD CCWs since then and had me post their experiences. (Actually more since some don’t want me to post anything about them and others’ posts are still pending.)
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Did you click the 2nd link in the OP and skim the posts since Oct 01? There are now 8 Calgunners whoíve gotten LASD CCWs since then and had me post their experiences. (Actually more since some donít want me to post anything about them and othersí posts are still pending.)
I read through some of it. I am not calling anyone a liar but I would question anyone who is saying they are being issued by LASD.

Other LA area departments provide all public records for CCW's but LASD does not (in violation of the law) so I question any claims unless they can provide proof.

I would like to see their good cause determination letters.
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I read through some of it. I am not calling anyone a liar but I would question anyone who is saying they are being issued by LASD.

Other LA area departments provide all public records for CCW's but LASD does not (in violation of the law) so I question any claims unless they can provide proof.

I would like to see their good cause determination letters.
First off, welcome newbie! I see you just joined sometime within the past 15 days and have made 10 non-Off Topic posts. I’ve been an activist here for >15 years and made >10,000 posts with probably >95% of them about CA CCWs....

Feel free to post your request in that other thread. Maybe one of the, currently, 8 with LASD CCWs will “out” themselves to satisfy your doubts. LOL!

Maybe they will blank parts of their permit and send me an image to post.

Just go over there and post your request and my suggestion about posting a redacted image.

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I read through some of it. I am not calling anyone a liar but I would question anyone who is saying they are being issued by LASD.

Other LA area departments provide all public records for CCW's but LASD does not (in violation of the law) so I question any claims unless they can provide proof.

I would like to see their good cause determination letters.
Welcome new member.

No one here is going to provide you proof, because openly advertising having a CCW is something people who have them don't (and shouldn't) normally do. Posting exact good cause statements is also a bad idea and no one here does it. It is ok to describe it in more general terms.

So you're not going to get proof.

The best you're going to get are posts from high post count members who have been active in this for a while, who are relaying information from other members who have gotten CCWs and want to share advice but don't want to identify themselves.

Don't like it? Well, life is full of things we don't like so there's one more.

The LA sheriff has repeatedly said he's going to increase issuance. We have seen plenty of posts here of members getting issued. But there's nothing more we can do to prove anything to you.

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Maybe they will blank parts of their permit and send me an image to post.

Just go over there and post your request and my suggestion about posting a redacted image.
I don't think Paladin is entirely serious about this. I would suggest to not do that for anyone who is thinking of it. LA sheriffs dept probably reads this forum occasionally and my guess is they wouldn't want that. The LA policy prohibits unnecessarily displaying the permit, and posting it, even redacted, on a forum, might be viewed as an unnecessary display. I would just stay away from this because permits really are at their discretion and they value discretion.
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Liberalize - when used by Villanueva, is this the traditional meaning of liberalism, meaning he'll relax some of the restrictions in place? Or the woke-liberalism, meaning he'll be restricting the ease of issuance?

This is all awesome news nonetheless. I have family who live in LA who thought CCW's were impossible to get, but that I'll be sharing this with now!
Sorry, I overlooked this post until now.

Liberalize is my word. I forgot exactly what AV said. If you need to know exactly what he said go through all the posts in the LA Co CCW thread from when he first announced he’ll issue more CCWs (ie, start fulfilling that campaign promise) on IIRC June 15th and go forward.

I use liberalize to mean a less restrictive GC requirement, one that a greater % of the population can meet. FWIW I don’t describe an IA as issuing liberally until their GC requirement is at least Light Green. Only then can a majority of us get issued. ETA: Similarly I don’t say we’ve “won” a county until it is at least Light Green.

Be sure to copy & paste my post describing the color categories to your family. So far all the successful applicants have been Dark Red or Light Red and we’re just now getting indications Yellow candidates with outstanding GMC may get approved too. We’ll only know for sure if more Yellow people apply and let us know how it goes.

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We need people with Yellow (employment risks) Good Causes to apply with the Los Angeles Sheriffs Dept. We do not know if LASD will issue for Yellow GCs, so even you may get issued. Dark Red (death threats) and Light Red (profession or business ownership related risks) applicants are getting regularly issued.
What is the difference between Yellow and Red, isn't Yellow more difficult because you also need to get the approval of your employer whereas for Red you can just approve yourself?
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What is the difference between Yellow and Red, isn't Yellow more difficult because you also need to get the approval of your employer whereas for Red you can just approve yourself?
Yellow is mostly, but not completely, the same as Light Red but for employees versus business owners.

Yellow is harder in the sense you stated. But that difficulty depends upon your employer, not the sheriff.

Yellow is “more liberal” in the sense that more people can possibly qualify under it than Light Red (ie, there are more employees in a county than business owners).

The link in paragraph 2 of the OP takes you to a thread where I explain the colors (post 31).

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Light Red (profession or business ownership related risks) applicants are getting regularly issued.
What would be an example of business ownership related risks?
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Jeeeeze, no kidding eh?

I would think short of that, perhaps any business doing a large cash flow, jewelry store in the district... something along those lines?

Once again, even though I am an ex-pat I thank Paladin for staying on top of this stuff. You are an asset to the 2A community my man.
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What would be an example of business ownership related risks?
Typical Light Red would be regularly transporting valuable (equipment/merchandise/deposits) to (worksites/customers/banks) at all hours of the day or night. If, while doing such you’ve been attacked, robbed, threatened or merely felt threatened so much the better. Better still if it was reported to the police.

More details about the colors in post #31 at
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924

Best to read all my posts in that thread and at minimum read all the successful applicants’ advice I’ve posted since first one on Oct 01 in the LA Co CCW thread at: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=352761

You can easily find the posts about the now 8 successful applicants since I announce them with 3 party emoticons


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ETA: UPDATE there are now 9 CGN LASD CCWers.

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Thank you for your kind words. Real progress is being made in CA despite no SCOTUS Carry wins and despite CA still being May Issue. With 10M people LA Co is, IIRC, more populous than 40 states! If it eventually goes Light Green that would be a major win not only for CA but for the nation. It will have an impact even internationally via Hollywood scripts since Good Guys/gals with Guns will no longer be limited to intel, mil, LE and PIs, but include Mom & Pop!

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I just posted about CGN LASD CCWer #9 in the LA Co CCW thread. They have a Light Red GC but feel applicants with Yellow GC and strong GMC should have a solid chance of getting issued.
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