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Old 01-16-2020, 8:47 AM
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Default NightHawk 1911 drop in trigger system

I just got an email from NHC, and this item looks pretty interesting to me, the NHC 1911 drop in trigger system.

https://www.nighthawkcustom.com/part...trigger-system

Design is cool, but I am not sure if I would spend $300 on it.
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Old 01-16-2020, 9:09 AM
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If youíre spending that kind of money you may as well have a gunsmith do a proper trigger job.


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Nice ignition set, but too expensive.

Harrison, EGW0 and a couple of other outfits offer high grade ignition sets for about half that price. Granted, they do not have the caged box design, and you will have to use some of the old parts like hammer strut, etc.
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That's way too much for a drop-in trigger. I think it's a problem if someone cannot shoot a 1911 and need a $300 drop-in trigger to help them.
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Old 01-16-2020, 12:13 PM
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Default NightHawk 1911 drop in trigger system

I personally would rather spending money on accuracy job first , then consider about trigger pull.


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It is interesting though - a drop in 1911 trigger group, have we ever seen that before for a 1911?
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Not until today. It looks like the trigger pull depends on the spring inside.


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Yeah... I’d rather have a smith work my trigger over
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If youíre spending that kind of money you may as well have a gunsmith do a proper trigger job.


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An interesting concept, like the self contained AR triggers. It is rather expensive.
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I'm assuming as it's a Nighthawk Custom until, it will be a egift good trigger (never owned one of their guns but heard they're very nice) it will be a legit nice trigger.

You can pay someone $200.00 plus shipping your gun, or more to do your trigger, but a kit that still needs to be fit to be as nice for $130.00-$180.00, not including tools, or get this drop in thing.

When you think about like that, it's probably comparable to paying for a trigger job.

Am I going to buy one? No. I like buying parts and making them work myself. But for the guy who isn't into fitting parts, this isn't the worst deal out there.

IF IT IS NIGHTHAWK CUSTOM QUALITY.
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It is interesting though - a drop in 1911 trigger group, have we ever seen that before for a 1911?
In a Tokarev, we have. And in a 1911 we now have too
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It is interesting though - a drop in 1911 trigger group, have we ever seen that before for a 1911?
Cylinder and Slide....

Been making them for years.
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Nowlin and Cylinder and Slide both have drop-in 1911 triggers - though not in a housing like the Nighthawk - for about half the price. I doubt this one is that much better than those other kits. For $300, you can pretty much have any of the best 1911 gunsmiths out there give you a trigger job that will be superior.
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The 'Why' of it can be answered in the first video. I think it is all valid. You can move this from gun to gun and it will feel the same. You can have spare trigger groups ready to go if you are a competition shooter. You can run them in multiple guns and have a consistent feel from gun to gun.

https://youtu.be/NlLX7GQkagE




Plenty of people said the same thing about DIT for ARs (You can have a gunsmith do it cheaper) but look how prominent they are now. Note that this product was conceptualized by a Gunsmith instructor, not a suit wearing marketing exec.

For $300 I am not rushing to get one, but when they get down near $200 it starts getting interesting.

Sure you can have a gunsmith do a good job, but good gunsmiths have a long waiting list and I seriously doubt it is going to be cheaper by the time it is said and done (back and forth shipping etc - look how expensive it is for a private party to ship a handgun), and you will have a great trigger that was setup for that specific gun, versus one you can move from gun to gun with success.

One downside is proprietary parts - you are locked in with no easy way to change a single part if it fails by using a milspec replacement. But I see this DIT system being useful to several groups of shooters.

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Nowlin and Cylinder and Slide both have drop-in 1911 triggers - though not in a housing like the Nighthawk - for about half the price. I doubt this one is that much better than those other kits. For $300, you can pretty much have any of the best 1911 gunsmiths out there give you a trigger job that will be superior.
IMO for the reasons mentioned in the video (variability of hole spacing and parallelism) - there has never been a true drop in trigger until now. Parts that will drop in and work are different than parts that will drop in and work optimally. I am sure any 1911 gunsmith out there would tell you those parts bundle triggers should be tuned manually for a specific frame.

The benefit to this is obvious, there is total control of the geometry of the parts when the parts are in a housing.
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Possible Issues I see:

The unit may have movement in the frame causing felt creep due to differing size holes in the frame and unit. When I do lower poundage trigger jobs I measure the ID of the frame, ID of the component holes and OD of the pins. Then ensure they are all the same so they canít have any movement. When you have .018Ē total engagement you canít have movement. On a self contained unit you wonít have the same issues with movement but the unit as a whole able to move will be felt in the trigger. Btw rarely are any of the holes and pins similar, they always need to be trued.

Misaligned or deviation of hammer and sear holes in frame causing fitment issues, they are rarely the same frame to frame. Iím curious how this will play a role in the unit fitting properly and without movement.





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Misaligned or deviation of hammer and sear holes in frame causing fitment issues, they are rarely the same frame to frame. I’m curious how this will play a role in the unit fitting properly and without movement.
I too am curious how the unit stays rigid in the frame. I have not watched the other videos but perhaps they will shed some light. Perhaps soon we will have some qualified 3rd parties to do a review and discussion (maybe you!).

Until someone who really knows what they are doing gets this in hand and tries it in a few frames, we just don’t know if this breaks any ground or is only snake-oil. I think if Nighthawk really believes in it, they should spread some around for free to such people.
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