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Old 04-12-2023, 12:48 PM
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Unhappy Man shoots his Femoral Artery- lessons to be learned

Sad story

Man with his 2 little ones in the car draws his pistol for an unknown reason, has a negligent discharge and dies in his car


https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/in...5-d3e6ed9ae4f6


I don't want to get preachy -
But guns are good because they are dangerous
If your holster is not comfortable- find a solution!

Smaller gun
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Different position
Holster that can be removed from the belt without drawing the gun.


When we have a divided society that requires people to disarm to run an errand into a prohibited store..... two issues are created.
1- guns being left in cars
2- increased chance of an ND from removing and replacing gun
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He was at a stoplight and went to remove the gun from his holster and the gun accidentally went off,” she said.
A round hit his femoral artery.
“After it happened, he had pulled over to the side of the road and put the car in park and turned it off and called 911,” Ashley Schlesing said.
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Do you think it was appendix carry?

What kind of holster?

Why on earth fondle your gun like that?

What sort of first aid will work on a femoral shot? A CAT won?t work, will it?

Any of you veterans work with XStat? Does it take the place of wound packing?

https://www.revmedx.com/xstat/
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TLDR; was it a Glock?
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TLDR; was it a Glock?
Before I saw this comment, I wondered to myself, was this a striker fire or 1911 in condition one?

I'm 55 (can't find the old man emoji). I've been a hammer fire, double action guy my whole life and refuse to change. The biggest reason is muscle memory. I find it nearly impossible to setoff a DA auto accidently with the hammer at rest.

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Have a decent first aid kit in your car. Stuff an extra tourniquet or two in the center console, the door cubby, etc. And know how to use the stuff.
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Tourniquet can work if you can get it above the hole. So lower thigh yes- upper near pelvis - no


Wound packing - can save your life. In a Stan seals used dirt, pine needles, anything they could get their hands on. The infection might kill you tomorrow, but deal with that while alive.


As one u tube did- stick a thumb in it. He had his gun KB - ka blooey- and he stuck his thumb into his jugular while being driven to hospital.


A full cut femoral and you are dead in under 2 minutes. Clamp would be what a medic could do. We could try to pack it to slow the blood loss.
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I've been a hammer fire, double action guy my whole life and refuse to change. The biggest reason is muscle memory. I find it nearly impossible to setoff a DA auto accidently with the hammer at rest.
This is the way.
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Probably a striker gun and probably AIWB.
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For the life of me I don't understand appendix carry, but whatever. We're all different.
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Tragic, what a way to go...
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I hate to hear stories like this, but this is the reason I don't carry my Glocks, I don't want to have to worry about that in a high stress situation, I also carry IWB at my hip, I'll never point a loaded gun at anything on myself, holstered or not. I had a friend shoot himself carrying appendix IWB and hes lucky it was only his foot that was hit, after seeing that happen I have no want to try anything that could be risky like that.
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Sad.

The reason I am opposed to appendix carry is for this exact reason. And I know it can be safe, if one is very careful, and trains appropriately, and always acts appropriately.

I oppose appendix carry because when all the experts and tactical beard bros on YouTube advocate for appendix carry, a huge army of noobs and people who don't train and who don't act appropriately will think that it is OK for them to do it also. And it is clearly not.
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Geez, when I first heard of appendix carry I thought, no way, no how. With a Glock? NO
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Compacts only

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Lesson #1: Don’t shoot your femoral artery.

…No better advice given than that.
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Lesson #1: Don?t shoot your femoral artery.

?No better advice given than that.

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a huge army of noobs and people who don't train and who don't act appropriately will think that it is OK for them to do it also. And it is clearly not.
This...

You need to break, say, 2 of the rules for the above ND to happen. At the very least, always conscious of your trigger finger...

I carry AIWB. I carry a Glock (except for RDS, BUIS, grip tape is stock).

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TLDR; was it a Glock?
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Probably a striker gun and probably AIWB.
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For the life of me I don't understand appendix carry, but whatever. We're all different.
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...this is the reason I don't carry my Glocks
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The reason I am opposed to appendix carry is for this exact reason.
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Geez, when I first heard of appendix carry I thought, no way, no how. With a Glock? NO
Just a reminder. There was no information on the type of firearm nor on the type of carry. He removed his gun from his holster and shot himself.
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Just a reminder. There was no information on the type of firearm nor on the type of carry. He removed his gun from his holster and shot himself.
Maybe a SIG P320?
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Just a reminder. There was no information on the type of firearm nor on the type of carry. He removed his gun from his holster and shot himself.
but, we all know striker fired guns are becoming increasingly popular. many, like the Glock, are almost too easy to fire accidentally. some, like the 320, apparently, just fire randomly when bumped or the trigger is brushed. when someone appendix carries, where is the muzzle pointed? how about IWB 3 oclock? there's a good reason why a lot of LE want DA only, and or a manual safety. A grip safety isn't a bad idea either. One could argue that the current concealed carry trend is to blame for some of these NDs. If we didn't have to conceal the weapon, we wouldn't be jamming a loaded gun into our trousers pointed at our junk, so nobody could see it. why is open carry so taboo?
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The lesson here is that appendix carry is stupid and increases the damage a ND will do.
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You can AIWB safely in condition 1 as long as:

1. You use a quality Kydex holster like a Garret Holsters holster.

2. You don?t take the gun out of the holster at all unless it?s to defend yourself.


Gun goes into the holster, holster clips onto the belt. No ?readjustment?. If you have to, take the holster off the belt.
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Lesson #1: Don?t shoot your femoral artery.

?No better advice given than that.
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Holstered weapon after it was on the belt.
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Just a reminder. There was no information on the type of firearm nor on the type of carry. He removed his gun from his holster and shot himself.
Now what did you go and do that for? Everyone was having so much fun bashing AIWB.
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?but, we all know striker fired guns are becoming increasingly popular. many, like the Glock, are almost too easy to fire accidentally.
I’ve owned Glocks since 1988 and haven’t had a single ND. I’ve got one on my hip right now and it hasn’t shot me once today! I feel like such an underachiever and massive failure.
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You can AIWB safely in condition 1 as long as:

1. You use a quality Kydex holster like a Garret Holsters holster.

2. You don?t take the gun out of the holster at all unless it?s to defend yourself.


Gun goes into the holster, holster clips onto the belt. No ?readjustment?. If you have to, take the holster off the belt.
so just don't train at all?
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so just don't train at all?

No, train safely, but when carrying there is no need to be unholstering and reholstering a weapon in condition 1 unless a gunfight has occurred.

As for holstering when training, yea it should be done, but done deliberately and slowly. The article below says more than I could ever say:

http://www.downrange.tv/blog/the-evi...stering/14102/
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For the life of me I don't understand appendix carry, but whatever. We're all different.
If you think there is any other good way to holster a gun concealed that will not have the muzzle pointing at your body feel free to name it. All this fear of a AIWB or a striker fired gun is BS.

Guns do not go off on their own period. Even the sig p320 was found to be user induced ND's except for the one that was dropped. Keep your booger hook of the bang switch and insure there is nothing going to get caught on the trigger when reholstering. it's real easy.

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sucks RIP I CARRY IWB G26 for 10 years no ND i always carry round ready to go but never place my finger in trigger guard
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but, we all know striker fired guns are becoming increasingly popular. many, like the Glock, are almost too easy to fire accidentally. some, like the 320, apparently, just fire randomly when bumped or the trigger is brushed. when someone appendix carries, where is the muzzle pointed? how about IWB 3 oclock? there's a good reason why a lot of LE want DA only, and or a manual safety. A grip safety isn't a bad idea either. One could argue that the current concealed carry trend is to blame for some of these NDs. If we didn't have to conceal the weapon, we wouldn't be jamming a loaded gun into our trousers pointed at our junk, so nobody could see it. why is open carry so taboo?
You need to really read up on what was finally found out in the p320 cases.
Every single instance was stupidity on the user that caused the ND.
LE want DA only not for officer safety but for suspect safety. it's the reason one option for the Glock was and still is the NY trigger a 12 pound trigger to mimic a DA revolver so a rookie or a old timer revolver cop don't accidently shoot a suspect due to a nervous trigger finger.

And Glock?? WTH? I hated on Glocks for decades but never for being to easy to set off accidently. It's called a safe action for a reason. Glock is the striker fired action that all others should be measured by.
IWB 3 o clock?? yeah well depending on body position there's still a good chance it's going to hit your leg
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KC...I would greatly appreciate it if you would edit the above so it doesn't look like I posted the nonsense.

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I love how you just make stuff up to fit the narrative going on in your head.

What is stupid is saying that, "the lesson here is appendix carry is stupid," when there is ZERO information given on how he was carrying or how this happened. Maybe it was a factor, maybe it wasn't. We don't know.
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Not to theeadjack but since we are talking about dogs ?going off?, FNH made a pistol the FNS9 that would supposedly discharge if bumped. There was also some other issue with it locking up if the finger stayed on the trigger. Arizona dumped them from their state troopers and you could buy them for $200 with 3 magazines.

A brand new FNH firearm for $200 imagine that. My 9C never malfunctioned, I tested it. I saw a video where AZ DPS hit it with a mallet while a round was chambered and it did indeed discharge. Who knows what happened?

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ar...ol-discharges/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_WUB4dC5ac
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I love how you just make stuff up to fit the narrative going on in your head.

What is stupid is saying that, "the lesson here is appendix carry is stupid," when there is ZERO information given on how he was carrying or how this happened. Maybe it was a factor, maybe it wasn't. We don't know.
"?He was at a stoplight and went to remove the gun from his holster and the gun accidentally went off,? she said."

He was removing a gun from his holster and it went off. Of ALL the holster types on the market, the only one that would have you flagging your femoral artery when clearing/ reholstering from a seated position is AIWB.
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"?He was at a stoplight and went to remove the gun from his holster and the gun accidentally went off,? she said."

He was removing a gun from his holster and it went off. Of ALL the holster types on the market, the only one that would have you flagging your femoral artery when clearing/ reholstering from a seated position is AIWB.

Maybe he was carrying it in a bra?
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