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Man shoots his Femoral Artery- lessons to be learned
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Man with his 2 little ones in the car draws his pistol for an unknown reason, has a negligent discharge and dies in his car https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/in...5-d3e6ed9ae4f6 I don't want to get preachy - But guns are good because they are dangerous If your holster is not comfortable- find a solution! Smaller gun Different holster Different position Holster that can be removed from the belt without drawing the gun. When we have a divided society that requires people to disarm to run an errand into a prohibited store..... two issues are created. 1- guns being left in cars 2- increased chance of an ND from removing and replacing gun
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He was at a stoplight and went to remove the gun from his holster and the gun accidentally went off,” she said. A round hit his femoral artery. “After it happened, he had pulled over to the side of the road and put the car in park and turned it off and called 911,” Ashley Schlesing said.
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Man shoots his Femoral Artery- lessons to be learned
Do you think it was appendix carry?
What kind of holster? Why on earth fondle your gun like that? What sort of first aid will work on a femoral shot? A CAT won?t work, will it? Any of you veterans work with XStat? Does it take the place of wound packing? https://www.revmedx.com/xstat/
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TLDR; was it a Glock?
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Before I saw this comment, I wondered to myself, was this a striker fire or 1911 in condition one?
I'm 55 (can't find the old man emoji). I've been a hammer fire, double action guy my whole life and refuse to change. The biggest reason is muscle memory. I find it nearly impossible to setoff a DA auto accidently with the hammer at rest. Last edited by ArtP88; 04-12-2023 at 6:15 PM.. |
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Have a decent first aid kit in your car. Stuff an extra tourniquet or two in the center console, the door cubby, etc. And know how to use the stuff.
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Tourniquet can work if you can get it above the hole. So lower thigh yes- upper near pelvis - no
Wound packing - can save your life. In a Stan seals used dirt, pine needles, anything they could get their hands on. The infection might kill you tomorrow, but deal with that while alive. As one u tube did- stick a thumb in it. He had his gun KB - ka blooey- and he stuck his thumb into his jugular while being driven to hospital. A full cut femoral and you are dead in under 2 minutes. Clamp would be what a medic could do. We could try to pack it to slow the blood loss.
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This is the way.
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Tragic, what a way to go...
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I hate to hear stories like this, but this is the reason I don't carry my Glocks, I don't want to have to worry about that in a high stress situation, I also carry IWB at my hip, I'll never point a loaded gun at anything on myself, holstered or not. I had a friend shoot himself carrying appendix IWB and hes lucky it was only his foot that was hit, after seeing that happen I have no want to try anything that could be risky like that.
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Sad.
The reason I am opposed to appendix carry is for this exact reason. And I know it can be safe, if one is very careful, and trains appropriately, and always acts appropriately. I oppose appendix carry because when all the experts and tactical beard bros on YouTube advocate for appendix carry, a huge army of noobs and people who don't train and who don't act appropriately will think that it is OK for them to do it also. And it is clearly not. |
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Lesson #1: Don’t shoot your femoral artery.
…No better advice given than that.
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You need to break, say, 2 of the rules for the above ND to happen. At the very least, always conscious of your trigger finger... I carry AIWB. I carry a Glock (except for RDS, BUIS, grip tape is stock). _ |
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The lesson here is that appendix carry is stupid and increases the damage a ND will do.
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You can AIWB safely in condition 1 as long as:
1. You use a quality Kydex holster like a Garret Holsters holster. 2. You don?t take the gun out of the holster at all unless it?s to defend yourself. Gun goes into the holster, holster clips onto the belt. No ?readjustment?. If you have to, take the holster off the belt.
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Exactly...
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Holstered weapon after it was on the belt.
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I’ve owned Glocks since 1988 and haven’t had a single ND. I’ve got one on my hip right now and it hasn’t shot me once today! I feel like such an underachiever and massive failure.
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Man shoots his Femoral Artery- lessons to be learned
No, train safely, but when carrying there is no need to be unholstering and reholstering a weapon in condition 1 unless a gunfight has occurred. As for holstering when training, yea it should be done, but done deliberately and slowly. The article below says more than I could ever say: http://www.downrange.tv/blog/the-evi...stering/14102/
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Guns do not go off on their own period. Even the sig p320 was found to be user induced ND's except for the one that was dropped. Keep your booger hook of the bang switch and insure there is nothing going to get caught on the trigger when reholstering. it's real easy. I carry a G19 AIWB in a phlster floodlight holster Last edited by kcstott; 04-18-2023 at 4:30 PM.. |
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Every single instance was stupidity on the user that caused the ND. LE want DA only not for officer safety but for suspect safety. it's the reason one option for the Glock was and still is the NY trigger a 12 pound trigger to mimic a DA revolver so a rookie or a old timer revolver cop don't accidently shoot a suspect due to a nervous trigger finger. And Glock?? WTH? I hated on Glocks for decades but never for being to easy to set off accidently. It's called a safe action for a reason. Glock is the striker fired action that all others should be measured by. IWB 3 o clock?? yeah well depending on body position there's still a good chance it's going to hit your leg |
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KC...I would greatly appreciate it if you would edit the above so it doesn't look like I posted the nonsense.
Thanks in advance.
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What is stupid is saying that, "the lesson here is appendix carry is stupid," when there is ZERO information given on how he was carrying or how this happened. Maybe it was a factor, maybe it wasn't. We don't know.
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Man shoots his Femoral Artery- lessons to be learned
Not to theeadjack but since we are talking about dogs ?going off?, FNH made a pistol the FNS9 that would supposedly discharge if bumped. There was also some other issue with it locking up if the finger stayed on the trigger. Arizona dumped them from their state troopers and you could buy them for $200 with 3 magazines.
A brand new FNH firearm for $200 imagine that. My 9C never malfunctioned, I tested it. I saw a video where AZ DPS hit it with a mallet while a round was chambered and it did indeed discharge. Who knows what happened? https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ar...ol-discharges/ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_WUB4dC5ac
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He was removing a gun from his holster and it went off. Of ALL the holster types on the market, the only one that would have you flagging your femoral artery when clearing/ reholstering from a seated position is AIWB.
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Maybe he was carrying it in a bra?
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