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Mary ju wanna question
Asking for a friend and looking for educated opinions.
A buyer who is party to a PPT smells like Mary J so strongly that your eyes are watering above your mask. Obviously buyer cannot answer no to 4473 question 21e. Is the buyer permanently prohibited or can they try again when they don't smell like Mary J? |
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Use your good judgment and refuse the transaction. Walk away.
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According to 27 CFR 478.11:
Unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance.Notice that for arrest or conviction-based suspicions, there are specific timelines. It’s not a permanent ban, because it’s whether a person is currently an unlawful user or addict. |
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We've told them no before. If that makes you feel any better. Remember you're signing the 4473 also saying everything is on the up and up. And if you don't believe it is then don't do it.
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I wouldn't. Lots of potential down the road liability that could come back on you. I wouldn't want it on my conscience knowing I (in essence) helped arm someone that was stupid enough to come into a gun store reeking of the green.
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I did however have one customer come in that told me she had a Medical Marijuana card but said she has never used it and didn't even ask for it but her doctor prescribed it and gave it to her. She even said she would give it to me to cut up if I wanted. I called DOJ and asked what to do in this situation and the best answer I could get out of them was it doesn't matter if they give you the card or not because they can just go get another one. What matters is if you believe them or not. Needless to say it wasn't a very definitive answer.
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Wilson v. Lynch is about the ATF Open Letter to FFLs about marijuana. That Open Letter specifically instructs, "if you are aware that the potential transferee is in possession of a card authorizing the possession and use of marijuana under State law, then you have "reasonable cause to believe" that the person is an unlawful user of a controlled substance. As such, you may not transfer firearms or ammunition to the person, even if that person answered "no" to question 11.e. on ATF Form 4473." Wilson argued, "she is not actually an unlawful drug user. Instead, she alleges that, although she obtained a registry card, she chose not to use medical marijuana for various reasons, such as the difficulties of acquiring medical marijuana in Nevada, as well as a desire to make a political statement." (Wilson v. Lynch, at p. 1091.) Nonetheless, the 9th Circuit says: "With respect to marijuana registry cards, there may be some small population of individuals who-although obtaining a marijuana registry card for medicinal purposes-instead hold marijuana registry cards only for expressive purposes. But it is eminently reasonable for federal regulators to assume that a registry cardholder is much more likely to be a marijuana user than an individual who does not hold a registry card." (Wilson v. Lynch at p. 1094.) The 9th Circuit does say, "Wilson could acquire firearms and exercise her right to self-defense at any time by surrendering her registry card, thereby demonstrating to a firearms dealer that there is no reasonable cause to believe she is an unlawful drug user." (Wilson v. Lynch, at p. 1093.) |
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Then we’ll all be able to hang out at our stores and get stoned and sell guns. We’ll have the most meticulous looking 4473’s that will take an hour to fill in and incredible lunch bills to write off |
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Theres nothing in the US code about alcohol though...
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I've been in an LGS and saw dudes reeking of weed gleefully looking at firearms,
and thought to myself "what the hell are these idiots thinking?" - not very bright.
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That functional alcoholic is a patriot for not smoking reefer Dictated but not read, voice typing plus bad eyes equals typos
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I just don't think its a federal crime to be a drunk. Thats all I was getting at.
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True! I might be inclined to sell them all they want when they come in to buy and to start the 10 day wait.
I wouldn't deliver the guns to them drunk though. |
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Yeah, I mean if some dude walks in stumbling, bumbling and is wasted then yeah no way am I gonna release it. But I was more getting at the fact that the 4473 mentions unlawful use of MJ but there's no mention about booze.
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