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Old 01-21-2020, 12:47 PM
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It was a very nice get together yesterday in Virginia. Lots of gun owners smiling and showing off their guns. It seems like most had a good time. BUT,,,
What did it change?
Not a thing, Nothing, nada.
Not a single law (yet to be installed)has been removed from the docket.
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Old 01-21-2020, 1:04 PM
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It was a very nice get together yesterday in Virginia. Lots of gun owners smiling and showing off their guns. It seems like most had a good time. BUT,,,
What did it change?
Not a thing, Nothing, nada.
Not a single law (yet to be installed)has been removed from the docket.
It did show that we will stand together , that is what scares them the most .And we did it with no loss of life , no injuries , and without violence that they said would happen .

They just went

State of emergency , new regulations on where when and how .
And pulling a CA type move , changing how to recall the Government People.

All for a walk in the park .
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Old 01-21-2020, 2:45 PM
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VA State lawmakers haven't yet figured out that you carve-out exemptions for LEOs and their cronies.

Once they do that, the LE agencies will cuck to the state and enjoy better negotiations in their bargaining units.
They literally become a privileged class, very much like nobility. And in California they like it that way.
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Zorba,

Are you a member of the NRA? Or is that also a slave owner? Or too GOP for you?

Just curious.

Also wonder how many of those protesters in va are NRA members.

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Old 01-21-2020, 4:46 PM
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No shortage of excuses REASON for our situation here and lack of activity in the past and now present...not a surprise at all.
FIFY

BECAUSE WORDS MATTER

Please try to at least show a modicum of honesty when discussing the 2A situation in Crap-O-fornia.

Here is the definition of the WRONG word, that you chose to improperly describe the DISMAL 2A situation in Ca.

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ex∑cuse
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attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify.
Here is the definition of the PROPER word that explains the 2A situation in Ca.

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a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event.
Crap-O-fornia's dismal respect for the US Constitution. Is because 60+% of voting age citizens [and non-citizens]. Have freely chosen to sell their Liberty/Freedom to the PUBLIC SECTOR UNION controlled WELFARE STATE.

And here is the definition of people who willingly chose to run from, rather than fight for what is RIGHT.

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Old 01-21-2020, 7:28 PM
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BS, it’s 2020

In 1989 they banned “assault weapons”

In 2001 they created the roster

Everything after, AT LEAST, 2001 was a frog thrown in a boiling pot and nobody has done a damn thing



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You have no idea what the frog in the boiling water analogy means, then.

I’ve lived here since 1990. Up until that time, there was no rifle wait, c and r needed no record, you could buy any nationally available handgun, shotgun, or rifle.

Despite the named rifle ban, i bought an hk 91 and bushmaster AR, and a boatload of mags, and still have them,

Since then, incrementally, things changed. Ten day wait on everything. No c and r. Etc.

Sure, now its boiling, thats the point of an incrementalism argument.
You are misusing the analogy

The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

Who hasn’t perceived the danger since 2001?!?!
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Old 01-21-2020, 7:39 PM
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It was a very nice get together yesterday in Virginia. Lots of gun owners smiling and showing off their guns. It seems like most had a good time. BUT,,,
What did it change?
Not a thing, Nothing, nada.
Not a single law (yet to be installed)has been removed from the docket.
Yeah, just "feel good" stuff. I sure as hell don't feel like changing my views whenever some left wing group protests so why should I expect this to change some leftist's views. This whole rally will be forgotten before the weekend. The only way it would have staying power is if something "bad" happened. If VA wants to make change then they need to support those sheriffs who are defying the law, identify those who can run and win office in the state and give them money, and resist the current government wherever they can - such as refusing to do business with government agencies. Pressure should also be put on those LE organizations tasked with protecting elected officials so as to deny the tyrants security paid for by those whose natural rights they are seeking to eliminate.
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You are misusing the analogy

The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

Who hasn’t perceived the danger since 2001?!?!
No, im not. Its appropos.

The water temp has been slowly increasing, as demonstrated with specific legislation milestones.

Incremental action. Sure, now its bad, but that isnt the point of the analogy. It was a gradual process, and thats why it worked here, while inVA it was an overnight deal.

Thats the difference: Virginia was going to do all that California has and more, all at once.

Absolutely ironclad.
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You are misusing the analogy

The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

Who hasnít perceived the danger since 2001?!?!
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No, im not. Its appropos.

The water temp has been slowly increasing, as demonstrated with specific legislation milestones.

Incremental action. Sure, now its bad, but that isnt the point of the analogy. It was a gradual process, and thats why it worked here, while inVA it was an overnight deal.

Thats the difference: Virginia was going to do all that California has and more, all at once.

Absolutely ironclad.
Who hasnít PERCEIVED the danger since 2001?!?!
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Yeah, just "feel good" stuff. I sure as hell don't feel like changing my views whenever some left wing group protests so why should I expect this to change some leftist's views. This whole rally will be forgotten before the weekend. The only way it would have staying power is if something "bad" happened. If VA wants to make change then they need to support those sheriffs who are defying the law, identify those who can run and win office in the state and give them money, and resist the current government wherever they can - such as refusing to do business with government agencies. Pressure should also be put on those LE organizations tasked with protecting elected officials so as to deny the tyrants security paid for by those whose natural rights they are seeking to eliminate.
Unfortunately you are exactly correct in that the rally will not help securing gun rights !
Political action and contributions along with the other tactics you mentioned could change the course of history !

Im thinking lots of people making small contributions could help stem the tide of these tyrants !
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At least in Va, he has a gun community that PULLS TOGETHER, and doesn't worry about non-issues or anything other than the fight at hand. You might as well get out of California, no-body will support your fight anyway - too much infighting to be done!
This is Cal Guns, not Virginia guns. We are here to defend our rights even if some of you gave up. We are here, we are active and we refuse to give up the fight.
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Old 01-22-2020, 10:38 AM
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It did show that we will stand together , that is what scares them the most .And we did it with no loss of life , no injuries , and without violence that they said would happen .

They just went

State of emergency , new regulations on where when and how .
And pulling a CA type move , changing how to recall the Government People.

All for a walk in the park .
What it showed in Va. and just the same, as in all the other states, with these 2A removing progressive agendas.

Is that in a state with 8.5 million souls, only ~22000 care enough to protest the distruction of the US constitution and its Amendments.
In the progressives mind, that pretty much gives them free reign to do as they please.

Now, I believe that many many more feel as the VA. protesters do.
I truely do.

But until 'the Constitution believers' of this country take some sort of united action to control the progressive destruction of our rights, (all of them) the progressives will continue to destroy our rights.
Sadly,, I honestly believe this united action will require some sort of physical action beyond protest marches. I'm not proposing any violence, but I'm afraid it might come to that. Or even a division of the physical country as we know it now.




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Virginians are making commiefornians LOOK LIKE PUSSIES!!!!

If someone is an LEO in a confiscation state have they considered their OATH? Have you??

Wearing a law enforcement uniform, drawing a paycheck from a state intent on confiscation makes a statement........about police and what they are willing to do for $$$$

Did they lie when they SWORE TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC? Did they not understand what they were SWEARING To? What should a tyranical states uniform say to a person living in a state threatening confiscation?? How can police be trusted?

Are law enforcement to become the DOMESTIC ENEMY? Certainly the commiefornia legislatue IS A DOMESTIC ENEMY.

I STAND WITH VIRGINIANS!!!
We've had large groups of people show up to various gun related functions and the politicians ignored it. Same will happen in Virginia.
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We've had large groups of people show up to various gun related functions and the politicians ignored it. Same will happen in Virginia.
Yep.

Virginia Senate advances 'red flag' gun law, despite rally

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Who hasnít PERCEIVED the danger since 2001?!?!
Is your argument that the legislation we are talking about in California happened suddenly, like the VA legislature said they were going to do?

If not, do you just like to be contrary?
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This is Cal Guns, not Virginia guns. We are here to defend our rights even if some of you gave up. We are here, we are active and we refuse to give up the fight.
You just like to argue. Posts like yours are why have to get background checks to buy ammo.

Or something.
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You just like to argue. Posts like yours are why have to get background checks to buy ammo.

Or something.
That was not very intelligent. We have to get background checks to buy ammo mostly because of stupid voters that replaced those that quit California.
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BS, it’s 2020

In 1989 they banned “assault weapons”

In 2001 they created the roster

Everything after, AT LEAST, 2001 was a frog thrown in a boiling pot and nobody has done a damn thing



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You have no idea what the frog in the boiling water analogy means, then.

I’ve lived here since 1990. Up until that time, there was no rifle wait, c and r needed no record, you could buy any nationally available handgun, shotgun, or rifle.

Despite the named rifle ban, i bought an hk 91 and bushmaster AR, and a boatload of mags, and still have them,

Since then, incrementally, things changed. Ten day wait on everything. No c and r. Etc.

Sure, now its boiling, thats the point of an incrementalism argument.


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You are misusing the analogy

The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

Who hasn’t perceived the danger since 2001?!?!
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No, im not. Its appropos.

The water temp has been slowly increasing, as demonstrated with specific legislation milestones.

Incremental action. Sure, now its bad, but that isnt the point of the analogy. It was a gradual process, and thats why it worked here, while inVA it was an overnight deal.

Thats the difference: Virginia was going to do all that California has and more, all at once.

Absolutely ironclad.
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Is your argument that the legislation we are talking about in California happened suddenly, like the VA legislature said they were going to do?

If not, do you just like to be contrary?
You are mis-using the frog analogy because excessive gun control escalations were clearly PERCEIVED by AT LEAST 2001.

The frog analogy requires that the frog (you) did NOT perceive the gun control escalations.

So maybe you didn’t realize it? You figured the gun control laws had no malicious intent and wouldn’t escalate

If you or others perceived it, you cannot use the frog analogy - which is essentially copping out of the situation

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