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Panamajack is referring to the code that allows hunters and fishermen to carry concealed, unloaded, while on the way to an expedition, and concealed, loaded, while hunting and fishing.
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----- In Lassen Volcanic National Park, this includes all administrative buildings, non-residential buildings, and buildings that serve the public. A partial list of the facilities that serve the public where firearms are prohibited include: •Kohm Yah-mah-nee Visitor Center •Loomis Museum •Discovery Center •Manzanita Lake Camper Services Store •All Drakesbad Guest Lodge facilities •All restrooms ----- http://www.nps.gov/lavo/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm Sign or no sign, I won't be shaving while wearing a sidearm in this park! ;-} Last edited by PanamaJack; 06-19-2011 at 1:33 PM.. |
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I was at Lassen in April, and, also being paranoid, and exercising my rights, did not see any 18 USC 930 signage on individual restrooms. That may have changed. The fact remains that if there is not signage at every entrance to a Federal building prohibiting firearms, one may carry UOC if not in a school zone, or CCW if permitted. The Lassen rules we are referencing imply that the prohibited buildings are marked, as they should. There is actually zero mystery about CCWing, in particular, in California. There is either a sign, or there isn't.
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Thanks, point taken on presence or absence of signage - being a non-resident, confronted by a crazy quilt of laws, I'm certainly trying to plan in advance where the problem areas will be with no first hand knowledge of the area yet. We'll be in the Mammoth Lakes area from July - Nov, and I'm happy to have a Mammoth Brewery beer with you if you're in the area around that time, just PM me!
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To those that warn that you "shouldn't" (carry), I disagree. But do what you are most comfortable with. My comfort level is this: I UOC everywhere in NF and BLM and LOC/LCC in my campsites. It just keeps everything simple. I haven't visited a NP in decades. I LUCC in State Parks but try to avoid them. |
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Thanks Mudcamper I think you're probably right that it only applies to those two specific rules. I'd heard that it was a sentencing enhancement. Time for me to go re-read the specific wording.
I was worried I'd accidentally cross an invisible line and suddenly be committing a felony. I'll run it by one of the rangers up there just to see their take on it. I tend to avoid NPs or regions with a high people density so scaring people isn't a big worry for me. SiegeX thanks for the SafePacker link. I've seen one once before and it does look like a great idea. I wish there were a locking mechanism for it so it could be used as a "secure container" while in a vehicle. I don't always carry fishing equipment on every trip so I think trying to use the fishing/hunting exceptions may not solve everything for me. |
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Hi guys, I have a dumb question about being armed on BLM land. Not a LEGAL question, the guidelines here are quite clear (and thank you!) but a question about the grey area, for example folks getting into trouble over carrying lead in a self defense sidearm while hunting with copper in their rifle in the condor zone. (which some folks here have said has happened)
Here's the scenario: I'm trying to get a buddy (unlicensed) to go with me scouting into some BLM land. I am licensed and will be carrying a loaded rifle (you know. Just in case.) If I am hunting and he is not, could he potentially get into trouble carrying a firearm loaded with lead snake shot? Seems like I have every legal base covered, but it is still an unlicensed person with a licensed person with lead (snake shot) in the condor zone. (I'm covered every which way, licensed, tagged, non-lead, rifle, etc) Do you think any authority we may run into would recognize our purely good intentions? Or am I not able to "sell" my buddy on the ability to carry on public land (till he gets his license for next season) |
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So this is interesting. I called up the Bishop Fish & Game and asked them what, if any, game was legal to hunt in the Ansel Adams Wilderness. Her response was that she didn't believe you can hunt at all in the Wilderness but she transferred me to somebody who was more knowledgeable in this manner. The phone rang to voice mail so I left my contact info; that was on Monday. About 10 minutes ago I received call regarding my voice mail. It turns out this more knowledgeable person was actually a biologist and not a fish & game warden. According to him you can legally hunt all upland birds and deer in the Ansel Adams Wilderness. I wasn't planning on taking out any deer on my 3 day hike, but I wouldn't mind taking aim at some pheasant or quail.
It really amazes me just how mysterious these gun laws seem to be to the people who are supposed to enforce them. How are we supposed to follow them if the source isn't even sure what they are? At this point I don't think my level of confidence is high enough to actually discharge my firearm in anything but an emergency in this wilderness. Last edited by SiegeX; 06-21-2011 at 4:14 PM.. |
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Well, the law seems clear, if we were SHOOTING then should be a no brainer, yes? but since we'll be scouting and MAY find an animal, it's not a code thing.... I don't want to use the word harass because all the DFG and DFS guys I've met are cool as heck, but it's not my intent to push the limit. Just carry some lead snake shot in a pistol without worry.
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I don't suppose while you're at it, you could also ask your warden friend about my hunting in Ansel Adams issue. I really don't think I should be taking legal advice from a biologist.
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Discharging a firearm within 150 yards of a campsite. Not having a firearm in possession...big difference.
Bottom line and this thead should be then closed. Bring your firearm to your campsite...do not wave it around. If a bear or cougar attacks you...shoot it. "Better tried by 12 than carried by 6"....and never allow any law-enforcement to search you vehicle. If they bring a dog in...that is usually for drugs or illegal game. Enough said everyone??? Yes??? Stay safe...
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Good point White...
Did not even think about the lead shot ban...good job Arnold...dumb a.s.s.!!!! What a fool... Bottom line...carry a gun to protect yourself...against two and four legged creatures. Just don't say anything. Not to be construed (sp?) as legal advice... Stay safe...
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8. Discharging firearms is permitted only for taking of wildlife under California game laws. Found on the Stanislaus NF website, search "firearms" I routinely LOC in my campsite and on BLM land where firearms are not restricted. Otherwise, LUCC.
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Yes, per 36 CFR 261.58 the NF can restrict firearms use this way. Per 36 CFR 261.57 they can even ban possession in Wilderness areas, although that is now illegal given Heller, plus I've never heard of a CA NF actually using that code. |
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Mud...and all others...respectfully,
Codes...Smoosh's.... I deal with codes every day....you can still get arrested. Or, have your firearms taken. That is my point. I have the right to carry that most others on here don't. Just trying to make a point. Go to your camp. ..have a great time...but, don't say that you have a firearm with you. Better to have your gun and not use it..than to not have it and need it. Enough said...yes? Stay safe...
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Thanks Taggart...
Not telling anyone to break the law...just don't admit to stuff. Even at this time...with a badge and gun...if a LEO pulled me over and asked to search my vehicle...I would say NO! My ex-wife would talk to the IRS about stuff...and offer info. I would always tell her...DO NOT offer any info unless asked....duh. The other person that quoted me...outside carry while fishing...is legal. Look it up in the CA penal code...or, is it somewhere else...don't remember. When I go camping...rare being that I live on a ranch and have access on thousands of acres combined...via friends...I always have my firearm with me. Just in case... Stay safe... QUOTE=Taggart;6772285]Best advice in the thread.[/QUOTE]
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Actually, it's really bad advice. It's borderline recommending to just break the law, which also happens to be in violation of forum rules.
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Wow..Mud needs to have a beer and relax a bit...
The "law" we are speaking about is up for discussion...as I stated...state law trumps any county ordinance. "Violation of forum rules"? Wow..Mud...as I shared...have a beer..or Coke. I personally like Pepsi...relax. You obviously have some anger management issues...take a shower...stretch...do push ups. It's all good...no worries... Sad that you are so angry...and take things so personally. I can tell you do not like folks that disagree with you...and I think others can also. Just here to offer my thoughts... Chill...it will be ok...you are not the supreme expert on here...and neither am I by any means. If you are an LEO...I would be concerned if I was your supervisor.... Just my opinion and thoughts...that's all. Stay safe...
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BTW...by the way...
I learned that from my 14 yr old daughter.... She wanted to know what I was laughing about...she read "Muds" posts...and this is from a very smart teenager that I have full custody during my divorce...how many dads out there can say that? Full custody of their daughter's? Let's start a thread about divorce...because it is one big issue regarding us in law-enforcement. She stated..."what is his problem dad?" Off topic yes...but, very telling. I hope that this is not violating "forum rules"... Mud..don't be mad...Mud...Mad...LOL Stay safe...
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If someone wants to suggest, recommend or advocate illegal activity it just might be their last post on CGN....
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jerky, I wasn't mad. And I enjoy disagreement. It's one way to learn. And anger management is a joke BTW. Pseudo-science at best. But your post comes off as passive aggressive. Perhaps you should seek professional counseling. But now I'm contributing to the distraction of an otherwise useful thread. Please take it to PMs if you'd like to continue.
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Great Thread Mud. Thanks for posting this way back when. I'm glad I ran into it now. I do alot of camping and I do currently bring my pistol locked in vehicel. I have a question in regards to the mags. Can keep my 10 round mags loaded in a mag holster on my belt next to my holstered glock while camping or around town? I've seen a man once at the video store open carrying with mags holstered on belt and he didnt look like an LEO. I wanted to talk to him but I was running late and needed to be on my way. Thats the reason I looked this up. Thanks in advanced
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Thanks for the great info on the thread here!
While fishing/camping at Kennedy Lake in the Emigrant Wilderness, I loaded-open-carried nearly the whole time and enjoyed it! Although no shooting is allowed unless while hunting, the rangers patrolling the area obviously saw my gun while we were talking with them, and they did not even mention it. |
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When you have a post deleted, do not post it again. Yes, I realize this one is missing one sentence the other one has, but for all intents and purposes, it is the same. Repost a deleted post of an offensive nature and you may be taking a vacation from here.
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Response from Mt. Pinos Ranger District
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I emailed Rick Howell (rhowell@fs.fed.us) of the Mt. Pinos Ranger District regarding firearms in the Chula Vista Campgrounds in the Los Padres National Forest and here is his response: "Hunting and gun regs are actually handled by the state and thus California state laws apply. Concealed weapons require a permit in just about every state in the union. Its hard to figure why you feel the need for a concealed weapon in a family campground. You can carry an exposed weapon loaded or not in the forest, but not in the campground. Hunting is allowed on Mt. Pinos BUT you must be 1/4 mi. from any campground or gathering point,(i.e.Parking lot) must NOT shoot across Any road or trail or waterway (wet or not) and you must hunt with lead-free ammo in a "Condor Area". Again these are California State regs and they have many more that could be enforcable by Fish and Game. You should contact them or go to their site. Also, Target shooting is ONLY allowed on the Mt. Pinos Ranger District when fire restrictions permit." Ranger Rick Seems like the Ranger Rick is not up-to-date with the new la2. |
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This is typical. Asking a Ranger is hit and miss. How are they supposed to keep up with all the subtleties of California law. Sometimes they will get it right and sometimes not.
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