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Old 04-07-2020, 3:40 PM
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I just sold a k98 on Gunbroker, and the buyer said his FFL needed an FFL to send him the firearm. Now, I looked through the ATF handbook on private sales, and it says that isn't necessary. You just have to send a state i.d. to put in the dealer's log book. Is this just a dealer's choice, or is this a new law. Thanks in advance.
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Dealer's choice, and there is almost no likelihood of changing the FFL's mind.
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Old 04-07-2020, 4:00 PM
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That I figured, but there isn't an ATF law that says it must go from an FFL to another FFL is there?
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buyer pays for all fees so let him eat it because of his ffl. I went thru this yesterday. I found an ffl in New York that will accept shipment from private party.
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That I figured, but there isn't an ATF law that says it must go from an FFL to another FFL is there?
No there is no law. Every day in this country many people (non-FFLs) ship guns to FFLs. It is perfectly normal but many FFLs do not know it or do not want to deal with it.
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Tell the buyer to find another FFL or pay to have it shipped through a FFL.

The receiving FFL needs to be able to log the firearm in and often people don't send the info needed to ensure that it is logged in from where it came from. See if you can send a copy of your ID in advance to get them to accept it.
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That’s why people put “ ffl must accept from a private party” in there ad or description.
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FFLs that won't accept from out of state shippers with no FFL are covering their butt for when the firearm gets traced. They also are preventing the case where the buyer refuses the transfer and the FFL now has a gun they can't easily ship back. It's impossible to verify that the shipper is legally allowed to have a gun if they have to ship it back.

FFLs who accept shipments from non-FFLs are often gunsmiths who routinely get guns from out of state and return directly to the client.

Keep in mind that just because you can pass a background check there is no requirement that a FFL transfer a gun to you either.

You get to deal with it, no FFL is going to change policy because you rant and threaten.

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FFLs that won't accept from out of state shippers with no FFL are covering their butt for when the firearm gets traced. They also are preventing the case where the buyer refuses the transfer and the FFL now has a gun they can't easily ship back. It's impossible to verify that the shipper is legally allowed to have a gun if they have to ship it back.
No. Such a FFL will never have to deal with a trace of the firearm. A trace goes to the first retail sale of the firearm. The person might be asked what happened to it, but saying it was sent to a FFL is no issue for them. There is nothing to cover.

A firearm shipped for a transfer can never be directly shipped back legally. The only exemption is for guns sent in for gunsmith work, which isn't a transfer. There is no guarantee that the FFL who shipped it would want it back, plus there is shipping costs which would need to be dealt with.

A policy regarding storage and abandon firearms takes care of the problem.

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FFLs who accept shipments from non-FFLs are often gunsmiths who routinely get guns from out of state and return directly to the client.
Apples and oranges, it isn't gunsmith work and so it can't be directly sent back.

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You get to deal with it, no FFL is going to change policy because you rant and threaten.
Some will listen if you find out what the issue is and resolve it. No one ever said to rant and threaten.
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