Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > OUTDOORS, HUNTING AND SURVIVAL > Survival and Preparations
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Survival and Preparations Long and short term survival and 'prepping'.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #81  
Old 03-13-2019, 7:45 PM
KevinB KevinB is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,075
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

In every country that has had government failure and strife every one of the survivors complained about not having enough ammo and weapons. Food was not the top concern.

Every one of them. I think its wise to listen to them.
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 03-13-2019, 9:15 PM
WalterJones WalterJones is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 96
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
This video made sense.

Cherry picking apples to oranges.

If we're going to base ammo decisions on police, then in addition to the 2.5 (whatever he said) rounds per dead bad guy let's also take in to account the thousands of rounds per year they shoot at the practice range to keep their skills at a level where it only takes so few rounds per bad guy

Also, Wild Bill unloaded and reloaded his cap and ball revolvers every single day. So if we're going to include him, figure 2190 rounds per year per revolver. I'm sure the other honorable old west mentions also did things a certain way and practiced quite a bit, accounting for more rounds total consumption as well.

Save as much or as little as you like, but make your own decision and do your own research.
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 03-13-2019, 9:28 PM
kygen's Avatar
kygen kygen is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: The People's Socialist Republic of Los Angeles
Posts: 3,226
iTrader: 47 / 100%
Default

I disagree with his commentary on the militia aspect. Cherry-picking like you said. He is assuming small arms will strictly be used against a modern military might. We can see from multiple combat zones since the 90s this is not the case. If SHTF here (depending on what scenario) you would see small arms and heavy weapons in use. Look at what is going on in Donetsk.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WalterJones View Post
Cherry picking apples to oranges.

If we're going to base ammo decisions on police, then in addition to the 2.5 (whatever he said) rounds per dead bad guy let's also take in to account the thousands of rounds per year they shoot at the practice range to keep their skills at a level where it only takes so few rounds per bad guy

Also, Wild Bill unloaded and reloaded his cap and ball revolvers every single day. So if we're going to include him, figure 2190 rounds per year per revolver. I'm sure the other honorable old west mentions also did things a certain way and practiced quite a bit, accounting for more rounds total consumption as well.

Save as much or as little as you like, but make your own decision and do your own research.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrillhouse700 View Post
I have to wait until all the info is in before I make a statement. Obviously the family dogs had it coming.... other than that, waiting on more info.
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 03-14-2019, 2:47 AM
the86d's Avatar
the86d the86d is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pinko-Commiefornia
Posts: 7,173
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

ANY mention of suppressive fire is completely neglected in the video.
I'm just saying...
__________________
Those who know Linux and use it daily generally find iPhruity Apple products useless...

Last edited by the86d; 03-14-2019 at 3:22 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 03-14-2019, 6:28 AM
The War Wagon's Avatar
The War Wagon The War Wagon is online now
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: da' 'BURGH
Posts: 5,412
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Red face

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilderness medic View Post
Itís a stupid idea beyond currency. If youíve blasted through that much ammunition and havenít taken out any combatants to take ammo/weapons from, youíre doing something wrong.

Keep in mind how many people live in LA alone. You've gotta cut through THAT many zombies... in almost EVERY blue state.


If not MORE.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 03-14-2019, 7:08 AM
Kyle1886's Avatar
Kyle1886 Kyle1886 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: N. San Diego Co.
Posts: 1,838
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Obviously if your out numbered and you have a ton of ammo, you are still going down---but in doing so the "enemy" is going to take losses.

Having the ammo for yourself and like minded is better that not having it. Beats sticks and stones.

Respectfully
Kyle
__________________
Take responsibility for your own actions!

WE are the NRA.

_________+__________
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 03-14-2019, 1:22 PM
B.J.F.'s Avatar
B.J.F. B.J.F. is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bullhead City, AZ
Posts: 399
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I’m gonna add more to this

Having lots of ammo, you can also supply your friends, family and neighbors you trust to have your back.

Seems to me that California’s Ammo Laws are aimed at this situation to prevent people from doing so.
__________________
Life is better in Free America!
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 03-15-2019, 1:12 AM
GW's Avatar
GW GW is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Evergreen State
Posts: 15,237
iTrader: 24 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle1886 View Post
Obviously if your out numbered and you have a ton of ammo, you are still going down---but in doing so the "enemy" is going to take losses.

Having the ammo for yourself and like minded is better that not having it. Beats sticks and stones.

Respectfully
Kyle
Not necessarily. It's a mob, not an army. Kill enough of your attackers and that will break the will of the rest.
__________________
NRA Benefactor Member
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 03-15-2019, 2:19 AM
iFrantic Kecleon iFrantic Kecleon is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Montebello
Posts: 35
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Give a man a bullet he'll shoot for a day. Teach a man to build bullets he'll survive forever! Learned that from the walking dead
Reply With Quote
  #90  
Old 03-15-2019, 3:11 AM
the86d's Avatar
the86d the86d is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pinko-Commiefornia
Posts: 7,173
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by iFrantic Kecleon View Post
Give a man a bullet he'll shoot for a day. Teach a man to build bullets he'll survive forever! Learned that from the walking dead
Yes, but if you make the primer and propellant from matches, you end up with ammo that can be stopped with a bat...
__________________
Those who know Linux and use it daily generally find iPhruity Apple products useless...

Last edited by the86d; 03-15-2019 at 3:13 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #91  
Old 03-15-2019, 5:06 AM
Dago Red Dago Red is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Central Valley
Posts: 417
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanze View Post
It's the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.
Thanks for this one, Iím gonna use it.

OP, it depends on what a persons plan is and what they think may happen. Some see it as planning for a few days or weeks. Maybe months. Inner city? Mountains with access to hunting? Different ammo needs both in type and quantity. I only have maybe 60 rounds per for my two hunting rifles as an example. Not a lot of big game hunting accessible.

Some people go off the assumption that if society collapses it could be years. What then? Training , teaching your kids. If two years in your guns turn into paper weights, well, maybe paper will be scarce too...

I think thereís no right answer for everyone, only the wrong answer of ďnoneĒ. I think some TEOTWAKI books (I noticed it heavily emphasized in 60 Seconds After, which by the way may be one of the best of the genre) floating it out as currency caused a lot of the years long 22 shortage/crazy prices.

I have a buddy who says 2k minimum for everything, do you know how much room 2k rounds of 12ga would take up!?

Red
Reply With Quote
  #92  
Old 03-15-2019, 5:28 AM
tsmithson tsmithson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 300
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Place your bets gentlemen itís time for new cards to be dealt. Iím betting more is better then less.
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old 03-15-2019, 8:48 AM
xfer42 xfer42 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 374
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Im not really worried about the amount of ammo. I have Reloaders disease. Shoot 200 rounds, load 300, now Im stuck with a part of the garage has a slight gravitational pull.
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 03-15-2019, 12:43 PM
KevinB KevinB is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,075
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Yeah I'm not a gambling man, but forced to wager, I'm taking the over in this exercise.

Less is never a good option in a gun battle.
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old 03-16-2019, 6:11 AM
sorensen440's Avatar
sorensen440 sorensen440 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sonoma
Posts: 8,605
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

Because 22lr was $12 a brick of 550 10 years ago...
__________________
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
  #96  
Old 03-16-2019, 7:17 AM
the86d's Avatar
the86d the86d is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pinko-Commiefornia
Posts: 7,173
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

IRL... Under Obama, with Democrat lies, ignorance, and pushing for bans they spurred an AMAZING number of firearm sales, which the GEN.POP. needed to feed.
Obama stated as the "Gun Salesman of the Century"!
- https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/06/new...control-sales/

For the newbs: 2010-2013, one could not find much ammo at a reasonable price, especially SS109 5.56 went to nearly $1/round at one point...
People started flipping ammo at 200%-300%+ "RETAIL".
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E...ition_shortage

Additional rumors were that there was so much of the GEN.POP. not working under Obama's reign, they had a bunch of time to clean out stores of ammo, and make okay money flipping it for that 200-300%... all from home.
__________________
Those who know Linux and use it daily generally find iPhruity Apple products useless...
Reply With Quote
  #97  
Old 03-22-2019, 9:16 PM
M60A1Rise's Avatar
M60A1Rise M60A1Rise is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 223
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch3 View Post

I can see limits on possession coming in the future, once CA DOJ and our legislature start tracking the amount of ammo being purchased.
THIS right here is the long plan imho.
Reply With Quote
  #98  
Old 03-22-2019, 11:28 PM
GW's Avatar
GW GW is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Evergreen State
Posts: 15,237
iTrader: 24 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch3 View Post

I can see limits on possession coming in the future, once CA DOJ and our legislature start tracking the amount of ammo being purchased.
Never happen. They might put limits on how much you can buy but how much you can possess?
They'll have to throw out 5th he 4th as well as the 2nd amendment. They dont have the manpower to do it anyway..
__________________
NRA Benefactor Member
Reply With Quote
  #99  
Old 03-23-2019, 5:20 AM
Kyle1886's Avatar
Kyle1886 Kyle1886 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: N. San Diego Co.
Posts: 1,838
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

"They" are not above changing the classification of ammo to be inline with powder, certain chemicals and restrict amount and storage restrictions in residences.

In essence with the new regulations you are registering your ammo and where it is stored. (I expect more regulations to follow once they get their foot in the door on this subject and not excluding local governments getting involved).

They don't care how much you shoot, it's what they think you have on hand. The records will only show purchases, not range time. Purchases will be accumulative.

Since ammo is an expendable, why even register it if your not going to control all aspects of it eventually?

Again, I'd like to be wrong, but...

Respectfully
Kyle
__________________
Take responsibility for your own actions!

WE are the NRA.

_________+__________
Reply With Quote
  #100  
Old 03-23-2019, 2:21 PM
Chuck M Chuck M is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: NorCal, East Bay
Posts: 85
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by harbormaster View Post
My situation aside if I were land based I guess I don't see the need for more than I could shoot? How many rounds does a prepper think they can shoot without being shot?
All of them...
__________________
"Stupidity should be painful"

"Common sense is not very common"

Last edited by Chuck M; 03-23-2019 at 2:35 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #101  
Old 03-23-2019, 2:23 PM
Unbekannt Unbekannt is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 254
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by harbormaster View Post
Have two good friends with 10,000's of rounds of ammo keep telling me that I must get more. Mind you I live on a boat and weight is an issue on a sailboat. I was thinking about it though and realized if I ran out of 250 rounds of 45 acp, ran out of 500 rounds of 5.56 and the 100 rounds of 300 WM the SHTF would be real; and seriously if I went through that much ammo what chance in hell does one have on a fiberglass sailboat anyway?

My situation aside if I were land based I guess I don't see the need for more than I could shoot? How many rounds does a prepper think they can shoot without being shot?
Yeah, stick with these guys.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 2:10 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2018, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
Calguns.net and The Calguns Foundation have no affiliation and are in no way related to each other.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.