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Old 09-30-2019, 12:58 PM
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Default Long range rifle precision vs bullseyes handgun shooting...

Which one is harder to master?

Let say,

Long range rifle precision up to 1000 yards.

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Bullseye handgun up to 50 yards.


Edit: Moderator, I meant to start this thread in a general gun discussion.

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Old 09-30-2019, 1:37 PM
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wow..so tough to answer...so many variables.

For myself, from specifically a physical perspective it's easier on my body to lie still prone, cushion and rest my arms as one would on a rifle as opposed to having to stand upright and steady as one would with pistol.
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I am assuming you are talking about NRA "Long-range" F-class and "Bullseye pistol"? They are equally difficult to "master", but for differing reasons. My experience in Bullseye, XTC service rifle, and F-class all depend on the fundamentals of sight alignment, breathing, and trigger control. I found the rise in ability quickest with F-class, but reading the wind is much more difficult since the margin of error is way smaller on the target. Bullseye pistol was a much slower rise with ability. Slow-fire pistol one-handed is incredibly difficult. More so than off-hand slow fire in service rifle.

Both pistol and service rifle are unsupported, so you have a lot of wobbles that takes place until you learn muscle control. There is also the timing/trigger control aspect-pulling the trigger as your brain recognizes the sight moves into the X-ring.

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Old 09-30-2019, 3:38 PM
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I would argue that Bullseye Pistol is harder since a perfect score has never been recorded in a sanctioned 2700 match, not that Long Range, Fullbore and Palma are in any way easy.
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Both equally boring and therefore, impossible, for me.
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When you get old I feel bullseye pistol is harder as it gets harder to focus on that front sight due to Presbyopia.

But shooting shotgun clays is just so much more fun!
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I was a Bullseye shooter for about 5 years and have shot long range rifle for over 30 years.

Without question, Bullseye is tougher. It's the same trigger technique, breathing, etc. but doing it standing, unsupported and with one hand is a lot tougher.
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It’s a tough question. But long range precision is simply about who has the most expensive rifle, so ...


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You mean most expensive scope...
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depends on conditions.

if you have the right equipment, under the right conditions, almost anyone can hit a target at 1000yds. (physically pulling the trigger of the rifle).
but reading wind, calculating dope and hitting tiny targets takes time and practice.



handguns would be harder imho.

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It’s a tough question. But long range precision is simply about who has the most expensive rifle, so ...


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The best rifle doesn't always win, neither does the best scope or even the best shooter.

For a lot of matches it's the guy who reads the wind the best that wins.

As far as the most expensive rifle goes, ask Randy Wise

Randy Wise Stuns With 2,158-Yard Shot, Sets New ELR World Record
by SSUSA Staff - Monday, August 26, 2019


Randy Wise set a new ELR Central World Record at a mind-blowing distance of 2,158-yards during the 2019 NRA Extreme Long-Range Nationals, held at Camp Atterbury, IN, on Friday, August 23. From a cold bore, he went three for three shooting at a 36-inch square white steel plate.

Randy Wise connected at 2,158 yards with a Savage .338 Lapua rifle, setting a new ELR Central World Record in the process at the 2019 NRA Extreme Long-Range Nationals.

Wise was shooting a Savage Arms rifle, chambered in .338 Lapua with the stock 26-inch, 1:9-inch barrel, Accurate Rifle Systems chassis, Rempel bipod and Rifle Basics trigger. The scope was a Vortex Golden Eagle. And for his load, Wise used Lapua brass with Berger 300-grain hybrid bullets, Federal 215M primers and 90.5 grains of Retumbo powder. Ballistic solving was provided by Applied Ballistics.
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LOL.
That's funny.
And proof that you know almost nothing about longrange precision shooting.
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Both equally boring and therefore, impossible, for me.
Who would believe it takes a whole day to get through just 60 rounds for score...
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That much ammo could last about a stage and a half in an IPSC match. That could possibly take as much as two minutes!
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LOL.

That's funny.

And proof that you know almost nothing about longrange precision shooting.


Doesn’t anyone have a sense of humor anymore??


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Doesn’t anyone have a sense of humor anymore??
It does not come across in writing.
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Who would believe it takes a whole day to get through just 60 rounds for score...
Worse...4 full days from 8am to 4pm each day and only 220 rounds fired..
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Worse...4 full days from 8am to 4pm each day and only 220 rounds fired..
If you were at 29 Palms or the USNMT "All Navy West" matches at Camp Pendleton, that's a long 4 days.

https://www.smgunclub.org/59th-annua...-29-palms-mtu/

Regardless of the type of shooting, whether it's IPSC, Bullseye, Palma, PRS, etc, to be a dedicated competitor takes skill and focus. Those attributes come from true effort on the shooter's part. What's that saying "it's the Indian, not the arrow", right?

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Worse...4 full days from 8am to 4pm each day and only 220 rounds fired..
Oy!
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Thanks folks for your replies.

Both styles appear to have their challenges. I’ll proceed with the long range precision hobby.

My next step is to get a basic 308 bolt action and I am eyeing on the Mossberg MVP LR.
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I think for a couple hundred more the Remington 700 5R might be a little better, but the Mossberg will be an OK start. Maybe we'll convince you to attend a Midrange NRA practice (300/500yds) or a Precision Rifle clinic/class at Pendleton:

https://www.smgunclub.org/08-10-and-...nic-and-match/
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It does not come across in writing.


Touché.


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