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Old 10-13-2019, 7:24 PM
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-AB 1297 by Assemblymember Kevin McCarty (D-Sacramento) requires any local authority issuing concealed firearm licenses to charge an applicant a fee sufficient to cover the reasonable costs of processing, issuing and enforcement of the license, and eliminates the existing $100 limit on processing fees for concealed firearm licenses.





So this will now be priced like gasoline here in the People's Republik?
This would be like charging a poll tax to cover the expenses accrued by the Sec of state to count votes in an election.
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Old 10-13-2019, 9:01 PM
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Thanks for posting this.

Precursor parts new law not to take effect until 2024, what is that all about?
Probably shaped that way on purpose by the legislator to garner Newsome's signature, as it won't be usable against him if he tries to run for President that year.
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Old 10-13-2019, 9:03 PM
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CA is a lost cause unless we can get enough people at the federal level willing to do something about them, that includes the president and congress and the DOJ. Also the supreme court needs to start weighing in on many of these cases as well. I predict in the next 5 to 10 years there wont be any legal gun owners left in CA and if there are they wont be able to use the guns for self defense under any circumstances. Again I say unless there is federal intervention CA is lost along with NY and NJ and a few other states.
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Old 10-13-2019, 9:49 PM
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This kind of **** is why I have abandoned doing anything with firearms in this state. Not purchasing any, not buying ammo, not shooting, not training, and I gave up my CCW. It isn't worth it. Too many anti-gun LE agencies and DA's. The anti-gun pols hate us. Have fun finding a jury of your peers that won't come back with a guilty plea if you have to shoot some one. And don't tell anyone you work with, or in a relationship with, that you are a gun owner. Don't even discuss it in public with anyone. Just hoping I can get the **** out of this state as soon as possible.
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Old 10-13-2019, 9:54 PM
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We knew he'd sign any and all anti gun bills that land on his desk. We ain't seen nothing yet.
Before he leaves office, he will sign a ban on all semi-auto rifles/shotguns.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:10 PM
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i will continue to exercise my first amendment rights right along with the rest. sign all the laws he wants since i am already an outlaw and been one for decades. i will not be muzzled or bow down to a man i would not waste my spit on much less some precious toxic lead.
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This kind of **** is why I have abandoned doing anything with firearms in this state. Not purchasing any, not buying ammo, not shooting, not training, and I gave up my CCW. It isn't worth it. Too many anti-gun LE agencies and DA's. The anti-gun pols hate us. Have fun finding a jury of your peers that won't come back with a guilty plea if you have to shoot some one. And don't tell anyone you work with, or in a relationship with, that you are a gun owner. Don't even discuss it in public with anyone. Just hoping I can get the **** out of this state as soon as possible.
The decision you made is just what the state is going for and I dont blame you in a way but I think if I already had CCW I will have held onto it for the duration of my time left in the state.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:17 PM
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The decision you made is just what the state is going for and I dont blame you in a way but I think if I already had CCW I will have held onto it for the duration of my time left in the state.
You get into a shooting outside your home in this state, good luck on staying out of prison. Especially if the dickhead you shoot happens to be of a certain demographic or if they are here illegally. I don’t care if you are in the most conservative county in the state, you are going to get ****ed criminally or civilly. Just not worth it to me.

I’m also taking every single firearm I own out of state next month. I work with some waffletwat communist coworkers who are hardcore Anti 2A and they all know I’m pro-gun. I fully expect one of them to start the process for a red flag seizure against me now that dickhead has signed that bill into law.
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I’m also taking every single firearm I own out of state next month. I work with some waffletwat communist coworkers who are hardcore Anti 2A and they all know I’m pro-gun. I fully expect one of them to start the process for a red flag seizure against me now that dickhead has signed that bill into law.
That blows. I'm fortunate to have a couple levels of management that shoot often and know that I do as well. My direct report manager knows that I have weekly "therapy" (range time) scheduled on my calendar every week.
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Old 10-14-2019, 7:21 AM
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Can we just do mass non compliance? stop neutering our ars and any other semi rifles as a start?
Within reason. I put an adjustable stock and pistol grip back on my AR-22.

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Old 10-14-2019, 9:21 AM
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We knew he'd sign any and all anti gun bills that land on his desk. We ain't seen nothing yet.
He did say “We have a long way to go.”

That doesn’t bode well.
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Old 10-14-2019, 9:39 AM
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What we need is a community organizer. No joke. We need a leader/figurehead to organize all of us into actually showing up, in person, to demonstrate en masse. I’m not quite ready to give up.

Also how did this turn into a debate about Jews?? A lot of Jews are college educated and from the coasts.. they’re liberal. A lot are hardcore conservative as well. Just like everyone else. These types of sweeping comments about conspiracies and the supposed involvement of certain ethnic groups lowers the level of discourse at Calguns and only benefits our enemies.
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Old 10-14-2019, 11:40 AM
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What we need is a community organizer. No joke. We need a leader/figurehead to organize all of us into actually showing up, in person, to demonstrate en masse. I’m not quite ready to give up.

Also how did this turn into a debate about Jews?? A lot of Jews are college educated and from the coasts.. they’re liberal. A lot are hardcore conservative as well. Just like everyone else. These types of sweeping comments about conspiracies and the supposed involvement of certain ethnic groups lowers the level of discourse at Calguns and only benefits our enemies.
How George Soros bankrolls many anti American groups many of which are anti 2nd Amendment, this a well known fact

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Old 10-14-2019, 12:13 PM
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Yes. But because he is Jewish? No.
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Old 10-14-2019, 12:27 PM
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All those politicians seem to have something in common, but I just can't quite put my finger on it.. hmmm

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Old 10-14-2019, 12:29 PM
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SB-172 signed today, so we have to lock all the guns at home now?
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SB-172 signed today, so we have to lock all the guns at home now?

Sorry. In another fire fight too busy to look it up. So same question. What is effective date so I can put it on my calendar. Not an urgency thing so 01 JAN 20? Good grief! It's already October. Does anyone know how to create a clone????
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Old 10-14-2019, 1:10 PM
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This should not be a debate about Jews because this takes away from the core subject of the second Amendment defense. However everyone needs to look at what our opposition has in common from money, to positions, to last names, and so forth while looking for common denominators we can use against them. But expect them to raise the issue the moment they need to. It doesn't mean we have to play into their hands but be aware of it along with other factors. we need to get back on point if we have not lost it already.
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Old 10-14-2019, 1:40 PM
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I laugh at all of you who believe you still live in an American state. Take a look at what was written in the declaration of independence some time soon. We now have the following:

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

(have fun calling the state DOJ)

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent



Nevermind the idea that red flag laws are a usurpation of your 4th and 5th amendment rights, as they're also GENERAL WARRANTS.

California represents the worst qualities of human society and will only become close to the autocratic Chinese "communist" party. Anyone staying in this state for much longer is a GOD DAMN FOOL.
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Old 10-14-2019, 1:51 PM
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I’m too young to see how this plays out in the state. Time to take my money and leave
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no, by their definition as it stands, it looks like they are describing 80% frames exclusively. Not springs and pins and triggers or even barrels. That's not to say they won't "administratively" adjust the definition before it's finally published, but it seems like after their law requiring FMBUS serial numbers to build, they realized people just won't comply, and this is the next step.
Part of the delay in implementation date is to define 80% lowers and publish the regs in a way that our side (yay) won't have 78% lowers on the market before the law takes effect.

They know that having a vague description won't pass court muster and too detailed a description is like a 400 yard section of border wall. Easy to walk around.
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Old 10-14-2019, 8:38 PM
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Part of the delay in implementation date is to define 80% lowers and publish the regs in a way that our side (yay) won't have 78% lowers on the market before the law takes effect.

They know that having a vague description won't pass court muster and too detailed a description is like a 400 yard section of border wall. Easy to walk around.
Legally, there's no such thing as an "80%" lower under state or federal law or regulation. It's just a marketing term. Some AR companies have called there's 95%. Some have left off holes like detent, safety, and pistol grip.

Federally, the issue is whether or not it "may readily be converted to expel a projectile." at which point it's a firearm. For AR receivers, BATFE currently believes that to be any machining in the fire control area, including a center punched pin location or take down pin pocket more than 0.800" in length.

At the state level, it's what constitutes

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(3) An unfinished receiver, including both a single part receiver and a multiple part receiver, such as a receiver in an AR-10- or AR-15-style firearm. An unfinished receiver includes a receiver tube, a molded or shaped polymer frame or receiver, a metallic casting, a metallic forging, and a receiver flat, such as a Kalashnikov-style weapons system, Kalashnikov-style receiver channel, or a Browning-style receiver side plate.
which as written includes 0% AR-15 forgings before DOJ gets creative with regulations

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If CA had only passed a small amount of anti-gun laws in the last decade, and had made the smallest attempt to keep them less stringent, that would have been one thing. If they had done that, then the gun people in this state might have made a decision to live and adapt.

But, noooooo. CA decided to instead double down almost every year, for the last several years. Like zombies with bloodlust, there are never enough laws for them. Each year, they pile on more and more. Each year, they either re-submit laws that didn't pass in previous years, or they write and pass laws that would have been impossible to even conceive of just a couple years ago.

So I ask, when a person lives in a state where the anti-gun laws are passed at this extreme rate, truly where is the incentive for people to try for 100% compliance?

When a society makes almost everything illegal, than that sheer quantity of laws and regulations becomes little more than noise.

My wife once taught me how to talk to our kids. She said, "Keep the instructions and corrections short. To the point. Less is more. After the first few seconds, they tune out."

CA government doesn't understand this basic human psychology. These guys truly believe that it's all about the quantity of the laws they pass. They've accomplished nothing, except to lessen the respect that voters have for all pols, and to make not only gun laws worthless, but almost all laws worthless.
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1042 bills! We need a part time legislature
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I hate that clueless ignorant people can just make up stupid laws and pass them through to another clueless person to sign into law. so many damn laws are not well thought out. I'm tired of this state. This state is nuts - there is a law or restriction or tax on everything. They should focus on schools and education and mental health instead of spending all their time on these useless laws and restrictions.

The progressive-communists embedded as legislative aides in Sacramento are neither clueless or ignorant. This incremental disarmament is quite deliberate.

It is they and the State legislators they hide behind who need to be removed from their offices.
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Has anybody read SB376? I'm not finding anything which exempts sales through a dealer. Can anyone point me to something that says a dealer can buy/consign 51 firearms from a single individual in one calendar year?
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Old 10-15-2019, 8:35 AM
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Prop 63 is the reason they can do what they want. The people want it.
The majority of those that remain do. If others had not left we might have some push-back here.
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The majority of those that remain do. If others had not left we might have some push-back here.
Stupidest logic of the entire thread right here ^.

NO, FOOL. It's due to importing third-world socialist-loving supporters since 1965. We were outnumbered then, we are beyond outnumbered now.

1. They have more kids than you.
2. More of them immigrate than people emigrating


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I saw a man outside of the local supermarket getting signatures to recall Gavin Newsom. I was at work so I didn't stop. I am going to get that recall signed one way or another.
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i think a lot of people are going to find that immigrants have plenty of weapons and when gavin starts his crackdown and it reminds them of where they came from and they have no place to run to now you may find a lot of Little mexicos, Viet Nams, Chinatowns, etc in this uprising as communities wall themselves off against the government. this mess could go any which way and anti-gun laws don't scare them because they have lived under that rule most of their lives elsewhere. It is the white person who is losing his or her rights not the immigrants.
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I would love to see a flight of sky writing planes do a bullseye directly over the Excremento capitol buildings and write 'nuke here-->" next to it...
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ALSO,ANYONE SEE THE BILL HE SIGNED ALLOWING ILLEGALS TO SERVE ON GOVERNMENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS!?!?!?!.... TRULY W....T...F...

JUST HANDING THIS STATE TO ILLEGALS AND STACKING THE DECK TO INSURE THEY ALL STAY IN POWER....

AND THEY SAY THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD IN CALIFOR.....SOUTHAMEXIFORNIA......

Every state legislator should be tarred feathered and given 20 lashes and banned from any public office for their treason...i am going light on the punishment so some can still feel warm and fuzzy on the forum.
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Now you are ruled by foreigners taking away what you have worked for all your lives. sounds like california
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We need a SCOTUS that are not cowards. They are allowing all of this.
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The majority of those that remain do. If others had not left we might have some push-back here.
Negative ghostrider, I've witnessed the fall of the once great State since the 70's and it's never gotten better.
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You get into a shooting outside your home in this state, good luck on staying out of prison. Especially if the dickhead you shoot happens to be of a certain demographic or if they are here illegally. I don’t care if you are in the most conservative county in the state, you are going to get ****ed criminally or civilly. Just not worth it to me.

I’m also taking every single firearm I own out of state next month. I work with some waffletwat communist coworkers who are hardcore Anti 2A and they all know I’m pro-gun. I fully expect one of them to start the process for a red flag seizure against me now that dickhead has signed that bill into law.
The expansion of the RF law does not take effect until Sept. 2020. You have time to plan re: co-workers. And, as a reminder, you legally carry in order to prevent you or a loved one from an early grave, worries about a lawsuit are secondary but I hear you...Need a CCWSafe policy (or equivalent) but yeah, your life is legal hell in CA if ever you need to act.

We are all taking stock of the impacts of this. I am making changes at my place of work as well. It is only prudent that everyone does.
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I love this state of California... How each year newer laws for gun control comes out. It puts me to the point where I just don't give a $%&# anymore... I'm not saying I want to be that person but because of them it puts most of the goods to say forget them laws. That why some leave CA and the ones that can't ends up with what I state above.
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Has anyone been able to find when AB 1297 will be effective? I was trying to get my CCW soon and now I'm concerned the county will price me out of being able to get one.
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Old 10-16-2019, 2:39 PM
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usually they go into effect 1/1/ the following year unless there is an emergency clause in it. and don't worry the price will go up if not for the initial cost then for the maintaining on renewal. It is the new cash cow for the sheriff's and police department and you can bet the supervisors in each county/city are going to want their taste.
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