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Old 08-01-2019, 3:40 PM
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Default New Dillon XL750

Looks like Dillon finally upgraded the primer system.

The new press appears to use the same style of primer system that the 550 uses. Wonder if they will have a retro for the 650?

https://www.dillonprecision.com/xl75...8_1_26745.html
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Old 08-01-2019, 3:56 PM
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according to Dillon the primer system is so different there will not be an upgrade option for the 650. That said---I am waiting to hear from the first user to get there 750 and give a product review cause if it's good I am on board!!
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Old 08-01-2019, 4:43 PM
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Looks to be a straight replacement for the XL650 which has dropped of the dillon site and is not in the September issue of the Blue Press.

It will be interesting to see some reports and videos of people using them to see what exactly has changed
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Old 08-01-2019, 5:18 PM
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I was just on their site and chatting with them. 650 is still on their page. Everything from the 650 is compatible with the 750 except the primer station. The changes are such there will be no upgrade to the 650. I'd like to hear from a new user to get details but heck----I'll sell my 650 and be the guinnie pig---anyone want my 650
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I'm glad to see they're doing something with it because primer errors are probably 75% of these mistakes and errors that I get on my 650
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Old 08-01-2019, 6:57 PM
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Dillion Primer system does bite for sure.
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Old 08-01-2019, 6:59 PM
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Hot off the press! I'll be your test dummy----gentleman close by wanted to make a deal on my 650 and some steel stands so I went for it and ordered the 750. Once I have it set up I'll report back.
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Old 08-01-2019, 7:09 PM
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I've never had problem with primers on 550 or 650,
my only hiccup with 650 is cases occasionally jamming against the little ejector wire
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:36 PM
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While the 550/1050 primer slider is more simple than the rotary I wouldn't even think of selling my 650 just for that. Once you know how to set the platform and shell plate its not a big deal. The stroke will be slightly longer as well so .338 Lapua can be loaded on it but I wouldn't load that on a progressive anyway. The most appealing thing to me is the new casefeeder without the dumb metal plate the bulletfeeder doesn't like.

I was really hoping for new stuff out of Dillon. Instead they teased everyone with the RL1100 which isn't much different then the S1050 except for a shorter stroke of the old RL1050 and a bit bigger ram, and I say teased because they aren't even shipping yet. Then the CP which is nice but pretty much just the 1100 without the loading gear. Now the XL750 which is the same as a 650 but they added a few things that had to be made in the aftermarket that should have been done to start and reverted back to the old primer setup. I also see nothing about the 1100 that makes me want to trade my S1050 for.
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I have yet to have a problem with priming anything on my 650.
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I've already checked on the retro. No go from what they said. Not sure what that means exactly. I can't imagine that they actually redesigned the press. Looks like a 650 with additional updates.
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I am looking forward to your reviews on the 750. I have been contemplating getting into reloading and getting the 650, so if I jump in, might as well be with the 750.
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I'm a little annoyed. I have two recently purchased 650s with a ton of upgrades
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I'm a little annoyed. I have two recently purchased 650s with a ton of upgrades
Call Dillon and see what they say, the worst is nothing, best is they upgrade you!
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Old 08-03-2019, 8:54 AM
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Maybe Dillon will come up with a retro kit. New frame and primer set up?
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google around some guy called dillion and got the scoop.

It is a 650 with extra machine work done to accomidate a 550 style primer system and a re worked shell plate.

So NO retro fit and NO base frame model.

if you buy the aftermarket primer catcher tube into bottle deal and put on the reduced tool plate spring I think you are about as good or better.
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I've had my 650 for over 20 years and the only weak side is the primer system once in a while. Never have any primer problems with the 550's?
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I'll have mine on Tuesday. I should be able to post no later than Wednesday night with details.
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Call Dillon and see what they say, the worst is nothing, best is they upgrade you!
The cost of shipping them back i could get a 750.
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Never have any primer problems with the 550's?
All the freakin time. A real pain in arrs. The plate that the primer bar slides on wears quickly, then the primer bar sticks and gets jerky, throwing the primer out of the cup. And also sometimes won't go in far enough to pick up new primer cause primer bar sticks on plate. I think I am on my fourth primer bar and plate now.
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I'm glad to see they're doing something with it because primer errors are probably 75% of these mistakes and errors that I get on my 650
then you are doing it wrong I can run 1000 rounds did so last night with no primer problems other than refilling the tubes.
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New info from Dillion looks like tool head upgrade and a stripped down 750 will be avalible

" The XL650 cannot be updated into an XL750. The design change to the primer feed, and the necessary machining changes to the frame preclude this. We will be offering the new style index block, with the roller and overtravel stop, for the XL650.
We will be offering a very stripped version of the XL750 in a few months, that does not include a conversion kit, toolhead, powder measure, handle, and case feed post, so if you want to use much of your XL650 components, you aren't paying for duplicates.
The XL750 and XL650 have identical frame mounting holes, so no redrilling or new strong mount is needed. "
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so,,,existing case and bullet feeders will work on the new 750?
that's the only reason I'd upgrade from my 550.
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New info from Dillion looks like tool head upgrade and a stripped down 750 will be avalible

" The XL650 cannot be updated into an XL750. The design change to the primer feed, and the necessary machining changes to the frame preclude this. We will be offering the new style index block, with the roller and overtravel stop, for the XL650.
We will be offering a very stripped version of the XL750 in a few months, that does not include a conversion kit, toolhead, powder measure, handle, and case feed post, so if you want to use much of your XL650 components, you aren't paying for duplicates.
The XL750 and XL650 have identical frame mounting holes, so no redrilling or new strong mount is needed. "
Offering basically the xl650 upgrade is a good idea, shall we take bets on the cost? I'm guessing $450
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I have yet to have a problem with priming anything on my 650.
Really?? You've never had a .45acp flip over and go in up side down? Or a primer go in sideways?? I usually have one or two out of every few hundred do that.
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then you are doing it wrong I can run 1000 rounds did so last night with no primer problems other than refilling the tubes.
I (and many other people who agree with me) must be doing all wrong I guess. I just find that if your shell plate rotation isn't dialed in PERFECTLY, then a .45 or other large PP will fip over or go in sideways every so often.

Do you reload LPP?
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Just got my new Blue Press issue September. It is double in size, thought maybe the print was larger for us old farts, but not. XL 750 on the cover.
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Really?? You've never had a .45acp flip over and go in up side down? Or a primer go in sideways?? I usually have one or two out of every few hundred do that.
well over 20,000 of .45acp with LPP and I can't remember a single primer sideways or flip.
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I (and many other people who agree with me) must be doing all wrong I guess. I just find that if your shell plate rotation isn't dialed in PERFECTLY, then a .45 or other large PP will fip over or go in sideways every so often.

Do you reload LPP?
duhh all of them no fliped primers only problem was trying to stick a large primer into a small primer hole kaboom.
ans yeah you and everyone else are doing it wrong I have been on this machine over 30 years NO sideways primers.
mayne mine got worn in LOL
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well over 20,000 of .45acp with LPP and I can't remember a single primer sideways or flip.
Cool deal! I guess Dillion redesigned the press for no reason. lol.
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Cool deal! I guess Dillion redesigned the press for no reason. lol.
I didn't say that, I just said there was nothing wrong the original primer system on my press.

I still have not decided if Dillon improved the priming system on the 750 or re-designed it to be cheaper to produce and make more money.

But the 650 priming system works just fine, keep it clean and it works. I am always looking to improve my reloading speed though and if the 750 is "better" then I may consider upgrading my 2 650's. I know Dillon says you can't put the 750 priming system on the 650, but I bet with some machining you can, or sell the 650's and upgrade. I very seriously doubt its worth it though, the 650 is a fine machine.
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AS I mentioned in my new thread 750 review---The new primer system works very well. It can load faster than I can set bullets. I couldn't run that fast on the 650 without hiccups. it was well worth the upgrade
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Thanks for the reviews, near future purchase but wanted to see how the 750 pans out
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I've put 2K rounds through it now and am very pleased. The only thing I run into now with my whole system is the occasional case that comes down the tube upside down. As I mentioned-I ran 500 rounds of 9MM in 26 minutes. The limiting factor was how fast I can pick up bullets and set with my left hand. I could never run the 650 that fast.
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I've loaded over 10k 45acp on my 650 and never had a primer issue.
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