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Old 08-07-2022, 11:34 AM
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Hi everyone.

1) Are the only differences that:

a) SCAR 16 is 5.56 and 17 and 20 are 7.62 and 6.5 Creedmor?
b) -16 and -17 are 16.25" barrels and -20 is 20" barrel?
Any other differences?

2) Assuming you already have an AR-15 and -10, if you had the opportunity, what rifle would you choose? AR-15? AR-10? SCAR? If SCAR which one? I would not choose Creedmor as I have a lot of 5.56 and .308 ammo already and do not want to stockpile another caliber. Gun would be for fun and home defense.

In addition to which would you choose ... why?

I haven't bought anything new in a long time and am getting itchy.

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Old 08-07-2022, 11:49 AM
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IMO a DPMS/LR patterned 308 rifle has better parts support for more reasonable price/availability. Aftermarket selection is very mature at this point. Less pay and more play and good reliability can still be had.
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:52 AM
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Since you have 308 on hand, I would go with the SCAR 17.

I went with the SCAR 16 because I had more 5.56 and I love it. I primarily wanted a 5.56 rifle that wasn't an AR and decided the SCAR was the best for me. I had always wanted on as well but never got around to buying it.

You will not regret it, the SCAR is an absolutely beautiful piece of machinery. I love shooting it so much more than any AR I own.
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Old 08-07-2022, 12:29 PM
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Thanks guys. Let's say for someone who has a nice AR-15 (Noveske) and a nice -10 (LWRC REPR) and has an itch for another rifle. SCAR? Or would you think "meh. You already have a nice -15 and -10. Save your money? If yes on the SCAR which one would you choose and why?

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The FN SCAR-16S, SCAR-17S, and SCAR-20S utilize different receivers.

The SCAR-16 receiver accepts small caliber cartridges.
The SCAR-17 receiver accepts medium caliber cartridges.
The SCAR-20 receiver accepts medium caliber cartridges and is made with internal re-enforcements that makes it more optimized as a precision rifle than a battle rifle.


IMO...
If you want something that your AR15 style rifle can do, then get a SCAR-16S.
If you want a modern battle rifle, then get a SCAR-17S.
If you want a designated marksman rifle, the get a SCAR-20S.
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Old 08-07-2022, 1:58 PM
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Save a bunch of $$ and get a Zastava M77 in .308






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If it makes you happy, buy it. Why not

However, personally, once I shot my SCAR16, I have zero interest getting anything else SCAR. Frankly I thought the Bren shot better and more comfortable then SCAR and AR is still the most comfortable for me. But everyone's mileage will be different.
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I've owned a 16 and now a 17.

IMO the weight of the 16 doesn't really justify having it over a good AR.

The 17 on the other hand is very very light and very accurate for the weight for a .308. I still have mine. Kinetic development made the stuff to fix the gripes I had with it. The non reciprocating charger would be nice to have, but I'm not willing to fork out the $500 for the upgrade 😝
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Thanks guys. Let's say for someone who has a nice AR-15 (Noveske) and a nice -10 (LWRC REPR) and has an itch for another rifle. SCAR? Or would you think "meh. You already have a nice -15 and -10. Save your money? If yes on the SCAR which one would you choose and why?

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Old 08-10-2022, 9:44 AM
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So it seems to me ...

SCAR 16 shooting a 5.56... well AR is already a perfect platform with lots of mods available so from what I'm reading ... no real advantage to buy a SCAR 16 vs any high quality AR. So that wouldn't make sense to me.

SCAR 17 looks amazing. I have an AR-10 (LWRC) but SCAR looks so good. Anyone have one? LWRC REPR and/or SCAR 17? How do you compare them? Of course then the cost goes up to get a good optic...
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I don't see the real world benefit of a 16 or 17 over your 15 and 10.

But it seems as if you're itching to find an excuse to buy a SCAR. So buy one, if you have the money for the price of entry.

The 16 is too heavy for what it is. Since you have lots of .308, it seems the decision is easy.
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The 17 or 20 for sure, like others have said the 16 while nice is well covered by AR’s. The 20 is great if your main purpose and use will be for long range. But if from CQB to medium range will be what you use it for the 17 is the sweet spot. I’ve had mine for close to 7 years feed it a steady diet of old surplus 7.62 and it’s been nothing but reliable with 20 and 10 round stock mags. Even have four aftermarket plastic 20 round mags that make great range mags.

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I don't see the real world benefit of a 16 or 17 over your 15 and 10.

But it seems as if you're itching to find an excuse to buy a SCAR. So buy one, if you have the money for the price of entry.

The 16 is too heavy for what it is. Since you have lots of .308, it seems the decision is easy.
Well the AR-10 I have is a REPR. SCAR 17 just looks cool. Reports are pretty great. I think REPR is heavier. If I had it all to do over again I think I'd think about making my rifles in 6.5 Creedmor but my first firearm was an M1A and so I bought more and more .308 and now I really have enough .308. If it's good enough to beat the Nazis in WW2 it's good enough for me!
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I like the 17. But I also like my M&P10 and M1A.

If you want a non AR semiauto .308, consider the FAL and PTR as well.

Forget the 16. Thats a waste, might as well just get a really good AR or MCX.

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Well the AR-10 I have is a REPR. SCAR 17 just looks cool. Reports are pretty great. I think REPR is heavier. If I had it all to do over again I think I'd think about making my rifles in 6.5 Creedmor but my first firearm was an M1A and so I bought more and more .308 and now I really have enough .308. If it's good enough to beat the Nazis in WW2 it's good enough for me!
The Nazi's were defeated with .30-06, not .308.
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The Nazi's were defeated with .30-06, not .308.
There was also a fair amount of .303British and 7.62x54mmR involved in the European front.
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There are no ARs that are going to go 200,000 rounds full auto with basically no failures. This was documented from Battlefield Las Vegas. Replaced the barrel & the hammer broke. A regular M4 will never touch that round count. I don't think my Daniel Defense M4A1 would go 200K rounds without significant failures. This is basically why the military has been trying to replace the M16/M4.
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if you already have an ar-15 and an ar-10, i would get the scar 20s.

it is going to add something to your current capabilities, perhaps the one of most accurate gas guns out there for .308.

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There was also a fair amount of .303British and 7.62x54mmR involved in the European front.
He's comparing US guns and US cartridges. The US armed forces didn't use .303 or 7.62x54 against the nazi's.
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The difference between the SCAR 16 and SCAR 17 is little pew pew and big PEW PEW.
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So I was thinking about it … I don’t actually have an optic on my repr. I’m thinking since I already have that why don’t I spend the money I was thinking of on the scar and buy an awesome optic instead …
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Depends what you want it for.

For long range, I’d personally go with the Seekins SP10. Aesthetically, the SCAR is more interesting. The SP10 is a very reliable and mission proven platform. It has a lot going for it.
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I like the Robinson XCR-M better. YMMV
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I think its weird anyone who likes/uses rifles says .308/7.62 nato was used in ww2
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I think its weird anyone who likes/uses rifles says .308/7.62 nato was used in ww2
In my defense...
The first rifle I bought was Springfield M1A (.308/7.62). When people debate about ball or hollow point or whatever for self defense they respond "ball was good enough to win WW2." Now with my first rifle being the M1A, which is essentially the civilian version, I assumed the Garand shot the same as the M1A. It turns out the .308 came out in 1952, but I had to look that up.

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