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Old 06-16-2021, 9:56 AM
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Lets see she called me and 5 million NRA members like me, a terrorist !

In what world do you live where you give a person who hates you enough to label you an enemy, the same credibility as you give a friend?

She said the NRA is a Terrorist organization. This is an opinion. ja308, you constantly label people as slobs on this forum. You have insulted me on this forum and used the rationale that you are willing to be reprimanded for your opinion, even if it violates the user agreement of this forum. That is simply acting petulant. Is her opinion anymore relevant than yours? Not in this forum, but her message/opinion resonates with many.

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In what world do you live, where you give a person that hates you enough to label you an enemy, the same credibility you give a friend?

Are you referring to Letitia James? Or is it someone else, and who would it be?

I live in a world where I interpret your rhetorical question is subject of interpretation… mutually exclusive vs mutually inclusive

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"In what world do you live, where you give a person that hates you enough to label you an enemy, the same credibility you give a friend?

Are you referring to Letitia James? Or is it someone else, and who would it be?

I live in a world where I interpret your rhetorical question is subject of interpretation… mutually exclusive vs mutually inclusive

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I am referring to Leticia James who has called us terrorists and now wants to destroy us. First the NRA as a group and then all members she can take down as individuals .

Leticia James did call us a terrorist organization. So thats her opinion. Its a fact she considers each of us an enemy! Hence the label terrorist.

Its not my opinion, but a fact that terrorists are hunted, imprisoned and sometimes executed by governments.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...-organization/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...anization.html

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“The NRA holds [itself] out as a charitable organization, but in fact, [it] really [is] a terrorist organization,” she said in a 2018 interview with Ebony.

Once again what world do you live in, where someone accuses you of belonging to a terrorist group and you give that person credibility?
BTW what terrorist acts has the NRA board or a member ever committed ?

Finally only a disgusting, filthy, brain dead slob, would accuse the fine, decent, taxpaying, hardworking, productive, educated, articulate, patriotic members of the NRA a being a terrorist group.
I will repeat this lying degenerate, Letica James has ZERO credibility and anyone who think she has, is a flat out moron, unfit to live among free people.

THATS A FACT !

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Aren’t you the guy who decided not to join the nra because a guy at a gun show said you didn’t look like an nra member?
That was one of several factors, hardly the only one. Please get it right next time. :-)

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And california is the way it is, 2A wise, because most gun owners here don’t give two ****s about gun rights. They are either apathetic and can’t be bothered to be aware of anything that’s going on, fudds who actively support gun control (common sense of course ), or the *******s you regularly see here who aren’t “single issue voters” and will continue to vote against guns even though gay marriage, pot, and illegal immigration are all effectively legal in CA. All the crazy prog bull**** has passed in CA and liberal gun owners still refuse to vote 2A.
It's not that they refuse to vote pro-2A. Rather, it's that they don't want to vote Republican, and yes, the Republicans have several major problems that prevent liberal gun owners from voting for them. If they would drop this "only CHREEEESCH-CHUUNS are welcome!" mentality, if they would quit worshiping the Confederacy, and several other things, then maybe they would get traction with liberal voters. But they won't, so they keep losing in states like CA. They're even scared to go campaign in, say, majority-Black neighborhoods and make their case! "Oh, I don't wanna go there, too many BLACKS!", and yes, I've actually heard that kind of statement many times from Republicans over the years. The Democrats, by contrast, go there and thus get the votes.

Look what that's gotten you all. You have among the strictest gun control in the nation, thanks to "St. Ronnie" and Don Mulford and all the rest. It's CA Penal Code Section 12031, if you didn't know. That's what you have now. To change that, you've got to change the minds of the voters in CA...and that means mostly non-Republicans. You've got to start being nice to those folks who aren't like you if you want to make things better. That's what I do here in Virginia, and we've got a shot at making some progress if the Republicans don't get STUPID YET AGAIN and lose this election like they have the last two. You cannot run Falwell-style candidates and win in CA and VA anymore; doesn't work. You've got to run more Scott Browns, Bob Sarvises, Gary Johnsons, etc. Sadly, the Republicans seem to only want the Falwells, and that's why they repeatedly lose in states like yours and mine.

Fix that, and you have a chance at fixing the anti-2A sickness as well.
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That was one of several factors, hardly the only one. Please get it right next time. :-)



It's not that they refuse to vote pro-2A. Rather, it's that they don't want to vote Republican, and yes, the Republicans have several major problems that prevent liberal gun owners from voting for them. If they would drop this "only CHREEEESCH-CHUUNS are welcome!" mentality, if they would quit worshiping the Confederacy, and several other things, then maybe they would get traction with liberal voters. But they won't, so they keep losing in states like CA. They're even scared to go campaign in, say, majority-Black neighborhoods and make their case! "Oh, I don't wanna go there, too many BLACKS!", and yes, I've actually heard that kind of statement many times from Republicans over the years. The Democrats, by contrast, go there and thus get the votes.

Look what that's gotten you all. You have among the strictest gun control in the nation, thanks to "St. Ronnie" and Don Mulford and all the rest. It's CA Penal Code Section 12031, if you didn't know. That's what you have now. To change that, you've got to change the minds of the voters in CA...and that means mostly non-Republicans. You've got to start being nice to those folks who aren't like you if you want to make things better. That's what I do here in Virginia, and we've got a shot at making some progress if the Republicans don't get STUPID YET AGAIN and lose this election like they have the last two. You cannot run Falwell-style candidates and win in CA and VA anymore; doesn't work. You've got to run more Scott Browns, Bob Sarvises, Gary Johnsons, etc. Sadly, the Republicans seem to only want the Falwells, and that's why they repeatedly lose in states like yours and mine.

Fix that, and you have a chance at fixing the anti-2A sickness as well.
Yeah if only we republicans were more like San Francisco democrats you would join the NRA and GOP would win California, New York and Illinois.

Lets see the public employee/ teachers unions would suddenly get onboard and face reasonable, affordable pension plans, as opposed to the disaster now facing california.
The minority newspapers and TV networks would suddenly report fairly and we could expect 50% loyalty from every group known as a minority.
If were more like democrats, republicans would not be demonized and the very stupid would not be 3rd party.
If we were more like democrats we would lose ALL our rights ! Guns, speech, religious freedom and even assembly !

It just occurred to me we republicans control 34 state governments aka free states, and won a landslide victory with Donald Trump
BTW how about your liberal New York AG trying to take down the NRA ? Not much liberal tolerance there ?
So Mr liberal good idea, put on your thinking cap and figure out how democrats can cheat in these 34 solid GOP states. Then you can lecture us again with nonsense.




Please DO NOT JOIN the NRA we don't want you as member.

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Yeah if only we republicans were more like San Francisco democrats you would join the NRA and GOP would win California, New York and Illinois.

Lets see the public employee/ teachers unions would suddenly get onboard and face reasonable, affordable pension plans, as opposed to the disaster now facing california.
The minority newspapers and TV networks would suddenly report fairly and we could expect 50% loyalty from every group known as a minority.
If were more like democrats, republicans would not be demonized and the very stupid would not be 3rd party.
If we were more like democrats we would lose ALL our rights ! Guns, speech, religious freedom and even assembly !

Please DO NOT JOIN the NRA we don't want you as member.

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Yeah if only we republicans were more like San Francisco democrats you would join the NRA and GOP would win California, New York and Illinois.

Lets see the public employee/ teachers unions would suddenly get onboard and face reasonable, affordable pension plans, as opposed to the disaster now facing california.
The minority newspapers and TV networks would suddenly report fairly and we could expect 50% loyalty from every group known as a minority.
If were more like democrats, republicans would not be demonized and the very stupid would not be 3rd party.
If we were more like democrats we would lose ALL our rights ! Guns, speech, religious freedom and even assembly !

Please DO NOT JOIN the NRA we don't want you as member.

Cowboy T did not write anything like that. Your reply is a straw man argument fallacy.
You could if asked Cowboy T if he was referring to someone like Jack Kemp?

Your request for him not to join the NRA is just intended to shun him. He can join, and you would never know. members, Board members, or corporate officers of the non profit either, again, with no power… just Wayne, autonomously running the NRA, so it appears to many.

More importantly is what Cowboy T wrote about engaging with the other side, or liberal voters. The current narrative by many pro 2a, is to insult people who don’t have the same perspective, to not reach out, and how has that worked out? Maybe a different tact? What that is, I have no clue, but it just seems the fight is unsustainable, especially if so much NRA funding is heading towards legal defense for a lawsuit based on financial disclosures, not 2a.

A year ago, when I was picking up a firearm from my LGS, I kept giving up Place in line, to see how
Many new gun owners were attempting to buy protection. They learned about taking a firearms safety course, the 240 hour hold, and the scarcity of firearms and ammo.
A different, very smug self righteous local gun shop owner posted an IG video about how this is a painful lesson the liberals…

insulting panic buying customers willing to pay anything for security.
I perceived this unique period, for more folks to join pro 2A organizations.. that gun shop owners was correct, just no tact, and not a great way to reach out to new firearm owners.


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Uhh... no. Not the way, JA. I'm thankful for your drive and passion, but you need to reel it in just a bit.

As much as Cowboy may be irksome and uses the word 'liberal" incorrectly in his coyly derived signature catch-phrase, no matter how liberal his other interests may be, if he is as 2nd Amendment supportive as he claims to be, I would gladly stand alongside him in the fight, and be thankful to have him stand alongside me.

We can see that in groups like Pink Pistols or Black Gun Owners Association.

These groups should not need to have their own segregated groups, they should all simply be part of the NRA, even if they so choose to highlight that difference from within, BUT we should all recognize our similiarities as gun owners rather than our differences otherwise, so long as that does not include 'compromise' or 'yeah, but...' where the 2nd Amendment as written is concerned.

For all I care, you can be as liberal as you want to be, except where the 2nd Amendment is concerned, if in fact you are to be an NRA member, as preservation of the 2nd Amendment is the only reason anyone should join the NRA as its only concern - which is all I've ever seen it to be first hand for more than 50 years of my time in it: that, to me, is written in stone for ALL "The People" regardless of race, religion ( or lack thereof ), gender or gender identity, sexual associative preference, economic standing, cultural or geographical background, political standing, or whatever other attribute one uses to define themselves.

I still say that if Cowboy wants to see the NRA be the very NRA he would like it to be, he should just join and wear it like a banner - and just by him being a member, he is then that 1 more than it was before of being unlike what he doesn't like about it, and by his example maybe others will follow suit.

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If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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You are comparing a collegiate football coach salary, to the EVP of a non profit public benefit corporation. I do not see the comparison as reasonable.

Biblical history is as subjective as citing the Babylon bee, not suitable for trying to convince anyone interested in truth.

No one on this forum would argue that the attorney general of New York has an agenda, and she is trying to ruin the NRA.
And as you wrote, “anyone with a brain” would also know why she can attack them. She can’t truly face them on the merit of being defenders of 2A, but rather from what the NRA created-low hanging fruit. This is solely the fault of the NRA, and now they are facing the consequences for it.
If one doesn’t want to be compliant with tax code for a public benefit corporation, then this was just a matter of time before a political soros puppet/AG would risk her own career. She is much more secure in her future by attempting to disband the NRA on the tax impropriety rather than attacking the 2A.

The expenses from the NRA defending itself, when it should not have to, in the first place, is wasting funds that NRA members donate, most members assuming that the funds go for training, safety, promoting shooting sports, and protection gun owners rights…
Instead we are witnessing the brewer law firm, using 17 million dollars-and more, to defend the NRA from the allegation of financial mismanagement. Not only that, to see the bylaws of the NRA changed so board members aren’t advised of a plan to file for bankruptcy, raises a red flag. This is not normal, as oversight is usually performed by board members in a corporation, not exclude them.

WLP signed the bankruptcy paperwork, and he is fortunate that the judge didn’t have him arrested for filing in bad faith, and the paperwork warns of this, that is is a FELONY to do so.

WLP will receive $1,000,000 annually for consultation, when he retires. He also receives a $17,000,000 golden parachute…I would say that parachute is Rhodium, not golden.

Also, you never replied about how Wayne got us over 5 million members. How did he do that?


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With respect to funds spent, that is the concern of contributing members and not those outside the organization, correct? Those outside have no standing nor an expectation of how NRA spends its money. That may influence your decision to join or not, but so far as accountability - not your thing, yes?

I'm not an attorney, but I've paid for plenty of their drinks. If you are a tax law attorney I'd give credence to the "should be arrested" assessment but otherwise, on what do you base this opinion?

As you have asked for specific info please do the same re $1,000,000.00 annual "consulting" and the $17M parachute.

CA has a lot of very hardworking, intelligent gunowners. Probably more than any other state. Perhaps we could win at the polls or get disinterested gunowners to do something other than vote for Ds. But the combination of disinterested types and anti-gun polls, quite the challenge.

Regarding membership, I'm going to be lazy since the question wasn't asked of me. I don't know when WLP joined NRA. I suppose others do. The charts from HuffPo and Mother Jones chart the numbers.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ine-numbers-1/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-m...b005b0fdc8fe90

Re salary and membership:

https://money.com/wayne-lapierre-net...-money-salary/

They're a couple of years old because as I said, I'm lazy and being at work, I should be looking at porn not gun stuff.

I presume some will say "prove WLP is responsible" and that is of course impossible. The "captain of the ship" theory applies. Good or bad, minor or major, the captain is responsible for what happens to his ship.

If you want to join NRA, fine. If not, join something else and speak well of it. Unfortunately, to borrow a line from Adlai Stevenson, the mantra of too many CA gunowners is "don't just do something, stand there …"
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Here's what he wrote-
"It's not that they refuse to vote pro-2A. Rather, it's that they don't want to vote Republican, and yes, the Republicans have several major problems that prevent liberal gun owners from voting for them. If they would drop this "only CHREEEESCH-CHUUNS are welcome!" mentality, if they would quit worshiping the Confederacy, and several other things, then maybe they would get traction with liberal voters. But they won't, so they keep losing in states like CA. They're even scared to go campaign in, say, majority-Black neighborhoods and make their case! "Oh, I don't wanna go there, too many BLACKS!", and yes, I've actually heard that kind of statement many times from Republicans over the years. The Democrats, by contrast, go there and thus get the votes."

Cowboy T is not very well informed and very possibly is a flat out liar.
1st off we do not demand or encourage any religious litmus test. We are a big tent that includes all persons who love liberty, including agnostics, atheists, jews and all variations within those groups and every other group not mentioned. Read the platform!

2nd no one I know worships the confederacy and there have been no statements made by the Republican Party or any representative. In fact it was the GOP that fought against the confederacy to free slaves. One again He is mistaken or a liar !

Cowboy T insults Reagan and mulford for making a possible mistake while ignoring 100s of anti gun laws written by democrats every single year .

I repeat this is not the caliber of person I would encourage to join the NRA or even own a gun !
I might even block him in future for being a FAKESTREAM parrot !
He does nothing to learn gun culture truth, or history and has no respect for human life as evidenced by his antichristian bias.

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Uhh... no. Not the way, JA. I'm thankful for your drive and passion, but you need to reel it in just a bit.

As much as Cowboy may be irksome and uses the word 'liberal" incorrectly in his coyly derived signature catch-phrase, no matter how liberal his other interests may be, if he is as 2nd Amendment supportive as he claims to be, I would gladly stand alongside him in the fight, and be thankful to have him stand alongside me.

We can see that in groups like Pink Pistols or Black Gun Owners Association.

These groups should not need to have their own segregated groups, they should all simply be part of the NRA, even if they so choose to highlight that difference from within, BUT we should all recognize our similiarities as gun owners rather than our differences otherwise, so long as that does not include 'compromise' or 'yeah, but...' where the 2nd Amendment as written is concerned.

For all I care, you can be as liberal as you want to be, except where the 2nd Amendment is concerned, if in fact you are to be an NRA member, as preservation of the 2nd Amendment is the only reason anyone should join the NRA as its only concern - which is all I've ever seen it to be first hand for more than 50 years of my time in it: that, to me, is written in stone for ALL "The People" regardless of race, religion ( or lack thereof ), gender or gender identity, sexual associative preference, economic standing, cultural or geographical background, political standing, or whatever other attribute one uses to define themselves.

I still say that if Cowboy wants to see the NRA be the very NRA he would like it to be, he should just join and wear it like a banner - and just by him being a member, he is then that 1 more than it was before of being unlike what he doesn't like about it, and by his example maybe others will follow suit.

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Gleam I have lots of respect for your POV !
However in this instance, regarding CBT, based on what he's written denigrating and lying about who we are and what we believe.

Its just as likely he would shoot us in the back for being what media told him we are. Take note good Sir, he ridiculed Reagan for a minor mistake and has ignored 100s of gun restriction laws written every year by democrats.
Lets see #1 Intolerant Christians
#2 Love of confederacy
#3 Fear of inner city Blacks
Probably believes as another gun owning liberal believed that we want people to die I the streets for lack of health care.
No doubt he could be influenced by a charismatic Leticia James and label us "terrorists"

We don't need another liberal like James Hodgkinson.
As for him in the NRA. How much manure does it take to ruin a bowl of sugar.
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Cowboy T is not very well informed....
The best way for us to get him informed is to encourage he join the NRA, so he can learn first-hand all these erroneous things he thinks are true, are not the case, and no different than the bunch of wild perceptions he claims NRA members think of others in kind. The media certainly reinforces these falsehoods, that's for sure.

That prejudice is a two-way street until education casts a spotlight on it, exposing the misinterpretations.

The impressions causing the impasse is uncanny, because he is doing exactly that which he assumes NRA members are doing, about irrelevant qualities, but his misconception would dissolve were he to join the NRA and explore the reality for himself.

But if one is going to let some side-show attribute the NRA leadership holds dear ( religion ) keep them from joining the NRA, then they are throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and are then just making excuses NOT to join the NRA when its likely some other underlying motive persists; apathy, stingy with money, fear, anti-2nd Amendment, or happily married in holding on to ignorance.
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If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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That was one of several factors, hardly the only one. Please get it right next time. :-)
It was important enough for you to mention.
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Look what that's gotten you all. You have among the strictest gun control in the nation, thanks to "St. Ronnie" and Don Mulford and all the rest. It's CA Penal Code Section 12031, if you didn't know.
Since you don't know, it's California Penal Code Section 25850. It was changed over a decade ago...Level up.

And the Mulford Act was nothing more than an attempt by a bunch of scared Oakland white folks to disarm the Blacks patrolling their communities after the police failed. Their appearance at the Capitol with loaded arms tipped the conversation in 1967.
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It was important enough for you to mention.

Since you don't know, it's California Penal Code Section 25850. It was changed over a decade ago...Level up.

And the Mulford Act was nothing more than an attempt by a bunch of scared Oakland white folks to disarm the Blacks patrolling their communities after the police failed. Their appearance at the Capitol with loaded arms tipped the conversation in 1967.
Yes I think we can all agree that armed revolutionaries showing up at the state capitol, is a very desirable action that most legislators would approve of. Don Mulford and Ronald Reagan were the exception. UH HUH LOL

It was clearly an overreaction to this mostly peaceful group who were said to feed neighborhood children, although none obviously had jobs.
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To address your first point: I can only guess that the possibility of the NRA’s involvement with conservative politicians, and those politicians voting consistently with what the NRA desired, and the rhetoric from NRA could be the catalyst for the current media, and inspired a Soros backed AG. The NRA backs politicians, do they not? Perhaps it was the “famous” phone call that WLP had with DJP after the Vegas shooting, I am only speculating here.

Your second point: The NY AG over the next year, will be requesting documents from the NRA. From what I have read, this might be an urgent matter, since NRA general counsel John Fraser advised Carolyn Meadows, President of the NRA that documents could by subpoenaed or used in court. After hearing this, Meadows shredded and burned documents, and she admitted this in the Bankruptcy court deposition. Mind you, she did this before receiving any “document hold” notice.
The Former CFO pleaded the 5a over 80 times in his testimony during his bankruptcy testimony .

In other words, the NY AG, is suing:
The NRA
Wayne LaPierre
Wilson “Woody” Phillips
John Fraser
And Joshua Powell

Regarding your statement about what the NY AG “should do” …. I cannot control that, and I bet that I am not alone by hoping that she should consider stepping out in front of a bus. I jest, but you get my
point… keep in mind, from what I am reading, WLP has created the culture and the financial irregularities that have created a weakness for the NY AG to attack, instead of just trying to attack the NRA on another legal strategy, like fighting the merit of 2a, or trying to shame them in the media. Instead she has this opportunity to legitimately sue a non profit, and this appears to be the easier strategy in her politically motivated attempt to destroy the NRA. Someone get her a bus schedule
To address your 1st rebuttal: so are you saying that it is OK for the media to attack anyone that is associated with a conservative faction or just pointing out the obvious reason for the attacks. By the way, I said for "years" not just currently.

To address your 2nd rebuttal: The NY AG is overreaching and to use President Trump's phrase "on a witch hunt" or a fishing expedition. Burning and shredding documents that would help to destroy the NRA would be sensible, as long as it was not illegal. If Meadows did not get arrested or charged for it, then it probably was not illegal.

Yes, I know who they are suing; anybody they can in order to dissolve the NRA and take over their assets, not even to speak of disarming the conservative political and 2nd Amendment proponent.

And again if WLP created the culture, according to you, he is the one that should be sued, not the NRA. Instead of examples of individuals that you originally provided, I wonder how many examples of corporations being sued for the misappropriations of their CEOs.

You state that the NY AG has the opportunity to legitimately sue a non-profit, that is your opinion. The opinion of Alan Dershowitz is that it is illegitimate. He is a well-known Constitutional scholar and a criminal attorney (and a Democrat,btw), who taught law at Harvard for many years, so he just might know what he is talking about,
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To address your 1st rebuttal: so are you saying that it is OK for the media to attack anyone that is associated with a conservative faction or just pointing out the obvious reason for the attacks. By the way, I said for "years" not just currently.

To address your 2nd rebuttal: The NY AG is overreaching and to use President Trump's phrase "on a witch hunt" or a fishing expedition. Burning and shredding documents that would help to destroy the NRA would be sensible, as long as it was not illegal. If Meadows did not get arrested or charged for it, then it probably was not illegal.

Yes, I know who they are suing; anybody they can in order to dissolve the NRA and take over their assets, not even to speak of disarming the conservative political and 2nd Amendment proponent.

And again if WLP created the culture, according to you, he is the one that should be sued, not the NRA. Instead of examples of individuals that you originally provided, I wonder how many examples of corporations being sued for the misappropriations of their CEOs.

You state that the NY AG has the opportunity to legitimately sue a non-profit, that is your opinion. The opinion of Alan Dershowitz is that it is illegitimate. He is a well-known Constitutional scholar and a criminal attorney (and a Democrat,btw), who taught law at Harvard for many years, so he just might know what he is talking about,

The news folks on both ends of the political spectrum like to sell conflict/hate.. if it bleeds, it leads. I have been on the receiving end of a local newspaper that ran with a story that I wished they chose to avoid… nonetheless, they did. Then my business name popped up on the Bay Area news stations for a couple of days.. I wasn’t happy about it.

Anyone can attempt to sue for anything in this country. That was my point about Letitia James, and since someone either reported the financial irregularities, combined with her personal choice to hang her hat on this case, then all that the NRA can do is defend themselves. Regarding the WLP culture, that was testimony from Phillip Journey, board member of the NRA. I am just passing it along, and yes, that is his opinion, and his testimony corroborated the testimony of others during the attempt to file for chapter 11.

I believe, my opinion, is the James is suing multiple people within the NRA for a possibility of two reasons. She has enough evidence to see that their is more than one person that has been involved with financial irregularities. Or she might be going after multiple people to prevent finger pointing among the defendants. To address you question about why James doesn’t just go after The CEO, she may try an angle, where someone will flip and ask for immunity in exchange for testimony. Dershowitz can say what he wants, it won’t change the fact that Letitia has an agenda to destroy the NRA.

Other CEOs…. Well, I have an example of a CEO on the links that I posted in prior reply on this topic… , and there are many… Sarbanes Oxley/SOX audits every publicly traded corporation, quarterly. The Audit is to look for various forms of financial irregularities within a corporation. Over a 1000 cases have been filed in 16 years.
And example is CSK Auto corporation. When they were first audited thru SOX, there was a $400 million dollar book keeping discrepancy. And the CEO at the time, had to return some of the bonus money that the CEO received. The impact was so great to the corporation, they sold out to Orielly Auto Parts. The shareholders of CSK created a class action lawsuit, against CSK. The CEO refunded a financial bonus.


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It's not that they refuse to vote pro-2A. Rather, it's that they don't want to vote Republican, and yes, the Republicans have several major problems that prevent liberal gun owners from voting for them. If they would drop this "only CHREEEESCH-CHUUNS are welcome!" mentality, if they would quit worshiping the Confederacy, and several other things, then maybe they would get traction with liberal voters. But they won't, so they keep losing in states like CA. They're even scared to go campaign in, say, majority-Black neighborhoods and make their case! "Oh, I don't wanna go there, too many BLACKS!", and yes, I've actually heard that kind of statement many times from Republicans over the years. The Democrats, by contrast, go there and thus get the votes.
As old as you are I find it surprising that the only Republicans you seem to have met are caricatures.

I’ve been a Republican since I could vote and my circle of friends and family are largely republican and I don’t know anyone who worships the confederacy, hates non-Christians, or lives in fear of blacks.

Though if Californian libs like yourself have been taken in by the fantasies concocted by the Democrats I don’t know what we could do to convince you. Your own words demonstrate that this is more of a religion for you than anything else.

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GD you are full of ****. I guess every political party needs a bogeyman.
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They are around, I just got a letter in the mail the other day from them begging for more money.
Only one?

On the same day, I got:
- an offer to upgrade membership ($$),
- a WLP screed of “Fight of our Lives” ($$$) and
- a Jason Ouimet (sp?) for legislative support against the pending gun ban ($$$$).

Certificates, crappy bag and junk knife were offered.
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For all you anti NRA POS’s out there doing the left’s work…..

https://youtu.be/BUsWPzzSs64

Yes, I like to stir the pot every once in a while

Seriously, I was just kidding about the POS comments as differing opinions, and respecting them, is what makes America great. I will try to open eyes though


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