We seriously need some strategery here...

[bigdaddyz1776]

Originally Posted by A-J

All we need is a couple or a few multi-billionaires to back us in the fight. We'll also need a gun friendly media.

We need states like Texas funding pro gun bills in deep blue states.

Like California does with funding abortion campaigns even in Red States and passes laws to make abortion easier for out of staters.

[OlderThanDirt]

First, the OP needs to fix his signature line…it’s now 8 billion fooking people. Second, I’m not sure I trust a Latvian.

The biggest problem we have in California is that when the going gets tough, the tough run for the border screaming like little girls. You all know who you are…

[SharedShots]

Originally Posted by OlderThanDirt

First, the OP needs to fix his signature line…it’s now 8 billion fooking people. Second, I’m not sure I trust a Latvian.

The biggest problem we have in California is that when the going gets tough, the tough run for the border screaming like little girls. You all know who you are…

If everyone who bailed put as much effort into digging in and if location was an issue, find it right here, do as the left does and overwhelm it and then make it count - build on it town by town, city by city and county by county, everything would be different.

99% scream that somebody should do something just as long as it's not them.

Maybe they enjoy their psych evals, the posse, begging for rights and the endless writing of checks in exchange for nothing. it wasn't Ca that got Bruen it was NY.






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[-hanko]

Originally Posted by OlderThanDirt

The biggest problem we have in California is that when the going gets tough, the tough run for the border screaming like little girls. You all know who you are…

Zero shats given and I definitely know who I am.

We left CA as a family in the mid-1980's...better schools for our boys and a much better job for me.

No run screaming for the border, just watching our house overlooking the Pacific increase in value for around 10 or so years. Actually, it was simple to "run for the border".

Got to Idaho in 2012, got around 15 acres to plant the horses. No complaints.

The going in California is way past the going gets tough. Open your eyes and brain and understand there's NO WAY gun laws will improve, taxes will lower, and crime will decrease.

Your post is characteristic of someone with either not enough money to move out of CA, and/or the old "family ties" are keeping you there...or maybe your "great job".

Enjoy.

[ja308]

Originally Posted by -hanko

Zero shats given and I definitely know who I am.

We left CA as a family in the mid-1980's...better schools for our boys and a much better job for me.

No run screaming for the border, just watching our house overlooking the Pacific increase in value for around 10 or so years. Actually, it was simple to "run for the border".

Got to Idaho in 2012, got around 15 acres to plant the horses. No complaints.

The going in California is way past the going gets tough. Open your eyes and brain and understand there's NO WAY gun laws will improve, taxes will lower, and crime will decrease.

Enjoy.

Kept rentals in ca until its time to sell for a better return . Fact is no matter how bad dems make life in Ca. the climate is great and so many know nothing of what they lost and are losing
gas while not $ 1.67 under Trump is 3.10 for 93 at Sams .mosty around 3,47. gun rights honored and we just sent a man to the senate who owns a shooting range and gun shop .

[chris]

Originally Posted by OlderThanDirt

The biggest problem we have in California is that when the going gets tough, the tough run for the border screaming like little girls. You all know who you are…

I'm not going to retire in this state. To expensive and too many dam people.

[chris]

Originally Posted by SharedShots

If everyone who bailed put as much effort into digging in and if location was an issue, find it right here, do as the left does and overwhelm it and then make it count - build on it town by town, city by city and county by county, everything would be different.

99% scream that somebody should do something just as long as it's not them.

Maybe they enjoy their psych evals, the posse, begging for rights and the endless writing of checks in exchange for nothing. it wasn't Ca that got Bruen it was NY.






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That boat sailed a long time ago. Until the Republican party in this state get's it's crap together nothing will change. Newsom won handedly on Tuesday. It also shows people don't care how bad crime gets or how much more it costs to live here. People vote with their wallet and feet.

Plus CA is doing everything it can in light of Bruen to delay any change in gun laws. Sure it will come as to when is anyone's guess.

[rule44]

The population of every state has been propagandized by the left regarding the US form of government - just witness the stupid braying about democracy. Some organizations are distributing copies of the US Constitution and leading educational efforts to counteract the brainwashing. Such efforts are a good basis for starting to change minds and changing politics. However, all too many are lazy and think that freedom somehow survives without work.

[Usual_Suspect]

Originally Posted by chris

I'm not going to retire in this state. To expensive and too many dam people.

I was going to retire early, bought 4 acres and built a house west of Enterprise area of Clark County in Nevada. I own a specialty aircraft and automotive parts manufacturing business, yes some stuff is still made in America. Just about the time the house was finished I discovered I had no plans when I retired.
I decided to move my business, and some of the better folks that work for me up Nevada.
I have not looked back, there is more to leaving Cali than just 2A, regulations and taxes on businesses added to it, and the climate of tax the big bad business owners to pay for whatever program they wanted to fund was becoming too much.

[ja308]

Originally Posted by rule44

The population of every state has been propagandized by the left regarding the US form of government - just witness the stupid braying about democracy. Some organizations are distributing copies of the US Constitution and leading educational efforts to counteract the brainwashing. Such efforts are a good basis for starting to change minds and changing politics. However, all too many are lazy and think that freedom somehow survives without work.

Good points ! We expect government to obey the rules and few of us know the Bill of Rights, source of rights or purpose of government .

"Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on whats for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote "
Attributed to Ben Frankin .
" A Republic if you can keep it "

[SharedShots]

Originally Posted by rule44

The population of every state has been propagandized by the left regarding the US form of government - just witness the stupid braying about democracy. Some organizations are distributing copies of the US Constitution and leading educational efforts to counteract the brainwashing. Such efforts are a good basis for starting to change minds and changing politics. However, all too many are lazy and think that freedom somehow survives without work.

Originally Posted by ja308

Good points ! We expect government to obey the rules and few of us know the Bill of Rights, source of rights or purpose of government .

"Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on whats for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote "
Attributed to Ben Frankin .
" A Republic if you can keep it "

Exactly but it's far worse than that.

Gun owners are the first to complain about gun laws, the forum is practically filled with them. How many threads asking how to buy a gun, the millionth (exaggeration) thread on intrafamily transfer and so many others because people are too lazy to even try to find out the information, it's easier just to ask and wait for the post citing the penal code (don't get me wrong on this, it's valuable) and then be spoon fed the information through a Q&A session?

They'll ask if a certain gun is on the roster and can't take the time to read the roster. A simple question about a fact leads to many answers often conflicting each other and it's about a fact, not opinion.

Passing out copies of the USC is great but who is going to bother to read it when gun owners won't even read the laws saying which guns they can buy?

With each passing day, people get more used to thinking the Internet is the sum of all human knowledge and anything posted on it must be true. It used to be a joke, it has become reality.

You do what you can, person by person. It takes a long time but ah, so do lawsuits after rights have been taken away.

Those wanting to take away rights build on past success and fix and adapt their future efforts. "We" seem to do the same things over and over even when they resulted in failure but because of either disbelief or thinking if we do it enough times it will work that somehow magic will make it happen.

We have an entire couple of generations where parents left the raising of their children to teachers in school, day care facilities and anyone who would give them (parents)_ their free time and allow for each to work for that BMW, the McMansion style home and a 100" TV in every room. No one cared until one day when their son or daughter came home and said they were now the opposite of how they were born or that they were now so fluid they could be anything including a jackass.

So the next time you come across yet another thread where the answer has been given practically hundreds of times and no, it hasn't changed, maybe it's time to inform those asking that they really ought to learn the laws and the USC and become part of a solution instead of a sock puppet who can't be bothered to know even basic information and sit there waiting for someone else to feed it to them.

Strategy? How about we start right on Calguns first and see if it's even possible. You want opinion, no sweat. You want to know the law? Try searching and reading, the stuff is published.

If we can't even know the laws we complain about just what is going on? I know it builds up thread counts and there is ad space that has value based on that but there has to be a better way to do that too.

Threads: 1,560,906,
Posts: 23,683,500,
Members: 355,188,
Active Members: 25,249 Members

That says a lot. The ones who drift through, ask a question and then disappear run the member count up, sort of like Twitter's bot count. Think about it.

Anyone looking at this forum knows there is almost no one who really cares all that much because for this kind of topic and the rights involved, such a small percentage of members who are active, clearly indicates to those wanting to take rights away, those opposing them are a really small number so they are emboldened.

If over 300,000 members where even posting about rights that wouldn't say a lot more than at best a few hundred (probably less in reality)?

Not picking on the forum, I'm saying if we can't start right here then expecting anything else elsewhere is asking a bit much. All it would take is for a few people to start helping those who ask question to query them if they've even tried to find out the info instead of just asking for it. That way they'd learn something. How many times does a thread start out with someone saying they searched, and you know darn well that they couldn't have and still not know the answer?

That is a starting strategy.









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[Kurgan]

Originally Posted by FreemanG

Is there actually a openly pro-gun democrat running for any office in CA? Not that I like any of the options running anyway.

You are thinking too small.

Is there actually an openly pro-gun demonrat running for office anywhere in the United States? (That isn't lying about it to get elected)

[Scratch705]

Originally Posted by Kurgan

You are thinking too small.

Is there actually an openly pro-gun demonrat running for office anywhere in the United States? (That isn't lying about it to get elected)

I believe Alaska has one. Mary peltola. She isnt a perfect gun freedom all talk Republican but she is much better than the average democrat.

[Kurgan]

Originally Posted by Scratch705

I believe Alaska has one. Mary peltola. She isnt a perfect gun freedom all talk Republican but she is much better than the average democrat.

So you are saying there is hope.

[ja308]

Originally Posted by SharedShots

Exactly but it's far worse than that.

Gun owners are the first to complain about gun laws, the forum is practically filled with them. How many threads asking how to buy a gun, the millionth (exaggeration) thread on intrafamily transfer and so many others because people are too lazy to even try to find out the information, it's easier just to ask and wait for the post citing the penal code (don't get me wrong on this, it's valuable) and then be spoon fed the information through a Q&A session?

They'll ask if a certain gun is on the roster and can't take the time to read the roster. A simple question about a fact leads to many answers often conflicting each other and it's about a fact, not opinion.

Passing out copies of the USC is great but who is going to bother to read it when gun owners won't even read the laws saying which guns they can buy?

With each passing day, people get more used to thinking the Internet is the sum of all human knowledge and anything posted on it must be true. It used to be a joke, it has become reality.

You do what you can, person by person. It takes a long time but ah, so do lawsuits after rights have been taken away.

Those wanting to take away rights build on past success and fix and adapt their future efforts. "We" seem to do the same things over and over even when they resulted in failure but because of either disbelief or thinking if we do it enough times it will work that somehow magic will make it happen.

We have an entire couple of generations where parents left the raising of their children to teachers in school, day care facilities and anyone who would give them (parents)_ their free time and allow for each to work for that BMW, the McMansion style home and a 100" TV in every room. No one cared until one day when their son or daughter came home and said they were now the opposite of how they were born or that they were now so fluid they could be anything including a jackass.

So the next time you come across yet another thread where the answer has been given practically hundreds of times and no, it hasn't changed, maybe it's time to inform those asking that they really ought to learn the laws and the USC and become part of a solution instead of a sock puppet who can't be bothered to know even basic information and sit there waiting for someone else to feed it to them.

Strategy? How about we start right on Calguns first and see if it's even possible. You want opinion, no sweat. You want to know the law? Try searching and reading, the stuff is published.

If we can't even know the laws we complain about just what is going on? I know it builds up thread counts and there is ad space that has value based on that but there has to be a better way to do that too.

Threads: 1,560,906,
Posts: 23,683,500,
Members: 355,188,
Active Members: 25,249 Members

That says a lot. The ones who drift through, ask a question and then disappear run the member count up, sort of like Twitter's bot count. Think about it.

Anyone looking at this forum knows there is almost no one who really cares all that much because for this kind of topic and the rights involved, such a small percentage of members who are active, clearly indicates to those wanting to take rights away, those opposing them are a really small number so they are emboldened.

If over 300,000 members where even posting about rights that wouldn't say a lot more than at best a few hundred (probably less in reality)?

Not picking on the forum, I'm saying if we can't start right here then expecting anything else elsewhere is asking a bit much. All it would take is for a few people to start helping those who ask question to query them if they've even tried to find out the info instead of just asking for it. That way they'd learn something. How many times does a thread start out with someone saying they searched, and you know darn well that they couldn't have and still not know the answer?

That is a starting strategy.









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Question can one be a Christian and know nothing of Jesus Christ ?
Can one be an American and know nothing of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, declaration or how America became what it is, from a British colony ?

If the answer is yes, than I can be a nuclear scientist. Do I know anything about nuclear science ? No, but I am one, like a large % of people who claim to be an American who know nothing of America .

[chris]

Originally Posted by rule44

The population of every state has been propagandized by the left regarding the US form of government - just witness the stupid braying about democracy. Some organizations are distributing copies of the US Constitution and leading educational efforts to counteract the brainwashing. Such efforts are a good basis for starting to change minds and changing politics. However, all too many are lazy and think that freedom somehow survives without work.

My favorite piece of propaganda is that California pays for the benefits of other states. Since it pays more in taxes to the FEDS.

Until Communists stop teaching our children the propaganda will not stop. My neighbors son and I talk quite a bit and he's about to graduate from high school and the crap he tells me is crazy.

He comes over to watch me work on stuff and the other neighbor helps him out in giving him old engines and thing to tear apart.

[chris]

Originally Posted by ja308

Question can one be a Christian and know nothing of Jesus Christ ?
Can one be an American and know nothing of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, declaration or how America became what it is, from a British colony ?

If the answer is yes, than I can be a nuclear scientist. Do I know anything about nuclear science ? No, but I am one, like a large % of people who claim to be an American who know nothing of America .

I bring up this point in that regard just a basic understanding of our form of government and how it works. How our country was founded. There is a lot to both and people shouldn't be required to know the exact details. However there is a lot of BS in teaching the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and our founding. Most of which opinions of the teacher.

I love the history of our country the good, the bad and indifference of it. No country is perfect and all of them have made mistakes and bad decisions. Overall our country is pretty dam good compared to other countries.

[SharedShots]

Originally Posted by ja308

Question can one be a Christian and know nothing of Jesus Christ ?
Can one be an American and know nothing of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, declaration or how America became what it is, from a British colony ?

If the answer is yes, than I can be a nuclear scientist. Do I know anything about nuclear science ? No, but I am one, like a large % of people who claim to be an American who know nothing of America .

Originally Posted by chris

I bring up this point in that regard just a basic understanding of our form of government and how it works. How our country was founded. There is a lot to both and people shouldn't be required to know the exact details. However there is a lot of BS in teaching the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and our founding. Most of which opinions of the teacher.

I love the history of our country the good, the bad and indifference of it. No country is perfect and all of them have made mistakes and bad decisions. Overall our country is pretty dam good compared to other countries.

I agree with a lot of what you've said.

I think there is a vast difference between knowing everything or even most of something and not knowing much or nothing. In between is knowing enough to be competent.

Knowledge is accumulated, not instilled or doesn't just happen, it takes effort and not all knowledge about something is essential to being a type of person or qualified as being able to be so.

I think a person can be a Chirstian if they know nothing of Jesus Christ but want to and then learn about him. If someone just listens to a preaching or reads the Bible, that doesn't make them a Christian but actually learning and understanding and then just as important, acting on that knowledge does - at least to some degree and that isn't for anyone to judge except if they believe in Jesus Christ then the final result of their being will the judge.

To me, it isn't what you are as much as what you can be. Every person is born equal, the instant they are born they are not, dictated by so many things they can't be written down. To clarify that, I'd say they remain equal, they are treated unequally, thats better.

The nuclear scientists. Yes, you could be one, that is different than being one. The problem in our society is that we revere titles more than capability and conflate/confuse intent, promises and purpose with action, practice and results.

To bring this home to the topic and my comments about where to start, anyone can be a gun owner, even those the law says prohibited. The difference is who is a gun owner legally and who is not. Thats another issue but while the gun owner doesn't need to know everything about gun laws, the gun owner who knows nothing, is too lazy to learn anything about them, expects room service delivery of the information only to forget 10 seconds later what that information was has learned nothing and treated it as disposable as is most information on social media platforms.

Parents used to send their kids to the library to look something or read a book etc to learn something they didn't know. Nowadays those kids pick up their phone and believe whatever appears on page one. As bad as that is, worse is that they don't retain the information, build on it or ask more questions, it becomes an on demand information storage system so that their brains can hold the really important stuff like the scores of their last video game, whats the next free thing to get and what did some celebrity say to do or buy. Learning has become less worthy because information has become disposable.

There is a movement/effort to eliminate timelines of when things happened. The recent SCOTUS decision (NYSPA v Bruen) tried to correct that by deciding text, tradition etc are the test. Once, when something happened has the context of time removed, then only what is now matters and then its possible to convince even a society that slavery is as present today in the USA as it was long ago and that no progress has been made, therefore; you white people are as responsible for slavery as anyone hundreds of years ago who had one, pay up.

Back to gun owners. People learn in different ways, some as visual, some auditory some are readers but when a person asks something that they don't know because they can't be bothered to find out, something is wrong with that. Asking someone isn't wrong, asking over and over again, the same thing, knowing others have asked and been answered but it's easier to ask than find out just keep the chain of disposable information alive and well. We have people who say they searched but you know they couldn't have and then legions bring out the spoon to feed them or if anyone questions that, watch out, they are something something.

How many times does the Penal Code need to be reposted before someone says "Hey, have you bothered yourself to even try to read and understand it?" without being called a curmudgeon? That happens on this forum. While I understand that the Penal Code is not the same as it was years ago and that it can change as do regulations, those old references remain do they not? What if instead of reposting them the link to the current code was presented? Then someone might actually follow that and read the darn thing and just maybe also read what was above and what is below it for greater context or maybe learn something else? So they get spoon fed and learn practically nothing because along with that comes numerous interpretations, many of them conflicting with each other and then one might wonder how anyone could leave knowing more than when they arrived to ask.

This is why I propose starting with us or at least those who are gun owners. While thread counts and threads with lots of replies look nice, that is because compared to the number of members, those considered active are a drop in the bucket and the number of those who frequently participate are but a fraction of those. It's the choir, the same people over and over for many years now (reading back) and the same ones saying they know what they are doing. How has that worked out? By any measure, a disaster if measured by a common goal more or less to do more than bitch about the laws and perhaps use what is here to educate, convince and yes, enjoy the back and forth too. Lets not compare this to other forums and hold up statistics, all that means is that accepting the least common denominator is ok.

I think we really need to do more to encourage gun owners to be more competent in their understanding of the laws and see the disparity and inconsistency between gun control laws and many other laws. Just a group all doing the bobble head nod in agreement means squat. Just a group all sending a check doesn't accomplish much if we use results as a measure.

If someone shows up, asks for the spoon feeding and then disappear, what happened? Opportunity was lost to welcome someone to learning and being a more competent gun owner as opposed to someone that now quickly buys, trades or gets a gun and then remains ignorant of everything else. How long did you spoon feed your children? At some point, hopefully they learned how to eat all by themselves yet, here we are, spoon feeding adults on a daily basis as if they are incapable of just running a simple search. FFS, really? It's sometimes about power and status, you know what I mean. There are always the BMOC revered for their vast knowledge but in reality, it's the same info over and over again to the same types of need the info only for a few minutes and then it's forgotten. No doubt, they will be here shortly.

I know this is a rant as much as a reply but since the topic is a new strategy that opens up the opportunity to explain the why for one I think has value.

Stop spoon feeding people information, help them learn instead. A person who can't be bothered to read the penal code isn't going to read it because it got reposted and the proof is right here on this forum. OPs will ask things you know aren't possible if they read the post before their next question. They never read it, that required effort and at least trying to understand., No, others aren't going to read it either unless they had the same question. It became disposable.

People ask for loads. You know darn well many of those asking then go right out and just use that to reload. It's because they can't be bothered to learn a darn thing but they'll be back, to ask why their gun doesn't shoot well, why some part failed or something like that and won't dare say they just used a load someone said to use instead of learning something first.

There are true rocket scientists that show up and ask questions and yet we treat them like children, get out the spoons. They expect information, citation, reasoning and instead get all kinds of stuff just thrown on the wall to see what sticks. They probably disappear.

In summary, I'm advocating for upping the game, bringing more to the table than a spoon and with that maybe creating the incentive for others to go out and reach people they might never talk with about guns and do so, tying in that it's not about MUH GUNS, it's about rights.

Think past your gun.

Do more than just talk, offer tangible support, not to organizations but to individuals because it's individuals that through being lazy or agnostic about guns and gun control that we have the laws we do. We can change that. When someone says it would take along time, well hello - the gun control laws didn't happen overnight either but it's guaranteed we're in the last hurrah on all of them. Failure now is another word for eternity.







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Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

Don't get stuck on Stupid, read a Sticky!

Think past your gun.

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[ja308]

When the Redcoats came to confiscate the guns owned by Colonists . Can we say that was the beginning of our War for Independence ?
Yes

[ja308]

Listen, my children, and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-Five:
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.

He said to his friend, “If the British march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry-arch
Of the North-Church-tower, as a signal-light,—
One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I on the opposite shore will be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm
Through every Middlesex village and farm,
For the country-folk to be up and to arm.”

Then he said “Good night!” and with muffled oar
Silently rowed to the Charlestown shore,
Just as the moon rose over the bay,
Where swinging wide at her moorings lay
The Somerset, British man-of-war:
A phantom ship, with each mast and spar
Across the moon, like a prison-bar,
And a huge black hulk, that was magnified
By its own reflection in the tide.

Meanwhile, his friend, through alley and street
Wanders and watches with eager ears,
Till in the silence around him he hears
The muster of men at the barrack door,
The sound of arms, and the tramp of feet,
And the measured tread of the grenadiers
Marching down to their boats on the shore.

Then he climbed to the tower of the church,
Up the wooden stairs, with stealthy tread,
To the belfry-chamber overhead,
And startled the pigeons from their perch
On the sombre rafters, that round him made
Masses and moving shapes of shade,—
By the trembling ladder, steep and tall,
To the highest window in the wall,
Where he paused to listen and look down
A moment on the roofs of the town,
And the moonlight flowing over all.

Beneath, in the churchyard, lay the dead,
In their night-encampment on the hill,
Wrapped in silence so deep and still
That he could hear, like a sentinel’s tread,
The watchful night-wind, as it went
Creeping along from tent to tent,
And seeming to whisper, “All is well!”
A moment only he feels the spell
Of the place and the hour, and the secret dread
Of the lonely belfry and the dead;
For suddenly all his thoughts are bent
On a shadowy something far away,
Where the river widens to meet the bay,—
A line of black, that bends and floats
On the rising tide, like a bridge of boats.

Meanwhile, impatient to mount and ride,
Booted and spurred, with a heavy stride,
On the opposite shore walked Paul Revere.
Now he patted his horse’s side,
Now gazed on the landscape far and near,
Then impetuous stamped the earth,
And turned and tightened his saddle-girth;
But mostly he watched with eager search
The belfry-tower of the old North Church,
As it rose above the graves on the hill,
Lonely and spectral and sombre and still.
And lo! as he looks, on the belfry’s height,
A glimmer, and then a gleam of light!
He springs to the saddle, the bridle he turns,
But lingers and gazes, till full on his sight
A second lamp in the belfry burns!

A hurry of hoofs in a village-street,
A shape in the moonlight, a bulk in the dark,
And beneath from the pebbles, in passing, a spark
Struck out by a steed that flies fearless and fleet:
That was all! And yet, through the gloom and the light,
The fate of a nation was riding that night;
And the spark struck out by that steed, in his flight,
Kindled the land into flame with its heat.

He has left the village and mounted the steep,
And beneath him, tranquil and broad and deep,
Is the Mystic, meeting the ocean tides;
And under the alders, that skirt its edge,
Now soft on the sand, now loud on the ledge,
Is heard the tramp of his steed as he rides.

It was twelve by the village clock
When he crossed the bridge into Medford town.
He heard the crowing of the cock,
And the barking of the farmer’s dog,
And felt the damp of the river-fog,
That rises when the sun goes down.

It was one by the village clock,
When he galloped into Lexington.
He saw the gilded weathercock
Swim in the moonlight as he passed,
And the meeting-house windows, blank and bare,
Gaze at him with a spectral glare,
As if they already stood aghast
At the bloody work they would look upon.

It was two by the village clock,
When he came to the bridge in Concord town.
He heard the bleating of the flock,
And the twitter of birds among the trees,
And felt the breath of the morning breeze
Blowing over the meadows brown.
And one was safe and asleep in his bed
Who at the bridge would be first to fall,
Who that day would be lying dead,
Pierced by a British musket-ball.

You know the rest. In the books you have read,
How the British Regulars fired and fled,—
How the farmers gave them ball for ball,
From behind each fence and farmyard-wall,
Chasing the red-coats down the lane,
Then crossing the fields to emerge again
Under the trees at the turn of the road,
And only pausing to fire and load.

So through the night rode Paul Revere;
And so through the night went his cry of alarm
To every Middlesex village and farm,—
A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
And a word that shall echo forevermore!
For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere.

[ja308]

Anyone know who gave the information about the British coming that night ? Remember the lamps in the old North church . Someone knew and got the word out.

[ja308]

BTW our President Trump knows as does the NRA .

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by ja308

Anyone know who gave the information about the British coming that night ? Remember the lamps in the old North church . Someone knew and got the word out.

Robert Newman and John Pulling.

I grew up outside of Boston in the 50’s & 60’s. This was hammered home in classrooms.

Now, who else road to warn the populace that night?

[ja308]

Originally Posted by Dvrjon

Robert Newman and John Pulling.

I grew up outside of Boston in the 50’s & 60’s. This was hammered home in classrooms.

Now, who else road to warn the populace that night?

Thank You !

One would be William Dawes and another Dr Prescott who made it in time to warn of the soon British attack.

Thank You for the info on who placed the lanterns in the Old North Church.

It was suspected American born Margaret Gage,wife of General Gage actually got word the word to Newman and Pulling about the Redcoat plans .
While knows for sure, Margaret was exiled to England and never saw her family or friends again.

[darkwater]

Originally Posted by chris

My favorite piece of propaganda is that California pays for the benefits of other states. Since it pays more in taxes to the FEDS.

Actually, CA is $20 billion in debt to the feds for unemployment claims, and most of that will be paid off over the next decade by CA employers paying higher unemployment taxes, even though said employers didn't get a say on how long benefits should last due to the pandemic. If another recession is on the horizon, it will only dig that hole even deeper.

https://calmatters.org/economy/2022/...ployment-debt/

[chris]

Originally Posted by darkwater

Actually, CA is $20 billion in debt to the feds for unemployment claims, and most of that will be paid off over the next decade by CA employers paying higher unemployment taxes, even though said employers didn't get a say on how long benefits should last due to the pandemic. If another recession is on the horizon, it will only dig that hole even deeper.

https://calmatters.org/economy/2022/...ployment-debt/

I just heard this the other day. I laughed. It comes to no surprise the state is now in a deficit. Wreckless spending as always. This state never learns.

[Dvrjon]

Geee….where did the $20B go?

California is slowly clawing back some of the estimated $20 billion in unemployment money stolen by domestic and international criminals, money earmarked for jobless relief during the height of the pandemic.

It is, by far, the largest reported amount of pandemic related fraud in any state.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/18/11285...ons-california

Maybe Biden can forgive the loan?

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by ja308

Wherever NRA membership is high there is good government and politicians fear NRA voters .
Why not join, upgrade and recruit new members . Oh that's too easy, which is exactly why it works .
Is the NRA perfect ? No but its close to perfect and only a doofus would reject being a member.

I'd suggest joining the CRPA. Looks like they take care of NRA matters in California...that's since the former NRA guy was a psycho wife beater and resigned under pressure.

[ja308]

Originally Posted by -hanko

I'd suggest joining the CRPA. Looks like they take care of NRA matters in California...that's since the former NRA guy was a psycho wife beater and resigned under pressure.

Good advice
I am a Life member of both and will join my new state NRA affiliate ASAP.
does Idaho have a state NRA affiliate ?

[Jimi Jah]

Run as a democrat to get elected here, then govern as a republican?

It would only work for one term as re-election money would dry up.

Politics is a career decision, people get into it to make $, not to fix things.

[newbutold]

Too many mentally ill doing bad things with guns. Lock 'em up.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by ja308

Good advice
I am a Life member of both and will join my new state NRA affiliate ASAP.
does Idaho have a state NRA affiliate ?

What is your new state??

Idaho contributes a bunch to the NRA...

Idaho's Constitution would require a change if any new gun laws were proposed...that's part of the Constitution and it has been for years. Any restrictions attempts from counties or cities are forbidden. Idaho LE is forbidden to enforce firearms laws, unless a firearm is used illegally...say in a robbery or any other crime per Idaho law.

[fireguymfd]

Want a good strategy? Move to Montana, Idaho or Wyoming! Only 28% of Californias even own a gun, which is roughly equivalent to the number of registered Republicans in the state. Clearly, gun owners and Republicans are in the minority. The media, politicians, and quite frankly, most Americans despise gun ownership. I think I saw a poll that stated 65% of Californians do not think our laws are strict enough! Sorry for the reality check.

Even if guns were carbon neutral, created green energy, educated children in CRT, solved homelessness and cured cancer, they would still be hated!

[ja308]

Originally Posted by -hanko

What is your new state??

Idaho contributes a bunch to the NRA...

Idaho's Constitution would require a change if any new gun laws were proposed...that's part of the Constitution and it has been for years. Any restrictions attempts from counties or cities are forbidden. Idaho LE is forbidden to enforce firearms laws, unless a firearm is used illegally...say in a robbery or any other crime per Idaho law.

I am in North Carolina and enjoying a really good public shooting range . Will join as a member in March when everything else in finalized. Have filled out paperwork for North Carolina Rilfe and Pistol association . (State NRA affiliate )
Pretty cool to see signs telling NFA shooters to bring their paperwork before using those ranges designated tactical.

[bigdaddyz1776]

The word "law abiding" needs to be dropped.

Find a different term as "law abiding" is just abiding by laws unless we want to go with "1776 law abiding" or something more subjective.

All those folks that were capturing runaway slaves after the Dred Scott decision were also "law abiding" as well.

And I believe someone else made a point somewhere that the California state legislature can keep on telling California gun owners over how their AR-15s can be accessorized through laws, when those features are all legal under federal law and about 40 plus other states. And those complying gun owners are "law abiding" and keep on abiding those laws while the people crossing the Southern border and lots of fine gentlemen who run over police cadets on morning runs get let out on bail at this point even though they broke the law.

[newbutold]

Use your wallet.....Buy from pro Republican businesses whenever possible.

[bigdaddyz1776]

Originally Posted by newbutold

Use your wallet.....Buy from pro Republican businesses whenever possible.

How does one define Pro Republican when majority of the business world donates to the Democrats as far as the white collar world goes, reinforced by indoctrination courses from college for future business to have more "social responsibility".

A better idea would be for Pro Republican businesses to make sure they are ideologically run Republican since they will be subverted very fast through HR departments.

Or to go step further, support local businesses as best as possible but something more substantial is needed over Pro Republican businesses.

[Paladin]

Only read the OP.

How many non gunnies want to target shoot? Some. How many want to shoot EBRs? Again some. How many want to shoot Bambi? Few. How many want to be able to defend themselves and their family when in public? MILLIONS and most of them live in major urban DEM counties.

CCWs are our gateway drug. Once they’re CCWing they’re open to EBRs for home defense or sport.

We need CCW outreach to women and minorities (in native languages too).

[SharedShots]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Only read the OP.

How many non gunnies want to target shoot? Some. How many want to shoot EBRs? Again some. How many want to shoot Bambi? Few. How many want to be able to defend themselves and their family when in public? MILLIONS and most of them live in major urban DEM counties.

CCWs are our gateway drug. Once they’re CCWing they’re open to EBRs for home defense or sport.

We need CCW outreach to women and minorities (in native languages too).

Then these millions are going to run down the path to apply for a privilege they must pay no small fee to obtain, prove they are of good moral character, sit in some class so they do the CCWing and these same people wouldn't vote to simply use the right to do the same thing?

We need outreach to convince women and minorities to open wide and swallow like lemmings and tell them they don't have the right and that their privilege exists only so long as someone else says its ok?

There you have it, why things are as they are, the status quo, the go along to get along, the reach across the aisle group who have presided year after year over the same rabbit hole of just giving up a little more to get a little less. Now, suddenly, we are to treat owning and carrying a gun like drugs?

That is unhinged defeatism. Its exactly what the gun control people want and would pay no small sum to do, convince everyone there are no rights, only privilege and right here, in your face is where it comes from.

Oh great, the new strategy, lets all just roll over, accept privilege and equate personal defense to drugs.

The sad thing is, that perspective isn't unique on Calguns, there are a lot of them around and their goal is to keep everything as it is, you the beggar and the role of steward, icons and the knowledgeable elites reserved for themselves. You can pick them out easily, they are the ones who slither in and out while saying they are the trustworthy one because they passed a background check (they actually post that stuff).

They say they don't support the CCW scheme, just that they work within in it and then one day, when the time is right- plop, lets convince everyone to give up their rights and take the route of the lesser class person, the one without rights and beholden to one person who gets to say if they are blessed - or not.

Start looking round, there is a rather well entrenched effort to just funnel people into one way of doing something, follow the instructions, get into the flow of the CCW (if you can) and once you have that precious piece of paper, you are special, you aren't an ordinary person exercising your rights, you are afraid to do almost anything because one phone call and your precious privilege is vapor. Start reading and really seeing the go along to get along crowd and how helpful it always seems. Just do this and that and now, if we can only get millions to get a CCW then that is the foundation, millions who no longer know what a right is. We can do all that and couldn't get those millions to vote to protect their own rights? GTFO, seriously.

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[Paladin]

Originally Posted by SharedShots

Then these millions are going to run down the path to apply for a privilege they must pay no small fee to obtain, prove they are of good moral character, sit in some class so they do the CCWing and these same people wouldn't vote to simply use the right to do the same thing?

We need outreach to convince women and minorities to open wide and swallow like lemmings and tell them they don't have the right and that their privilege exists only so long as someone else says its ok?

There you have it, why things are as they are, the status quo, the go along to get along, the reach across the aisle group who have presided year after year over the same rabbit hole of just giving up a little more to get a little less. Now, suddenly, we are to treat owning and carrying a gun like drugs?

That is unhinged defeatism. Its exactly what the gun control people want and would pay no small sum to do, convince everyone there are no rights, only privilege and right here, in your face is where it comes from.

Oh great, the new strategy, lets all just roll over, accept privilege and equate personal defense to drugs.

The sad thing is, that perspective isn't unique on Calguns, there are a lot of them around and their goal is to keep everything as it is, you the beggar and the role of steward, icons and the knowledgeable elites reserved for themselves. You can pick them out easily, they are the ones who slither in and out while saying they are the trustworthy one because they passed a background check (they actually post that stuff).

They say they don't support the CCW scheme, just that they work within in it and then one day, when the time is right- plop, lets convince everyone to give up their rights and take the route of the lesser class person, the one without rights and beholden to one person who gets to say if they are blessed - or not.

Start looking round, there is a rather well entrenched effort to just funnel people into one way of doing something, follow the instructions, get into the flow of the CCW (if you can) and once you have that precious piece of paper, you are special, you aren't an ordinary person exercising your rights, you are afraid to do almost anything because one phone call and your precious privilege is vapor. Start reading and really seeing the go along to get along crowd and how helpful it always seems. Just do this and that and now, if we can only get millions to get a CCW then that is the foundation, millions who no longer know what a right is. We can do all that and couldn't get those millions to vote to protect their own rights? GTFO, seriously.

Historically, other than VT, states have gone from Shall Issue CCW to Constitutional Carry. Once people are comfortable carrying with a permit they’re more open to carrying without a permit.

“Facts are stubborn things.”



ETA: my apologies: I see you are on my Ignore List. I must have hit reply before logging in, that’s why I read your … post. Goodbye.