We seriously need some strategery here...

[stilly]

I am well aware that I could be ignorant of a lot of things that are going on around me, but I keep seeing negative post after negative post after negative post about how WE keep getting attacked and it is really pissing me off. I feel like WE gun owners are constantly under attack and we just wait for the next attack to fight off. Meanwhile these ants come at us in all different ways. I want to start being a real PRO GUN advocate but I am not sure how to do it. I want to put THEM on the defensive for a change of pace. I want to see THEM realing back in horror over several new bills that are pro gun and build us up. Even if they go nowhere, can they hurt? I want to see more education and more progun and positive gun stories and invites, get togethers, meetings, press releases, petitions for free training and police range use or other things. I noticed that I have lost a HUGE spot to shoot outside and I have to go to Riverside Magnum Range now for just about everything but I can not shoot .308 or larger there and I can not shoot AK and other things with commie surplus ammo. Nor would I at that small indoor range. It is best for pistols. But we seriously need to get better ideas and promotions out there to show people what being a gun owner and 2nd A person really is about. Maybe more videos to counter all the BS on youtube. I do not know. This is my brainstorm post. If I ever hit a windfall of cash I will george soros this state with progun advertising and campaigns and wage war. THAT is what I have in my head. It might start with music, make its way to videos, and then commercials, then to products and events. Guns are just tools and they need to be shown how to be used properly.

Anyways, I am not completely dead yet.

[curtisfong]

A few things you can start doing:

Write every single one of your representatives every week.

If they are D, make sure to claim you are a lifelong D and vote every election. Pretend you are a liberal as best as you can. If they sense you are at all a conservative, your mail will be ignored.

Contribute to the NRA, CRPA etc.

Take a Democrat to the range and teach them firearm safety and basic skills.

Vote in every election; do your research.

[A-J]

Originally Posted by stilly

I am well aware that I could be ignorant of a lot of things that are going on around me, but I keep seeing negative post after negative post after negative post about how WE keep getting attacked and it is really pissing me off. I feel like WE gun owners are constantly under attack and we just wait for the next attack to fight off. Meanwhile these ants come at us in all different ways. I want to start being a real PRO GUN advocate but I am not sure how to do it. I want to put THEM on the defensive for a change of pace. I want to see THEM realing back in horror over several new bills that are pro gun and build us up. Even if they go nowhere, can they hurt? I want to see more education and more progun and positive gun stories and invites, get togethers, meetings, press releases, petitions for free training and police range use or other things. I noticed that I have lost a HUGE spot to shoot outside and I have to go to Riverside Magnum Range now for just about everything but I can not shoot .308 or larger there and I can not shoot AK and other things with commie surplus ammo. Nor would I at that small indoor range. It is best for pistols. But we seriously need to get better ideas and promotions out there to show people what being a gun owner and 2nd A person really is about. Maybe more videos to counter all the BS on youtube. I do not know. This is my brainstorm post. If I ever hit a windfall of cash I will george soros this state with progun advertising and campaigns and wage war. THAT is what I have in my head. It might start with music, make its way to videos, and then commercials, then to products and events. Guns are just tools and they need to be shown how to be used properly.

Anyways, I am not completely dead yet.

All we need is a couple or a few multi-billionaires to back us in the fight. We'll also need a gun friendly media.

[bigdaddyz1776]

Originally Posted by A-J

All we need is a couple or a few multi-billionaires to back us in the fight. We'll also need a gun friendly media.

We need states like Texas funding pro gun bills in deep blue states.

Like California does with funding abortion campaigns even in Red States and passes laws to make abortion easier for out of staters.

[SharedShots]

When gun owners left the table and put all their trust in lawyers and lawsuits, it was game over.

The government has unlimited resources, people do not. Most lawsuits to which we refer are also an admission of failure to do anything preventative or pre-emptive to secure and promote rights.

Look at the amount of money poured into legal efforts, the sums are fantastic. Then look at what was obtained for all that money. It wasn't court costs, running copies or anything like that. Almost all of that money went into very few hands.

When was the last time, unlike almost every other interest where tangible results are actually obtained, you saw any pro 2nd/A public outreach of any kind? I mean not even effing bumper stickers because gun owners are too afraid to be seen in daylight or outside of their safe.

All that money has secured some very nice lifestyles.

If you need an example of how things got as bad as they are, you need only listen to today's back and forth between SCOTUS justices and the lawyers about the affirmative action in university issue and you'll understand the ers, uhs, and the rest are enough to make Kamala Harris look like a literary genius.

And that is why something so simple as the 2nd/Amendment gets turned into decades on pure and utter BS and why those who proudly say they know what they are doing have yet to do anything to prove it let alone give anyone hope that eventually their services won't be needed.

Its not going to change for one reason, any time anyone remotely suggests doing anything other than a lawsuit, the certain interests jump in so fast to tell everyone "it won't work..." followed by a laundry list of why and yet not one of the things on that list make any sense.

Why is it that the opposition/those wanting to take rights away have no problem putting their faces out there, their personal effort out there, there PR out there, their bumper stickers out there and their outspoken in your face speeches out there.

It works for them but oh no, it can't possibly work for us and that my friends is why it's just a matter of time before they get what they want and gun owners sit around wondering - "who did that happen?"




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[R Dale]

Originally Posted by SharedShots

When gun owners left the table and put all their trust in lawyers and lawsuits, it was game over.

The government has unlimited resources, people do not. Most lawsuits to which we refer are also an admission of failure to do anything preventative or pre-emptive to secure and promote rights.

Look at the amount of money poured into legal efforts, the sums are fantastic. Then look at what was obtained for all that money. It wasn't court costs, running copies or anything like that. Almost all of that money went into very few hands.

When was the last time, unlike almost every other interest where tangible results are actually obtained, you saw any pro 2nd/A public outreach of any kind? I mean not even effing bumper stickers because gun owners are too afraid to be seen in daylight or outside of their safe.

All that money has secured some very nice lifestyles.

If you need an example of how things got as bad as they are, you need only listen to today's back and forth between SCOTUS justices and the lawyers about the affirmative action in university issue and you'll understand the ers, uhs, and the rest are enough to make Kamala Harris look like a literary genius.

And that is why something so simple as the 2nd/Amendment gets turned into decades on pure and utter BS and why those who proudly say they know what they are doing have yet to do anything to prove it let alone give anyone hope that eventually their services won't be needed.

Its not going to change for one reason, any time anyone remotely suggests doing anything other than a lawsuit, the certain interests jump in so fast to tell everyone "it won't work..." followed by a laundry list of why and yet not one of the things on that list make any sense.

Why is it that the opposition/those wanting to take rights away have no problem putting their faces out there, their personal effort out there, there PR out there, their bumper stickers out there and their outspoken in your face speeches out there.

It works for them but oh no, it can't possibly work for us and that my friends is why it's just a matter of time before they get what they want and gun owners sit around wondering - "who did that happen?"




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I agree 100% and have been saying for sometime lawsuits aren't working and it will take legaslastion to take power away from anti gun states and cities to really accomplish anything that will give citizens true 2A rights.

[chris]

Originally Posted by R Dale

I agree 100% and have been saying for sometime lawsuits aren't working and it will take legaslastion to take power away from anti gun states and cities to really accomplish anything that will give citizens true 2A rights.

Until the makeup of the Legislature here in California it will not change on the legislative side.

It won't happen because the people here think Republicans are the reason for all their problems yet never look to Sacramento and the party in charge responsible.

IMO only there is no amount of financial pain and suffering the Democrats can inflict on people to change who they vote for. I think even physical harm won't change it either.

[SharedShots]

Originally Posted by chris

Until the makeup of the Legislature here in California it will not change on the legislative side.

It won't happen because the people here think Republicans are the reason for all their problems yet never look to Sacramento and the party in charge responsible.

IMO only there is no amount of financial pain and suffering the Democrats can inflict on people to change who they vote for. I think even physical harm won't change it either.

Physical harm? Why even bring such a thing into this discussion?

That has no place here in any form or intent.





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[Dirk Tungsten]

Originally Posted by SharedShots

Physical harm? Why even bring such a thing into this discussion?

That has no place here in any form or intent.





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I think he's implying Sacramento could physically harm the voters and they would still vote D.

[chris]

Originally Posted by SharedShots

Physical harm? Why even bring such a thing into this discussion?

That has no place here in any form or intent.

Actually it does.





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That's not intent of my statement. What it means is that physical harm from homeless and criminals breaking into their homes or being attacked on the street for no reason.

Not to leave out the financial harm here the insane cost of living and taxes here don't help. Nor has it changed who they vote for.

[SharedShots]

BTW, all you need to do is look at Oregon, it's what happened to California in 2x motion. Same waiting for someone to do something and because nobody did, ok, get the donations machines ready, parade out the lawyers.

It's right out there to see, no one is making it up.

The solution? Threads like this that start building up some thinking and realization that putting all your hopes into people who specialize in defining words like "it" and who long ago stopped speaking plainly isn't the answer. The answer is within us, ordinary people who will eventually come together and if we are extremely lucky, save what remains and perhaps get back what was lost without all the "WE WON!" statements that to date haven't made a darn thing any better.


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[stilly]

Yeah more exposure to the general public and taking on small scale projects or exposures. Take a democrat to the gun range week. That would be a nice one. After that uvalde nonsense happened, two of the dispatchers in our office had their balls shrink up on them and they started asking me why anyone needs a gun as powerful as the AR-15 one night... It really pissed me off and even though I stood my ground they really did not care what I had to say until someone else jumped in and got on them with the roof top Korean story...

I am really starting to believe though that it might not be so hard to recruit the general public who do not know much about guns, especially if we can educate them. But damn, How I am still trying to figure it out.

[SharedShots]

Originally Posted by stilly

Yeah more exposure to the general public and taking on small scale projects or exposures. Take a democrat to the gun range week. That would be a nice one. After that uvalde nonsense happened, two of the dispatchers in our office had their balls shrink up on them and they started asking me why anyone needs a gun as powerful as the AR-15 one night... It really pissed me off and even though I stood my ground they really did not care what I had to say until someone else jumped in and got on them with the roof top Korean story...

I am really starting to believe though that it might not be so hard to recruit the general public who do not know much about guns, especially if we can educate them. But damn, How I am still trying to figure it out.

The first step is recognizing that it's people in general, not lawyers and lawsuits that create change. A lawsuit comes in after it's all said and done, sometimes before and sometimes along the way but in general it's after you've lost something so there isn't winning, it's just getting back what was taken from you.

Its numbers. Its a pretty SOP for gun owners to hide from discussions of anything gun related while in public. People who want to really change something don't hide but gun owners are so afraid of the big bad guy you'd think they were cowards. That isn't true (cowards) but part of a conditioning process created by a few and it became the thing to say and do, don't tell anyone you have guns, the big bad guy might come to your home to steal them. Right, they'll pass up the cash, the jewelry, the new car in the driveway and everything else because you had a discussion with someone over lunch about the 2nd/A. Gun owners really need to stop and think past their guns. How about that watch on your wrist? Anything including a Timex is enough to get your hand ripped off just to steal it.

The people who promote the don't talk about guns in public are the ones who contributed to what we have now, an entire group of gun owners afraid to stand up and be counted except for when they get on some forum.

Things might change though but as you can see right on this forum, it isn't easy because it challenges the status quo which is sit back, send a check and hope some lawsuit does what has for decades been the same thing, more gun control laws. It will ruffle feathers because there is a real clique involved, they've presided over failure after failure, but they all have theirs, the safes full, the pallets of ammo and the rolodex of people to call when they need an off-roster gun etc. To them, failure means yet another lawsuit or legal procedure to dissect until it's nothing more than speculation for it's own sake.

You're on the right track, recognition and even willing to consider more than the long list of continuing failure of the same way it's been done for now decades.

Where is the NRA in California? Where are the gun and ammo manufacturers, are they all philanthropists without enough money to do more than send you an email asking for money or telling you about the fantastic new clone of something to buy? They should be collectively ashamed to even send out an email but boy oh boy they sure know how to ask for money.

Every issue has companies funding public outreach efforts. Its election season and how many flyers are you getting telling you about various issues and how to vote? When was the last time you got one for something like that in California? It doesn't happen because the lazy RINOs in California can't be bothered, they might lose the democrat vote and their token jobs.

The last pro-gun anything was some law to expand wild pig hunting options and who did that benefit? Why the very people who want to take away your 2nd/A right, the winery owners who contribute plenty to left-wing organizations and candidates. Where was even a proposal along with public exposure to getting rid of some gun control law that if most of the state knew about and understood they'd vote to abolish it? The Republicans in Ca don't even try. So what if it goes nowhere? Try again. And again. That is better than lawsuit after lawsuit that does nothing, benefits no one except bank accounts.

I say put away your fear of someone knowing you are a gun owner. If no one knows anyone who has gun except the choir on forums then nothing will change. Be proud to be a gun owner, not in private but in public.

Don't shy away from talking about the 2nd/A in public. That doesn't mean going into the typical "all muh guns" routine, it means talking about the 2nd/A because it's not only about guns but about protection from tyranny and to insure all other rights in the USC remain secure. The minute people start talking about muh guns other's eyes gloss over, they don't really care about your 20 Glocks and not having 21 is an infringement of your rights.

Be polite, don't degrade those who oppose you. And whatever you do, stop with saying all the gun control advocates are stupid and don't know anything about guns or gun laws, this forum is proof every day that gun owners often know little less and can't be bothered to learn the gun laws themselves, they need 5 reposts of the penal code to figure it out.

Engage people when they mention crime rates or criminal events that take place. Tie it into the 2nd/A and not "if you had a 50 caliber this or that with a drum mag you'd be safe". Thats an exaggeration of course but the theme isn't.

Get out of preaching to the choir, if the choir was really all that interesting in doing more than send a check and placing their bets on lawsuits we wouldn't be living in the most restrictive state when it comes to gun control.

You're going to see a different approach starting. There will be the belly aching from the status quo crowd, count on it. They'll be easy to pick out, the ones who are always first to point out why something won't work but eager enough to tell you to send checks.




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[FreemanG]

2A and firearms in general need to be a non-partisan issue to get any permanent right affirming change in CA. Converting democrats is the only way forward.

[curtisfong]

Originally Posted by FreemanG

2A and firearms in general need to be a non-partisan issue to get any permanent right affirming change in CA. Converting democrats is the only way forward.

I agree, but the game theory of 2 party politics doesn't work that way. If R's claim the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, the D's are obligated to claim the opposite.

However, we should do all that we can to get as many D's to be interested in gun rights as possible, regardless.

[Tankhatch]

You get what you vote for.
If you voted Democrat, without checking to see if they are pro-gun or anti-gun, please put a sign on your back saying ""sheep"" or ""kick me"".
If you voted Republican, without checking to see if they are pro-gun or anti-gun, please put a sign on your back saying ""sheep"" or ""kick me"".
If you voted, based solely of the fact of skin color or gender, please put a sign on your back saying ""sheep"" or ""kick me"".
If you voted, based solely on what the media says is "good for the country", please put a sign on your back saying ""sheep"" or ""kick me"".

[FreemanG]

Originally Posted by Tankhatch

You get what you vote for.
If you voted Democrat, without checking to see if they are pro-gun or anti-gun, please put a sign on your back saying ""sheep"" or ""kick me"".

Is there actually a openly pro-gun democrat running for any office in CA? Not that I like any of the options running anyway.

[mshill]

Originally Posted by FreemanG

Is there actually a openly pro-gun democrat running for any office in CA? Not that I like any of the options running anyway.

That's not possible since someone running as a democrat would be denied funds from the party for their campaign if they were not to toe the line on the agenda.

[Kurgan]

Originally Posted by FreemanG

Is there actually a openly pro-gun democrat running for any office in CA? Not that I like any of the options running anyway.

You are thinking too small.

Is there actually an openly pro-gun demonrat running for office anywhere in the United States? (That isn't lying about it to get elected)

[FreemanG]

There is another option. Get literally every pro-gun legislator in CA to filibuster every piece of legislation and not allow anything to pass for a few years. More time talking = less time actually voting

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by FreemanG

There is another option. Get literally every pro-gun legislator in CA to filibuster every piece of legislation and not allow anything to pass for a few years. More time talking = less time actually voting

California Legislature doesn't have a "filibuster" component.

Even if it did, the filibuster can be over-ridden by a 60% majority vote in the Senate.

In California, both houses of the Legislature have a 2/3rds (67%) or better majority of Dem seats.

That's why they can pass tax increases (which require a 2/3 majority vote) without one R vote.

[FreemanG]

Originally Posted by Dvrjon

California Legislature doesn't have a "filibuster" component.

Even if it did, the filibuster can be over-ridden by a 60% majority vote in the Senate.

In California, both houses of the Legislature have a 2/3rds (67%) or better majority of Dem seats.

That's why they can pass tax increases (which require a 2/3 majority vote) without one R vote.

Right, but everyone gets to speak during the voting process. If enough R's speak up for every single vote on every single bill every single day of the entire legislative session they would effectively slow the entire process down so that almost nothing gets through.

[Karch]

Personally I think the CA GOP is it’s own worst enemy.

They keep promoting far right conservatives in the primaries for statewide offices, and then lose, badly, in the general election.

Ex:

Governor’s race in 2000. Had Riordan been the nominee, he wins LA county because LA liked him overall, and Davis was from up north.

He wins Orange and SD county because they were still right leaning.

He loses SF and maybe a couple others in the area, but the population in SoCal is still much higher than NorCal.

Riordan wins all the rural counties, of course.

Granted, Davis was eventually recalled, but I stand by my assertion that the CA GOP needs to thing about the general election before backing someone for the primary nomination…heck, my 17 year old knew this when his group was trying to send money to the local nominee who was going to win by a 4:1 margin, and he spoke up and said to send the money to a candidate that was fighting in a real race.


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[ja308]

Originally Posted by Karch

Personally I think the CA GOP is it’s own worst enemy.

They keep promoting far right conservatives in the primaries for statewide offices, and then lose, badly, in the general election.

Ex:

Governor’s race in 2000. Had Riordan been the nominee, he wins LA county because LA liked him overall, and Davis was from up north.

He wins Orange and SD county because they were still right leaning.

He loses SF and maybe a couple others in the area, but the population in SoCal is still much higher than NorCal.

Riordan wins all the rural counties, of course.

Granted, Davis was eventually recalled, but I stand by my assertion that the CA GOP needs to thing about the general election before backing someone for the primary nomination…heck, my 17 year old knew this when his group was trying to send money to the local nominee who was going to win by a 4:1 margin, and he spoke up and said to send the money to a candidate that was fighting in a real race.


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Riordan is anti gun, hardly far right. We have the entire system stacked against us from Unions to schools to media and the entire democrat party who have all adopted international law .

Fact is a dumbed down population who thinks its self educated, is very easy to manipulate. If every gun owner took the trouble to know the Bill of Rights , source of rights and purpose of government, the far left could not make a decent argument as to why its should be relevant .

The NRA is not our best option, its our only option ! many of us will not teach anyone who is reluctant to join the NRA. Look at the doofus gun owners who will not join, to the delight of every leftist tyrant .

[Karch]

Originally Posted by ja308

Riordan is anti gun, hardly far right. We have the entire system stacked against us from Unions to schools to media and the entire democrat party who have all adopted international law .

Fact is a dumbed down population who thinks its self educated, is very easy to manipulate. If every gun owner took the trouble to know the Bill of Rights , source of rights and purpose of government, the far left could not make a decent argument as to why its should be relevant .

The NRA is not our best option, its our only option ! many of us will not teach anyone who is reluctant to join the NRA. Look at the doofus gun owners who will not join, to the delight of every leftist tyrant .

I didn’t say Riordan was far right, I was saying he would have won the general election over Gray Davis, pro gun or not.


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[ja308]

Originally Posted by Karch

I didn’t say Riordan was far right, I was saying he would have won the general election over Gray Davis, pro gun or not.


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So Riordan wins and signs every antigun bill the dems write ! That's much worse because both parties will be antigun.
Maybe you should join the NRA and read about votes every candidate has accumulated .

[bigdaddyz1776]

Originally Posted by Karch

Personally I think the CA GOP is it’s own worst enemy.

They keep promoting far right conservatives in the primaries for statewide offices, and then lose, badly, in the general election.

Ex:

Governor’s race in 2000. Had Riordan been the nominee, he wins LA county because LA liked him overall, and Davis was from up north.

He wins Orange and SD county because they were still right leaning.

He loses SF and maybe a couple others in the area, but the population in SoCal is still much higher than NorCal.

Riordan wins all the rural counties, of course.

Granted, Davis was eventually recalled, but I stand by my assertion that the CA GOP needs to thing about the general election before backing someone for the primary nomination…heck, my 17 year old knew this when his group was trying to send money to the local nominee who was going to win by a 4:1 margin, and he spoke up and said to send the money to a candidate that was fighting in a real race.


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What is "far right" lol.

I mean I understand some Republican wanting a full ban on abortion or Texas style gun laws or banning marijuana or outlawing gay marriage are just too extreme for the average Californian.

Beyond that, I really don't see anything the CA GOP can do, other than rely on CA Democrats screwing up harder and harder.

Newsom went to Florida, begging them not to vote for DeSantis. The end result is DeSantis outperforming by all expectations and even winning a major Democrat stronghold and overall by a bigger margin than Newsom.

Yes, the CA GOP could work on a coherent message and work on a media machine and voter outreach and other things.

But overall if far right in general means that keeping illegal immigration down and stopping CRT in schools and being for the kind of election laws that Western Europe and Canada already has at this point and not over regulating everything that destroys the middle class, then the nation is already at a point, where its one way or the other.

And these 2022 midterms have confirmed that people have stuck to their team at this point while the independents split ticketed a lot of races.

[OlderThanDirt]

First, the OP needs to fix his signature line…it’s now 8 billion fooking people. Second, I’m not sure I trust a Latvian.

The biggest problem we have in California is that when the going gets tough, the tough run for the border screaming like little girls. You all know who you are…

[SharedShots]

Originally Posted by OlderThanDirt

First, the OP needs to fix his signature line…it’s now 8 billion fooking people. Second, I’m not sure I trust a Latvian.

The biggest problem we have in California is that when the going gets tough, the tough run for the border screaming like little girls. You all know who you are…

If everyone who bailed put as much effort into digging in and if location was an issue, find it right here, do as the left does and overwhelm it and then make it count - build on it town by town, city by city and county by county, everything would be different.

99% scream that somebody should do something just as long as it's not them.

Maybe they enjoy their psych evals, the posse, begging for rights and the endless writing of checks in exchange for nothing. it wasn't Ca that got Bruen it was NY.






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[chris]

Originally Posted by SharedShots

If everyone who bailed put as much effort into digging in and if location was an issue, find it right here, do as the left does and overwhelm it and then make it count - build on it town by town, city by city and county by county, everything would be different.

99% scream that somebody should do something just as long as it's not them.

Maybe they enjoy their psych evals, the posse, begging for rights and the endless writing of checks in exchange for nothing. it wasn't Ca that got Bruen it was NY.






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That boat sailed a long time ago. Until the Republican party in this state get's it's crap together nothing will change. Newsom won handedly on Tuesday. It also shows people don't care how bad crime gets or how much more it costs to live here. People vote with their wallet and feet.

Plus CA is doing everything it can in light of Bruen to delay any change in gun laws. Sure it will come as to when is anyone's guess.

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by OlderThanDirt

The biggest problem we have in California is that when the going gets tough, the tough run for the border screaming like little girls. You all know who you are…

Zero shats given and I definitely know who I am.

We left CA as a family in the mid-1980's...better schools for our boys and a much better job for me.

No run screaming for the border, just watching our house overlooking the Pacific increase in value for around 10 or so years. Actually, it was simple to "run for the border".

Got to Idaho in 2012, got around 15 acres to plant the horses. No complaints.

The going in California is way past the going gets tough. Open your eyes and brain and understand there's NO WAY gun laws will improve, taxes will lower, and crime will decrease.

Your post is characteristic of someone with either not enough money to move out of CA, and/or the old "family ties" are keeping you there...or maybe your "great job".

Enjoy.

[ja308]

Originally Posted by -hanko

Zero shats given and I definitely know who I am.

We left CA as a family in the mid-1980's...better schools for our boys and a much better job for me.

No run screaming for the border, just watching our house overlooking the Pacific increase in value for around 10 or so years. Actually, it was simple to "run for the border".

Got to Idaho in 2012, got around 15 acres to plant the horses. No complaints.

The going in California is way past the going gets tough. Open your eyes and brain and understand there's NO WAY gun laws will improve, taxes will lower, and crime will decrease.

Enjoy.

Kept rentals in ca until its time to sell for a better return . Fact is no matter how bad dems make life in Ca. the climate is great and so many know nothing of what they lost and are losing
gas while not $ 1.67 under Trump is 3.10 for 93 at Sams .mosty around 3,47. gun rights honored and we just sent a man to the senate who owns a shooting range and gun shop .

[chris]

Originally Posted by OlderThanDirt

The biggest problem we have in California is that when the going gets tough, the tough run for the border screaming like little girls. You all know who you are…

I'm not going to retire in this state. To expensive and too many dam people.

[Usual_Suspect]

Originally Posted by chris

I'm not going to retire in this state. To expensive and too many dam people.

I was going to retire early, bought 4 acres and built a house west of Enterprise area of Clark County in Nevada. I own a specialty aircraft and automotive parts manufacturing business, yes some stuff is still made in America. Just about the time the house was finished I discovered I had no plans when I retired.
I decided to move my business, and some of the better folks that work for me up Nevada.
I have not looked back, there is more to leaving Cali than just 2A, regulations and taxes on businesses added to it, and the climate of tax the big bad business owners to pay for whatever program they wanted to fund was becoming too much.

[Capybara]

Ca & GOP in the same sentence are politically irrelevant. That fight was lost decades ago.

[chris]

Originally Posted by Capybara

Ca & GOP in the same sentence are politically irrelevant. That fight was lost decades ago.

Since the early 90's it was lost. I think after Prop 187 it was over.

[1911su16b870]

FWIW Paul Pelosi getting attacked in his home is a good example of how to convert a dem/lib to someone who should own their personal safety & protection.

With CA's overall degradation in law enforcement, the stage is set for folks to be more interested in personal safety and protection.

[stilly]

Okay Folks.

I need yall to vote me in for Gov next week... I will flip them bizitches.

I grew up my entire life playing with guns, even when I was not allowed to. Everyone who works with me knows I am the guy to go to when they got gun questions. I even openly read the Firearms news when I have training events to go to and we get 10 minutes breaks. (ten minutes to educate me more on guns...) I do NOT shy away. But damn my voice is not as loud I want it to be. I feel like exploding in a Tom Macdonald sort of way and I really want to just start hanging around Turners to help the new gun owners by intercepting their questions and I am going to start talking about guns more loudly when I am out with my wife. I WANT people to ovehear some things. Folks NEED to hear things.

I am weak in the politico though. I think I DO need to start writing my political representatives but first I gotta find out who they are. I only know a few and they are Ken Calvert and yeah Ken Calvert... okay so I know one.

I only vote for folks that I think will be good for my 2A rights. If you are a dem and I do not know you, it is not even on the table.

But yeah, I need to start bringing more folks to Jesus, or at least to the shooting range. I am gonna start some IRL with shooting on twitch and instagram in the future.

****ing light this fire already. We need a zombie army to infiltrate and teach folks better things and make them smarter when it comes to guns.

[ja308]

Wherever NRA membership is high there is good government and politicians fear NRA voters .
Why not join, upgrade and recruit new members . Oh that's too easy, which is exactly why it works .
Is the NRA perfect ? No but its close to perfect and only a doofus would reject being a member.

[stilly]

Originally Posted by ja308

Wherever NRA membership is high there is good government and politicians fear NRA voters .
Why not join, upgrade and recruit new members . Oh that's too easy, which is exactly why it works .
Is the NRA perfect ? No but its close to perfect and only a doofus would reject being a member.

I have a problem with that statement.

Until the NRA gets rid of Wayne La Pierre I am refusing to be a member. I have seen CRPA and GOA and several others all over the news and starting lawsuits left and right to combat things and where is the NRA? Playing politics in the back room thinking they are going to walk out with a smug look on their face and go back to business as normal. The story broke, I heard about it a few years ago before it broke and the way the top handles the money they get and spend it on stupid frivolous things makes me object more and more to that guy being in charge. I did not pay dues so he could live like a king and we all have to sit around and wait. Meanwhile, GOA is making things happen. Oh the NRA opposes this guy or that guy? Well, not this year because they are busy running from New York AG. They don't have time to oppose anyone just yet... It is things like that that make a guy stop and think about who they are giving money to. Neal Knox was right.

But joining in the other groups and trying to remain positive is not enough for me anymore. Still looking for that extra 10% that undoes this BS that is being spread and helps people see they are being lied to by the masses.