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Old 08-01-2020, 7:37 AM
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So I inherited various firearms from my dad after he passed last year and I came upon a Colt Combat Commander 1911.

I looked up the serial number on the frame and it indicates a production year of 1972. When looking up pictures of similar year 1911's, I noticed they didn't quite look the same as the one I had.

It appears I have a series 80 slide on a series 70 frame? Does that look like the case? Will this negatively affect it's value? I was going to sell it since I have another 1911 that I would like to keep but if the value isn't there, I may as well hold onto it.
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Old 08-01-2020, 7:44 AM
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A series 70 frame is not capable of activating the firing pin mechanism of the series 80 slide, if that pistol was working it's because it is all series 80, or the firing pin block was removed.

Nice old gun !
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Old 08-01-2020, 7:48 AM
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It definitely functions.

I'll have to pull it apart later and take a look.
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Old 08-01-2020, 7:52 AM
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Are you sure its a series 80 slide? If you have a 1972, I believe it should have the series 70 slide unless previous owner swapped in the later series 80 slide.

Can you post a picture of the top of frame with slide removed and another photo of bottom of slide to see if it has the series 80 plunger?
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Old 08-01-2020, 7:53 AM
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It definitely says Series 80 on the slide (see 2nd and 3rd pictures).

I'll take some pictures of it disassembled and post them.
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First take it apart and see if the frame has the lever to lift the series 80 firing pin block. If not then see if the slide has had the block removed. If they are mismatched yes it effects value.

Secondly these were inherited from your father, they should be invaluable to you.


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Old 08-01-2020, 9:39 AM
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1911 Colt (Combat) Commander ~ sweet memories from the 70s!
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Old 08-01-2020, 5:28 PM
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the hammer and beavertail grip safety are newer also. i would keep it because it has history. but if you did want to sell it, i would buy it.

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Old 08-01-2020, 5:28 PM
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Sell immediately. In this current market you could probably get pretty good money. Then buy ammo.
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Will this negatively affect it's value? I was going to sell it since I have another 1911 that I would like to keep but if the value isn't there, I may as well hold onto it.
Yes being a mix-master hurts its value. If it was a true pre-80's Combat Commander the value would be considerably higher. That said in todays market Im sure someone would pay you a decent price.
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It looks like (?) the frame has a 70S prefix in the serial, so very likely a mismatch
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Old 08-01-2020, 7:56 PM
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Here's more pics of both the frame and slide. You can definitely see where I assume the firing pin block mechanism is supposed to be.
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Secondly these were inherited from your father, they should be invaluable to you.
Normally I would agree however this particular gun I never fired. I don't think he ever fired it either. Sat in a safe for probably 15 years after he got it.

Plenty of his other guns I do have a connection with though (one of them being a different 1911).
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Hard to say from the pics, but the frame looks like it has some miles on it. And that is for sure a Series 80 slide with the firing pin block removed.
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70 series frame with 80 series slide. A mish mash of parts. On its own no historical value but a decent starting point for a possible full frame up custom build.


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^ what he said.
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If it has no intrinsic value to you, then sell it. If you keep it, it will turn into a money pit..... AKA custom build.
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My kid doesn’t want me to sell anymore guns. I wonder if he sees the guns being monetary value, or to cherish the memories we shared shooting them...
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Old 08-02-2020, 10:14 AM
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I love my Commander, and I suppose it could be called a mishmash of parts as it was built by King's Gunworks back in the 1970s. A Colt Commander slide on a Caspian frame with all King's parts and an adjustable S&W revolver sight milled and installed as the rear sight. It is my most accurate centerfire handgun, and I won Class A in my club's action pistol matches a couple years running, as well as it used to be on my CCW.
I love Commanders and someone would buy it just because they are great guns. So much the better if it is a bargain price.
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OP, did you go through your father's things to make sure there isn't a series 70 commander slide tucked away somewhere?

And I agree with what someone else posted that selling at this time should get your asking price or close to it.
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OP, did you go through your father's things to make sure there isn't a series 70 commander slide tucked away somewhere?
Yes, I looked through everything that I could. Gun safe, garage, storage, etc., couldn't find anything else.
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I love my Commander, and I suppose it could be called a mishmash of parts as it was built by King's Gunworks back in the 1970s. A Colt Commander slide on a Caspian frame with all King's parts and an adjustable S&W revolver sight milled and installed as the rear sight. It is my most accurate centerfire handgun, and I won Class A in my club's action pistol matches a couple years running, as well as it used to be on my CCW.
I love Commanders and someone would buy it just because they are great guns. So much the better if it is a bargain price.

Completely different when you know who built the gun.


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For the record there never were Series 70 Commanders. Series 70 was defined by the use of collet bushings and "Series 70" roll-marks, neither of which were ever featured on the Commanders. Technically the OP's frame is a "pre-Series 80 Combat Commander".
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70 series frame with 80 series slide. A mish mash of parts. On its own no historical value but a decent starting point for a possible full frame up custom build.


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Oh, I understand that. I was just trying to be bit funny. All the parts have the King's insignia stamped on them - the K in a shield shape with a crown on top.
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