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Old 01-11-2019, 11:27 PM
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I was hesitant to post about my new rifle here, but screw it. Lots of my friends here still like talking about interesting guns. Thereís no way to make this Ca legal, so if thatís an issue with you, Iím sorry.

Yes it is stupid expensive and overpriced. Iím well aware of that. Iím also aware it wonít do anything your $400 homemade PSA AR15 wonít do.

This post is for clone nerds. Guys like me who Colt released this for. Guys who have a passion for military small arms clones, and owning something as close to an original as possible without spending almost $40,000 for a transferable NFA weapon.

Here is my new Colt retro reissue XM177e2 carbine as issued to the US Army MACVSOG in the late 60ís. I bought the Colt vs. the Troy or Brownells for various reasons. Fist and foremost, it has all the proper Colt rollmarks of the era. Second, Troy has some personnel hiring issues that iím not particularly fond of, but their xm clone is awesome in and of itself. Third, the Brownells version, while a fine functioning rifle, has too many discrepancies for clone nerds.

Colt knocked it out of the park with this. The attention to detail is amazing. Proper color, metal 2 position car buttstock, A1 receivers and ejection port door, buffer tube nut, single heat shield 6 hole handguards, tapered delta ring, a1 grip, tear drop forward assist, faux moderator dimensions, & receiver rollmarks etc etc. Iím thrilled with this thing. The XM177e2 was always a favorite of mine, but I never built one and no one was really making a good clone. Until recently. Anyway, for those that enjoy such things, enjoy.
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Sexy AF. Hopefully I'll be in a new place in AZ in a few months. I got a 20" retro reissue on the brain (or an SP1 lol)
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Very cool rifle.

My dad served on MACV team 98 from October 67 through through June 68. He was a Staff Sergeant leading a Provincial Reconnaissance Unit and he received the bronze star for his actions during Tet. You don't hear about the MACV guys much and I'm always interested to see stuff like this.

In his case, I'm not sure if these were issued to his unit. I don't recall seeing any in pictures, though they might not have been issued to his PRU team as I believe they were mostly Cambodian mercenaries. I do know he carried a Thompson at least part of his time over there. I'll have to look into this further.

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Very cool rifle.

My dad served on MACV team 98 from October 67 through through June 68. He was a Staff Sergeant leading a Provincial Reconnaissance Unit and he received the bronze star for his actions during Tet. You don't hear about the MACV guys much and I'm always interested to see stuff like this.
Not to drift too far OT, I was in Squadron Officer's School when James P. Flemming was Ops officer. He was awarded the Medal of Honor for rescuing a MACV-SOG team in 1968.

Once I escape, I plan to have one as well.
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Very cool rifle.

My dad served on MACV team 98 from October 67 through through June 68. He was a Staff Sergeant leading a Provincial Reconnaissance Unit and he received the bronze star for his actions during Tet. You don't hear about the MACV guys much and I'm always interested to see stuff like this.

Thank you for your reply. Man, if your dad is comfortable talking about his experiences, it would be well worth it to document it for your future offspring. Those guys did some amazing operations.


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Sexy AF. Hopefully I'll be in a new place in AZ in a few months. I got a 20" retro reissue on the brain (or an SP1 lol)


Colts retro reissue m16a1 is an awesome rifle as well, and iím really itching to buy one of those too. Itís a couple hundred cheaper than the xm177e2, but is still expensive, and about twice the price of original sp1ís at gun show prices here. Go for it, you wonít be disappointed!


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Not to drift too far OT, I was in Squadron Officer's School when James P. Flemming was Ops officer. He was awarded the Medal of Honor for rescuing a MACV-SOG team in 1968.



Once I escape, I plan to have one as well.


Drift all you want Sir. Thank you for your service. Reasons I post stuff like this is for fellow enthusiasts to chime in, and for cool stories like yours to surface. Have a great weekend.


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Just too damn cool!
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This has always been a build I’ve wanted to do. Dam good looking Colt.
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That is so cool. I'd buy one too if I lived in free America.

Im guessing the "moderator" is pinned and welded to make the barrel 16"?
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That is so cool. I'd buy one too if I lived in free America.

Im guessing the "moderator" is pinned and welded to make the barrel 16"?


Cav, yes sir. The faux moderator is baffle-less and just a flash hider. It is pinned and welded to make 16.1Ē. They did a great job as there is zero evidence of the pin weld job. Barrel twist is 1/12 like the originals also. Actual barrel length is approx 14Ē as it extends up into the moderator pretty far.


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That is a very nice rifle. I built one a few years ago using a M16 kit and a 80% receiver I reprofiled and had engraved.




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Great rifle! Here's an NOS moderator to go with it.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/792039583
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I was hesitant to post about my new rifle here, but screw it. Lots of my friends here still like talking about interesting guns. Thereís no way to make this Ca legal, so if thatís an issue with you, Iím sorry.

Yes it is stupid expensive and overpriced. Iím well aware of that. Iím also aware it wonít do anything your $400 homemade PSA AR15 wonít do.

This post is for clone nerds. Guys like me who Colt released this for. Guys who have a passion for military small arms clones, and owning something as close to an original as possible without spending almost $40,000 for a transferable NFA weapon.

Here is my new Colt retro reissue XM177e2 carbine as issued to the US Army MACVSOG in the late 60ís. I bought the Colt vs. the Troy or Brownells for various reasons. Fist and foremost, it has all the proper Colt rollmarks of the era. Second, Troy has some personnel hiring issues that iím not particularly fond of, but their xm clone is awesome in and of itself. Third, the Brownells version, while a fine functioning rifle, has too many discrepancies for clone nerds.

Colt knocked it out of the park with this. The attention to detail is amazing. Proper color, metal 2 position car buttstock, A1 receivers and ejection port door, buffer tube nut, single heat shield 6 hole handguards, tapered delta ring, a1 grip, tear drop forward assist, faux moderator dimensions, & receiver rollmarks etc etc. Iím thrilled with this thing. The XM177e2 was always a favorite of mine, but I never built one and no one was really making a good clone. Until recently. Anyway, for those that enjoy such things, enjoy.
Original Colt branded 3x carry handle
scope was not included but came from my collection.
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When I saw Colt coming out with it, I felt a pang of jealousy as I had bought the Troy version. At the time, Troy was the only one making the retro clone, but at least it was available before the 2017 AW cut off. Now that I’m a free man, it wouldn’t have mattered in retrospect, but at least it was in my hands.

Congrats, nitroxdriver. That is a beaut.

BTW, I’ll have to spring for those scopes too due to old eyes Are was the ones made in Japan of good quality? The ones available in that era, were they made in USA? Ones in eBay, are there Chinese fakes to avoid?
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I was hesitant to post about my new rifle here, but screw it. Lots of my friends here still like talking about interesting guns. Thereís no way to make this Ca legal, so if thatís an issue with you, Iím sorry.

Yes it is stupid expensive and overpriced. Iím well aware of that. Iím also aware it wonít do anything your $400 homemade PSA AR15 wonít do.

This post is for clone nerds. Guys like me who Colt released this for. Guys who have a passion for military small arms clones, and owning something as close to an original as possible without spending almost $40,000 for a transferable NFA weapon.

Here is my new Colt retro reissue XM177e2 carbine as issued to the US Army MACVSOG in the late 60ís. I bought the Colt vs. the Troy or Brownells for various reasons. Fist and foremost, it has all the proper Colt rollmarks of the era. Second, Troy has some personnel hiring issues that iím not particularly fond of, but their xm clone is awesome in and of itself. Third, the Brownells version, while a fine functioning rifle, has too many discrepancies for clone nerds.

Colt knocked it out of the park with this. The attention to detail is amazing. Proper color, metal 2 position car buttstock, A1 receivers and ejection port door, buffer tube nut, single heat shield 6 hole handguards, tapered delta ring, a1 grip, tear drop forward assist, faux moderator dimensions, & receiver rollmarks etc etc. Iím thrilled with this thing. The XM177e2 was always a favorite of mine, but I never built one and no one was really making a good clone. Until recently. Anyway, for those that enjoy such things, enjoy.
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A two stamp export 639 xm177e2 just sold at auction for $39k. A little more than I wanna spend on a rifle


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When I saw Colt coming out with it, I felt a pang of jealousy as I had bought the Troy version. At the time, Troy was the only one making the retro clone, but at least it was available before the 2017 AW cut off. Now that Iím a free man, it wouldnít have mattered in retrospect, but at least it was in my hands.

Congrats, nitroxdriver. That is a beaut.

BTW, Iíll have to spring for those scopes too due to old eyes Are was the ones made in Japan of good quality? The ones available in that era, were they made in USA? Ones in eBay, are there Chinese fakes to avoid?


Brother youíre not missing anything with the Troy. That is another absolutely perfect clone, and iíd be proud to own one. I just really wanted the Colt version, and iím still a bit bitter over Troys hiring drama.

The scopes are cool but nothing like a modern acog. Kinda straw like. The glass is clear and sharp though. They made them in 3x and 4x. Mine was made in Japan by Hakko. Thee are chinese knockoffs and outright fakes so do a bit of research first before plunking down the cash.

Please contribute some photos of your awesome troy if you find yourself out in the safe.


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Thats called an investment. Limited supply...............forever. Mostly only goes up in value
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Thats called an investment. Limited supply...............forever. Mostly only goes up in value


Very true. I already have pretty good access to shoot f/a whenever i want, and itís really hard for me to invest in them myself. Iíve talked myself out of a mac10 a half dozen times already, and theyíre only 7-8 grand.


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Super cool! Thank you for sharing...if only I lived in a state that understood the meaning of "infringed"...I would join you!
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Iím pretty sure Imarangemaster used to have an actual xm as a department issued weapon, hence the reason I tagged him in the post title. Thought he might like to see this.


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Thats an great new piece nitrox. I have had the A1 in a shopping cart on 4 separate occasions!! I am just having a time justifying it since I already have a nice clone from a correct NOS Colt upper and furniture on a Nodak lower.

Yours has perfect roll marking which adds to the value and satisfaction. Major bonus and luck.

I am pretty sure this post is going to get me up to a cart tally of 5.

A couple I’ve seen on GB had incomplete roll marks, so that is what held me back as no one that offers these at decent prices will take a pic. Normally wouldn’t care, but this item is all about being as perfect as it could be. Ironic given a real one would probably not have been as nice new.

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Very neat little carbine Steep price tag at $2,300.00 + Anyone know what the production numbers will be?

Gotts love that look.
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Hahah! I LOVE IT!!!!!! Thank you. Yep, I briefly (for 4 or 5 months) in the mid-1990s had one as an LEO trunk weapon. It was seized in a drug raid and converted to department use. Then I made the mistake of letting a SWAT Sgt. know I had checked it out when it first came in...He pulled rank...the rest is history. It was sweet, though my Mini-14 shot better at 100 yards.

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Very cool. My boss was Platoon leader in a First Air Cav in VN, he carried one of those. He said accuracy was terrible, but he also said he would fill his mags with only tracers and use it basically as pointer to direct fire from his men. At 50 yards he said all the bullets would be going sideways through a cardboard box target. I'm assuming the slow twist barrels of the time and the long, heavy tracers were to blame.
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https://www.waguns.org/viewtopic.php?f=146&t=91466

Real moderators for those of you with FFL01/7 and SOT in California. (Or those of you elsewhere willing to blow a $200 stamp on devices that arenít very effective at decibel reduction)
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The XM I had at the SO had a birdcage replacing the moderator. That was fairly common post Vietnam. Moderators got plugged up with carbon and fouling fairly easily. In 1979-1981, I was in a USAF Reserve/Air National Guard unit as an SP and armorer (I was active Army 74-77, then Army reserve until I switched to USAF). I carried a GAU-5/A/A (XM with no forward assist). It had a moderator. We would take the moderators off and soak them in something like carbon tet (or something like that, I don't remember what) to break up the fouling.

I also carried a GAU-5/P, a 14.5" pencil barrel with an A1 birdcage. My GAU-5/P had a 601 or 602 lower (slab side with a non-captive pivot pin) and no forward assist. I typical USAF Franken Carbine. We recycled everything weapon wise.

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Real moderators for those of you with FFL01/7 and SOT in California. (Or those of you elsewhere willing to blow a $200 stamp on devices that arenít very effective at decibel reduction)


Milsurp, thank you for the link. Thatís cool someone is reproducing them for the true hard corp cloners. Considering the ineffectiveness of the moderators at suppressing noise, Iím good with my faux moderator and putting my tax stamp money towards modern suppressors I did just see an original new in wrap colt moderator for sale for $1,800. So these are a heck of a deal for the serious cloner.


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$1,800! I agree a fake moderator pinned for 16Ē OAL is the most practical path with these. Now a Colt 635 with modern suppressor....
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By the way, when is the next time that Colt scope will be left unattended? (GPS coordinates too please)
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By the way, when is the next time that Colt scope will be left unattended? (GPS coordinates too please)


I think itís found itís perma home. Iíve had this thing in my gear locker for so long. Tried it on a couple of my modern colts. but it just wasnít right. On the A1 carbine upper itís perfect. I was looking for another one recently for a buddy who was drooling over mine. Holy heck have these things become scarce and expensive.


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If that lower is cut out to fit FA FCG you can come over and drop a spare parts kit and my RDIAS in it.
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CA be damned - thanks for sharing, nitroxdiver.

XM177s are soooooo cool. I'm jealous
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