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Old 11-14-2020, 1:22 PM
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Situation: moved from Nevada with my AR pistol maglocked. I did NOT register with CFARS. Buyers FFL says if it was not registered here in CA as a pistol DROS will reject it.

Can this AR Pistol be PPT'd as a pistol or not? I do not have an FSC and due to being in a roommate situation I do not have proof of residency documents to take back this weapon in case the transfer ends up rejected.

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Old 11-14-2020, 1:27 PM
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Where are you located? Can refer you if in socal. When did you move here?
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Situation: moved from Nevada with my AR pistol maglocked. I did NOT register with CFARS. Buyers FFL says if it was not registered here in CA as a pistol DROS will reject it.

Can this AR Pistol be PPT'd as a pistol or not? I do have an FSC and due to being in a roommate situation I do not have proof of residency documents to take back this weapon in case the transfer ends up rejected.
Not sure what this bolded means. Depending on the FFL you go to any of these could be acceptable:
1) Sublease agreement between you and roommate (you can sign this in minutes)
2) Fishing License (you can get this same day)
3) Hunting License (you can get this same day assuming you have pre-reqs met)
4) Calfire Camp Permit (you can get this same day)
5) CA Vehicle Registration (assuming you have one)

As for whether or not it can be PPTd I see no reason why not. If you're within the "new resident" window then there is/was no requirement for it to be registered yet. All of the above assumes you have a CA ID/DL as that is a requirement to do a PPT as well.
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Old 11-21-2020, 8:25 AM
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Not sure what this bolded means. Depending on the FFL you go to any of these could be acceptable:
1) Sublease agreement between you and roommate (you can sign this in minutes)
2) Fishing License (you can get this same day)
3) Hunting License (you can get this same day assuming you have pre-reqs met)
4) Calfire Camp Permit (you can get this same day)
5) CA Vehicle Registration (assuming you have one)

As for whether or not it can be PPTd I see no reason why not. If you're within the "new resident" window then there is/was no requirement for it to be registered yet. All of the above assumes you have a CA ID/DL as that is a requirement to do a PPT as well.
I left out “not” and meant do not have an FSC. As for the bold, I do not have any approved documents to show residency IE cable,gas, electric bill etc. My reg is NV .
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I left out “not” and meant do not have an FSC. As for the bold, I do not have any approved documents to show residency IE cable,gas, electric bill etc. My reg is NV .
What is stopping you from getting any item #1-4 on the list I mentioned (assuming your FFL will accept them). They are all legal forms of proof of residency. You will need to check which your FFL will accept as not all of them will recognize all 4 items even though they are technically legal.
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:07 AM
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Find another ffl . shootsocal will do it in OC. My son is giving me one from Idaho and I am doing transfer there/
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What is stopping you from getting any item #1-4 on the list I mentioned (assuming your FFL will accept them). They are all legal forms of proof of residency. You will need to check which your FFL will accept as not all of them will recognize all 4 items even though they are technically legal.
You need to have been a resident of CA for 6 months to obtain those licenses. Rental agreement needs to be notorized and I cannot afford to Reg and Insure my vehicle in this state yet. So again, I do not have the required docs needed to take back this pistol if DROS rejects.
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Find another ffl . shootsocal will do it in OC. My son is giving me one from Idaho and I am doing transfer there/
Hes giving you an AR pistol?
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You need to have been a resident of CA for 6 months to obtain those licenses. Rental agreement needs to be notorized and I cannot afford to Reg and Insure my vehicle in this state yet. So again, I do not have the required docs needed to take back this pistol if DROS rejects.
Rental Agreement does not need to be notarized. At least none of the ones I've ever taken have been. Where on the free campfire permit does it say you need to be a resident for 6 months?

Even if the Rental Agreement needs to be notarized per your FFL, that only costs you $10, is your roommate not willing to go do that with you?

What is stopping you from getting those? It's up to you, but I was trying to help you have documents for your POR. If you don't want to make the effort then don't PPT your firearm until you're ready and have whatever document you want to have.
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Rental Agreement does not need to be notarized. At least none of the ones I've ever taken have been. Where on the free campfire permit does it say you need to be a resident for 6 months?

Even if the Rental Agreement needs to be notarized per your FFL, that only costs you $10, is your roommate not willing to go do that with you?

What is stopping you from getting those? It's up to you, but I was trying to help you have documents for your POR. If you don't want to make the effort then don't PPT your firearm until you're ready and have whatever document you want to have.
Your own website directs customers to DOJs acceptable list of docs page. Nowhere does it list a campfire license as being acceptable.
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Your own website directs customers to DOJs acceptable list of docs page. Nowhere does it list a campfire license as being acceptable.
Sure it does...

" Current, government-issued license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License, California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto."
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He is bringing ar pistol to ffl I cannot get it till dros done.
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:23 PM
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Your own website directs customers to DOJs acceptable list of docs page. Nowhere does it list a campfire license as being acceptable.
I'm glad you followed that because if you look at:
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#13G
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Residential lease that bears the individual's name and either of the following:
The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Residential lease" means either of the following:

* A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time; or
* A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.
You'll note it doesn't say notarized. If you want a very simple template you can use this: http://www.ugimports.com/docs/Reside..._Agreement.pdf
DOJ has accepted this form during our previous audits.

However, as I mentioned earlier, regardless of what info I provide in this thread you'll need to check with the FFL you are doing the transfer at on what is acceptable to them.
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:27 PM
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You have 60 days to register your guns when you move here. You should be able to get this in by 12-27. I don't see where an FSC is required to register your guns. Nor is one required to sell. You will need a CA drivers license only to complete a PPT as the seller. If the buyer get rejected that's his problem not yours. I'd have him sign something to the effect of if he's rejected he gets no refund and you will not retrieve the gun from the FFL.
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/ab991frm.pdf
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Ca hunting license
This you have to have 6 months of residency for (it says it on the license when you sign maybe for CA residents only). Perhaps a non-resident hunting license will work.

Looks like a fishing license can be a Non-Resident fishing license since he hasn't been here 6 mo yet. Regardless of the name it meets the CA DOJ Requirements as a government doc with expiration dates, etc..
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Also as fsc for long gun dros.
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I'm glad you followed that because if you look at:
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#13G
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You'll note it doesn't say notarized. If you want a very simple template you can use this: http://www.ugimports.com/docs/Reside..._Agreement.pdf
DOJ has accepted this form during our previous audits.

However, as I mentioned earlier, regardless of what info I provide in this thread you'll need to check with the FFL you are doing the transfer at on what is acceptable to them.
This is where it gets confusing

"Examples of acceptable proof of residency:

Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit.
Certificate of Eligibility (COE.)
Curio and Relic (C &R) Federal Firearms License (03 FFL) with name and address.
Current DMV Disabled Placard.
Current DMV Registrations.
Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name on it from within the last 3 months.
Resident Hunting License issued by Department of Fish and Wildlife
Fishing License: Commercial, Resident Sport, Lifetime, 1, 2, and 10 day licenses issued by the Department of Fish and Wildlife.
Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.
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I'm done. I tried to help..really.. just you do you. As I said though regardles of what you read here or anywhere on the internet, until you ask the FFL you're going to none of it matters.
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You have 60 days to register your guns when you move here. You should be able to get this in by 12-27. I don't see where an FSC is required to register your guns. Nor is one required to sell. You will need a CA drivers license only to complete a PPT as the seller. If the buyer get rejected that's his problem not yours. I'd have him sign something to the effect of if he's rejected he gets no refund and you will not retrieve the gun from the FFL.
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/ab991frm.pdf
My problem is the FFL telling my buyer that they could run it through DROS but it would be rejected because there was no record of it being a pistol with DOJ. I contacted the buyers FFL and they replied saying that if it was registered, it would not get kicked back in DROS. My reason for the FSC and every other document is in case it got kicked back, I would then need to do a BG as if I was the buyer and go through the whole process.

Taking the buyers money and running away is wrong. Its one thing if the rejection was due to an issue on the buyers end but that's not what Im talking or even asking about here. As for registering the weapon, thats pointless. It's going to show pending for over a year until somone can review my submission and determine if it's compliant. Im still in the same situation when I go to sell the pistol because the record will not even show up while it's pending.
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Volreg it for now. Till you get your act together. Stop with notrarized nonsense. Or contact Dave at shootsocal on here or at his business and ask what he requires.
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Volreg it for now. Till you get your act together. Stop with notrarized nonsense. Or contact Dave at shootsocal on here or at his business and ask what he requires.
My act together? LOL sure buddy.. Its the fact you FFLs have no idea how to do your job or any understanding of the laws that has me in this situation. "notarized nonsense" GTFO
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My act together? LOL sure buddy.. Its the fact you FFLs have no idea how to do your job or any understanding of the laws that has me in this situation. "notarized nonsense" GTFO
Why are you posting in the FFL forum if that's your stance? Stands to reason anything I say has no value to you. Every bit of advice I gave you is legal.
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OP is so paranoid that I would not do business with him. He has been given answers but says we are liars. He could volreg per ca law while he gets his docs together. He can sell ar while that is underway.
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