Is there ever going to be a chance in h*** for 9mm

[Dano3467]

Lever action 9mm ?

Seems with 22, 38, 357, 44. in lever action. it's kind of time for a 9mm.

What do you think ?.. good idea ?.. or not ?

Know I'd buy if it had the side gate loading.

[billped]

How would that work?

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by Dano3467

Lever action 9mm ?

Seems with 22, 38, 357, 44. in lever action. it's kind of time for a 9mm.

What do you think ?.. good idea ?.. or not ?

Know I'd buy if it had the side gate loading.

Doesn't the lever action mechanism require a rimmed cartridge to eject the case?

[BillyMays]

Originally Posted by OCEquestrian

Doesn't the lever action mechanism require a rimmed cartridge to eject the case?

"Require" is such a strong word... Just ask a different engineer until you get the answer you want. Or better, don't ask the engineer at all and go straight to marketing.

[plumbum]

Originally Posted by OCEquestrian

Doesn't the lever action mechanism require a rimmed cartridge to eject the case?

Not necessarily, just look at .35 Remington.

The 9mm is not functional in a tube magazine, generally speaking. Now maybe a Ruger 96/9x19 setup with pistol magazines.

[WalterJones]

Originally Posted by OCEquestrian

Doesn't the lever action mechanism require a rimmed cartridge to eject the case?

Why couldn't it use the same type of extractor engineering as any other rimless cartridge?

[bohoki]

no the bullet shape is condusive to chain fire in a tube and why have a mag fed lever are we in australia?

[hermosabeach]

Originally Posted by bohoki

no the bullet shape is condusive to chain fire in a tube and why have a mag fed lever are we in australia?

+1

With Rim fire- very little recoil and bullet tip is not on the primer...

With other lever bullets- you need a truncated nose / flat nose...

A pointed bullet can act as a firing pin the the round loaded in front of it....




-- edit-- 450 Marlin is a rimless belted level gun round-- so they have made rimless lever guns

[bergmen]

Originally Posted by Dano3467

Lever action 9mm ?

Seems with 22, 38, 357, 44. in lever action. it's kind of time for a 9mm.

What do you think ?.. good idea ?.. or not ?

Know I'd buy if it had the side gate loading.

You would just need a design that would take Glock magazines.

Dan

[AbrahamBurden]

Zero purpose to it imo. The primary market niche would be people who want "cowboy aesthetic but sharing ammo with a Glock" and that's completely destroyed if you hack together a box magazine fed lever action, which will almost certainly be more expensive than a Ruger PC or any of the other proven PCCs on the market.

Since the engineer challenges make it prohibitive to work out of a tube magazine with a side-loader as 9mm is rimless, it'd be dead in the water. 9mm isn't really "pointy" like spitzer bullets are but that slight rounded nose could conceivably set off a chain fire.

[bergmen]

Originally Posted by AbrahamBurden

Zero purpose to it imo. The primary market niche would be people who want "cowboy aesthetic but sharing ammo with a Glock" and that's completely destroyed if you hack together a box magazine fed lever action, which will almost certainly be more expensive than a Ruger PC or any of the other proven PCCs on the market.

Since the engineer challenges make it prohibitive to work out of a tube magazine with a side-loader as 9mm is rimless, it'd be dead in the water. 9mm isn't really "pointy" like spitzer bullets are but that slight rounded nose could conceivably set off a chain fire.

True, the 9mm (or any semi-auto pistol round) is not intended for tubular magazines. Rimmed revolver and rifle cartridges typically are.

Dan

[Widdle]

Originally Posted by BillyMays

"Require" is such a strong word... Just ask a different engineer until you get the answer you want. Or better, don't ask the engineer at all and go straight to marketing.

Fitting comment with a handle like that!

[mycrstuff]

How about one in 38 S&W. It is close to the same size as a 9mm case and softer shooting. The only bad thing is it is twice the cost. If you have never seen one they look like a rimed 9mm case.

[Gryff]

Originally Posted by Dano3467

Seems with 22, 38, 357, 44. in lever action. it's kind of time for a 9mm.

Those are all "rimmed" cartridges (the rim is wider than the case body diameter). The 9mm Luger is a rimless cartridge (which is why the round headspaces on the mouth of the case when it is inserted into a pistol's chamber).

Perhaps an engineer could figure something out (S&W did it with their Model 547 which doesn't need moon clips to chamber and extract 9mm rounds), but it would be a reinvention of the lever-action loading/chambering mechanism. Given the archaic design of lever guns, and the fact that there isn't a large cult following despite limitations like with the 1911, there's little incentive for re-inventing the wheel just to chamber 9mm (you aren't going to get much better ballistics than you do with .38 and probably a lot less than with .357 Mag).

[Imageview]

They exist, and you can have one. They are not cheap. Smith is fairly well regarded from what I've seen, I know someone here on cg had some work done by them.

https://www.grizzlycustom.com/

9mm is not one of their standard custom packages (10mm and 45 are), but they are capable of doing it.

I don't get it personally, rifle barrels don't do for 9mm what they donfor a round like 357, but people don't understand why I have some of the weird guns I do so to each their own.

[M76]

Originally Posted by bergmen

You would just need a design that would take Glock magazines.

Dan

Nothing wrong with .38 Special lever action, 9mm is unnecessary

[Scratch705]

Originally Posted by Gryff

Those are all "rimmed" cartridges (the rim is wider than the case body diameter). The 9mm Luger is a rimless cartridge (which is why the round headspaces on the mouth of the case when it is inserted into a pistol's chamber).

Perhaps an engineer could figure something out (S&W did it with their Model 547 which doesn't need moon clips to chamber and extract 9mm rounds), but it would be a reinvention of the lever-action loading/chambering mechanism. Given the archaic design of lever guns, and the fact that there isn't a large cult following despite limitations like with the 1911, there's little incentive for re-inventing the wheel just to chamber 9mm (you aren't going to get much better ballistics than you do with .38 and probably a lot less than with .357 Mag).

no one has to really do anything.

just do what henry did with their long ranger lever guns shooting .308 and .223

use a magazine instead of tube. the lever part is the only "fun" part of owning a lever action. not the stupid slow tube loading process.

[MARKFP]

Originally Posted by Imageview

They exist, and you can have one. They are not cheap. Smith is fairly well regarded from what I've seen, I know someone here on cg had some work done by them.

https://www.grizzlycustom.com/

9mm is not one of their standard custom packages (10mm and 45 are), but they are capable of doing it.

I don't get it personally, rifle barrels don't do for 9mm what they donfor a round like 357, but people don't understand why I have some of the weird guns I do so to each their own.

This got my attention!!!!!!

[Spyder]

I'd be very interested in a mag fed shirt throw similar to Ruger 96 in 9mm.

My model 96 22lr is one of my favorites.

[John Browning]

You could store it right next to your football bat and your bore with teats.

It is hard to think of a more pointless gun. It is like a 10 lb .32 ACP double rifle with a 20x scope. You can. But it is dumb.

[rmnc3r]

9mm bullet is .355
.38 / .357 bullet is .357
so, a .38 / .357 is a 9mm

[JWil]

Originally Posted by mycrstuff

How about one in 38 S&W. It is close to the same size as a 9mm case and softer shooting. The only bad thing is it is twice the cost. If you have never seen one they look like a rimed 9mm case.

It's also way weaker than it's more famous cousin's 38spl/357, and like you mention a lot more expensive.

[Sputnik]

It could be done. There are Win 73s modded to fire 45 auto. I know a fella that has one and was shooting Wild Bunch at our CAS club with it. Pretty cool I thought. Just not very popular and not something most people are looking for.

[Duffo]

https://gunvalues.gundigest.com/marl...62-levermatic/

[Spyder]

Everyone saying it shouldn't be done for whatever reasons...

you're all a bunch of commies.

[OCEquestrian]

Originally Posted by Spyder

Everyone saying it shouldn't be done for whatever reasons...

you're all a bunch of commies.

Ok, here is the capitalist response...there wouldn't be a big enough market to justify the design, licensing and manufacturing cost to get a gun company to embark on such an endeavor.

[norcalAF]

Originally Posted by rmnc3r

9mm bullet is .355
.38 / .357 bullet is .357
so, a .38 / .357 is a 9mm

Ruger makes convertible models with a 9mm cylinder and a .357/38 cylinder.....

[Scratch705]

Originally Posted by norcalAF

Ruger makes convertible models with a 9mm cylinder and a .357/38 cylinder.....

so does chiappa rhino's

they sell a 9mm version of their revolver and even a "combo" version that comes with a swappable cylinder to change between 38/357 and 9mm.

[Fishslayer]

Originally Posted by BillyMays

"Require" is such a strong word... Just ask a different engineer until you get the answer you want. Or better, don't ask the engineer at all and go straight to marketing.

...or just go with .38SP...

Originally Posted by Spyder

Everyone saying it shouldn't be done for whatever reasons...

you're all a bunch of commies.

No commie. It isn't done because there's no money in it. Very capitalistic.

[Imageview]

Rangerpoint did them for a while, but decided to focus more on the parts side and sold/licensed the process to grizzly custom. The arms room also offers a 10mm, and could probably be persuaded to do a 9 with the right incentive.

So there is some money in it, but not much.