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Old 03-05-2021, 2:00 PM
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Lever action 9mm ?

Seems with 22, 38, 357, 44. in lever action. it's kind of time for a 9mm.

What do you think ?.. good idea ?.. or not ?

Know I'd buy if it had the side gate loading.
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How would that work?
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Old 03-05-2021, 2:28 PM
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Lever action 9mm ?

Seems with 22, 38, 357, 44. in lever action. it's kind of time for a 9mm.

What do you think ?.. good idea ?.. or not ?

Know I'd buy if it had the side gate loading.
Doesn't the lever action mechanism require a rimmed cartridge to eject the case?
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Old 03-05-2021, 2:30 PM
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Doesn't the lever action mechanism require a rimmed cartridge to eject the case?
"Require" is such a strong word... Just ask a different engineer until you get the answer you want. Or better, don't ask the engineer at all and go straight to marketing.
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Old 03-05-2021, 2:32 PM
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Doesn't the lever action mechanism require a rimmed cartridge to eject the case?
Not necessarily, just look at .35 Remington.

The 9mm is not functional in a tube magazine, generally speaking. Now maybe a Ruger 96/9x19 setup with pistol magazines.
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Old 03-05-2021, 2:33 PM
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Doesn't the lever action mechanism require a rimmed cartridge to eject the case?
Why couldn't it use the same type of extractor engineering as any other rimless cartridge?
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no the bullet shape is condusive to chain fire in a tube and why have a mag fed lever are we in australia?
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no the bullet shape is condusive to chain fire in a tube and why have a mag fed lever are we in australia?
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With Rim fire- very little recoil and bullet tip is not on the primer...

With other lever bullets- you need a truncated nose / flat nose...

A pointed bullet can act as a firing pin the the round loaded in front of it....




-- edit-- 450 Marlin is a rimless belted level gun round-- so they have made rimless lever guns
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Lever action 9mm ?

Seems with 22, 38, 357, 44. in lever action. it's kind of time for a 9mm.

What do you think ?.. good idea ?.. or not ?

Know I'd buy if it had the side gate loading.
You would just need a design that would take Glock magazines.

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Old 03-05-2021, 4:25 PM
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Zero purpose to it imo. The primary market niche would be people who want "cowboy aesthetic but sharing ammo with a Glock" and that's completely destroyed if you hack together a box magazine fed lever action, which will almost certainly be more expensive than a Ruger PC or any of the other proven PCCs on the market.

Since the engineer challenges make it prohibitive to work out of a tube magazine with a side-loader as 9mm is rimless, it'd be dead in the water. 9mm isn't really "pointy" like spitzer bullets are but that slight rounded nose could conceivably set off a chain fire.
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Zero purpose to it imo. The primary market niche would be people who want "cowboy aesthetic but sharing ammo with a Glock" and that's completely destroyed if you hack together a box magazine fed lever action, which will almost certainly be more expensive than a Ruger PC or any of the other proven PCCs on the market.

Since the engineer challenges make it prohibitive to work out of a tube magazine with a side-loader as 9mm is rimless, it'd be dead in the water. 9mm isn't really "pointy" like spitzer bullets are but that slight rounded nose could conceivably set off a chain fire.
True, the 9mm (or any semi-auto pistol round) is not intended for tubular magazines. Rimmed revolver and rifle cartridges typically are.

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"Require" is such a strong word... Just ask a different engineer until you get the answer you want. Or better, don't ask the engineer at all and go straight to marketing.
Fitting comment with a handle like that!
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How about one in 38 S&W. It is close to the same size as a 9mm case and softer shooting. The only bad thing is it is twice the cost. If you have never seen one they look like a rimed 9mm case.
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Seems with 22, 38, 357, 44. in lever action. it's kind of time for a 9mm.
Those are all "rimmed" cartridges (the rim is wider than the case body diameter). The 9mm Luger is a rimless cartridge (which is why the round headspaces on the mouth of the case when it is inserted into a pistol's chamber).

Perhaps an engineer could figure something out (S&W did it with their Model 547 which doesn't need moon clips to chamber and extract 9mm rounds), but it would be a reinvention of the lever-action loading/chambering mechanism. Given the archaic design of lever guns, and the fact that there isn't a large cult following despite limitations like with the 1911, there's little incentive for re-inventing the wheel just to chamber 9mm (you aren't going to get much better ballistics than you do with .38 and probably a lot less than with .357 Mag).
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They exist, and you can have one. They are not cheap. Smith is fairly well regarded from what I've seen, I know someone here on cg had some work done by them.

https://www.grizzlycustom.com/

9mm is not one of their standard custom packages (10mm and 45 are), but they are capable of doing it.

I don't get it personally, rifle barrels don't do for 9mm what they donfor a round like 357, but people don't understand why I have some of the weird guns I do so to each their own.
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You would just need a design that would take Glock magazines.

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Nothing wrong with .38 Special lever action, 9mm is unnecessary
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Those are all "rimmed" cartridges (the rim is wider than the case body diameter). The 9mm Luger is a rimless cartridge (which is why the round headspaces on the mouth of the case when it is inserted into a pistol's chamber).

Perhaps an engineer could figure something out (S&W did it with their Model 547 which doesn't need moon clips to chamber and extract 9mm rounds), but it would be a reinvention of the lever-action loading/chambering mechanism. Given the archaic design of lever guns, and the fact that there isn't a large cult following despite limitations like with the 1911, there's little incentive for re-inventing the wheel just to chamber 9mm (you aren't going to get much better ballistics than you do with .38 and probably a lot less than with .357 Mag).
no one has to really do anything.

just do what henry did with their long ranger lever guns shooting .308 and .223

use a magazine instead of tube. the lever part is the only "fun" part of owning a lever action. not the stupid slow tube loading process.
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They exist, and you can have one. They are not cheap. Smith is fairly well regarded from what I've seen, I know someone here on cg had some work done by them.

https://www.grizzlycustom.com/

9mm is not one of their standard custom packages (10mm and 45 are), but they are capable of doing it.

I don't get it personally, rifle barrels don't do for 9mm what they donfor a round like 357, but people don't understand why I have some of the weird guns I do so to each their own.
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I'd be very interested in a mag fed shirt throw similar to Ruger 96 in 9mm.

My model 96 22lr is one of my favorites.
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You could store it right next to your football bat and your bore with teats.

It is hard to think of a more pointless gun. It is like a 10 lb .32 ACP double rifle with a 20x scope. You can. But it is dumb.
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9mm bullet is .355
.38 / .357 bullet is .357
so, a .38 / .357 is a 9mm
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How about one in 38 S&W. It is close to the same size as a 9mm case and softer shooting. The only bad thing is it is twice the cost. If you have never seen one they look like a rimed 9mm case.
It's also way weaker than it's more famous cousin's 38spl/357, and like you mention a lot more expensive.
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It could be done. There are Win 73s modded to fire 45 auto. I know a fella that has one and was shooting Wild Bunch at our CAS club with it. Pretty cool I thought. Just not very popular and not something most people are looking for.
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Everyone saying it shouldn't be done for whatever reasons...

you're all a bunch of commies.
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Everyone saying it shouldn't be done for whatever reasons...

you're all a bunch of commies.
Ok, here is the capitalist response...there wouldn't be a big enough market to justify the design, licensing and manufacturing cost to get a gun company to embark on such an endeavor.
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9mm bullet is .355
.38 / .357 bullet is .357
so, a .38 / .357 is a 9mm
Ruger makes convertible models with a 9mm cylinder and a .357/38 cylinder.....
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Ruger makes convertible models with a 9mm cylinder and a .357/38 cylinder.....
so does chiappa rhino's

they sell a 9mm version of their revolver and even a "combo" version that comes with a swappable cylinder to change between 38/357 and 9mm.
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"Require" is such a strong word... Just ask a different engineer until you get the answer you want. Or better, don't ask the engineer at all and go straight to marketing.
...or just go with .38SP...

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you're all a bunch of commies.
No commie. It isn't done because there's no money in it. Very capitalistic.
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Rangerpoint did them for a while, but decided to focus more on the parts side and sold/licensed the process to grizzly custom. The arms room also offers a 10mm, and could probably be persuaded to do a 9 with the right incentive.

So there is some money in it, but not much.
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