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Old 02-25-2021, 5:29 AM
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That vaccine is a cold virus shell that injects engineered mRNA whereas the others are mRNA without the viral delivery system.
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That vaccine is a cold virus shell that injects engineered mRNA whereas the others are mRNA without the viral delivery system.
I wasn't aware that J&J was using mRNA, I thought that was the major difference, that it was built similar to todays flu vax. Link for more reading?

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Johnson & Johnson has an andenovector vaccine, which uses double-stranded DNA to promote an immune response in the body. This technology works differently than the mRNA vaccines available from Pfizer and Moderna, which both use single-stranded RNA.
https://www.prevention.com/health/a3...id-19-vaccine/ about 1/2 way down.

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I'm not trying to to thread jack but I saw something questioning "What way the first covid vaccines will affect blood transfusion recipients (who may not want any of these vaccines or have medical reasons not to get them) from people who have gotten the vaccines and then donated blood?"
Isn't the blood still somehow all pooled together or did we learn something from the mistakes during the AIDS epidemic blood transfusion mistakes?

I can't see blood banks turning away all people who have gotten the vaccine.

I'm not a medical expert but I'm sure someone here will know how this new DNA and the those earlier mRNA vaccines will affect people who get blood transfusions.
Any thoughts from medical experts?

I'm not trying to have anyone put on a tinfoil hat but I think non-experts would be curious because you never know when you might need a blood transfusion due to an accident.

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The J&J vaccine does NOT use mRNA technology. It is also less effective. But it doesnt need to be kept frozen. So it can be distributed at pharmacies and other locations without freezers or concern of temperature degradation.
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The J&J vaccine does NOT use mRNA technology. It is also less effective. But it doesnt need to be kept frozen. So it can be distributed at pharmacies and other locations without freezers or concren of temperature degradation.
This is the biggie. Not so much for us in first world countries, but in third world and remote areas - it's a game changer.
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So, can some one request one vaccine over the other or is it a lottery?
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So, can some one request one vaccine over the other or is it a lottery?
At some point in the not to distant future you will have a choice. It would happen faster if we had competent people in DC, but bumbling Joe and heels up are not even close to competent nor is Fauci.
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Its a lottery and depends on which vaccine they are distributing that day. However, I'm sure that as more people are vaccinated and more vaccine becomes available, they will probably give you the option to choose inorder to entice the stragglers.
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The J&J vaccine does NOT use mRNA technology. It is also less effective. But it doesnt need to be kept frozen. So it can be distributed at pharmacies and other locations without freezers or concern of temperature degradation.
That is right. The J&J vaccine uses DNA technology and is much less fragile at higher temps than RNA vaccines like the other 2. It only requires one dose versus 2 but is only 75% effective versus the 95% effectiveness of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. Nonetheless all three distributed and injected can bring us to herd immunity by end of April.
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i was vaccinated yesterday no line no wait at Pierce college. Took longer to wait in lot 15 minutes after shot then to sign in and get shot.
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Discussion on the J&J on the talk radio this morning.
A little less effective but what does that mean?
They said the J&J reduces or eliminates moderate to severe symptoms in most cases.
OK, that sounds good but it also sounds like you can still get the virus with the J&J but it won't be as bad.
So is it a vaccine or a pre- treatment / remedy?
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Discussion on the J&J on the talk radio this morning.
A little less effective but what does that mean?
They said the J&J reduces or eliminates moderate to severe symptoms in most cases.
OK, that sounds good but it also sounds like you can still get the virus with the J&J but it won't be as bad.
So is it a vaccine or a pre- treatment / remedy?
It's a flu shot.
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So is it a vaccine or a pre- treatment / remedy?
Itís a vaccine, using a more traditional mechanism. It uses another ( modified ) virus to prime your immune system.

Different vaccines will have different levels of effectiveness.

The gold standard for a vaccine is one that provides a so called ďsterilizing immunityĒ, meaning that covid wonít be able to get a foothold in a person. ( And that person wonít be able to infect others. ) Personally I donít care. As long as a vaccine largely eliminates death/trip to ICU, thatís good enough for me. If - worst case - I get a day or two of feeling like crap when I finally get covid thatís fine. Iíll be sure to stay in bed, away from others.

For folks worrying about being guinea pigs for the new mRNA vaccines, J&J is probably a good way to go. ( Or the Russian Sputnik vaccine. )

For folks that arenít concerned about the new vaccines, mRNA may be better in terms of priming you to fight off covid.

For folks that have already had covid, why the heck do they care?

Iím inclined towards J&J because itís one and done...and Iím still not totally on board with the mRNA vaccines. ( Granted, Iím probably being a bit irrational. )

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I found out yesterday that the J&J vax is considered "live virus" (not sure that it really is?) but is not for those with auto-immune disorders, RA peeps taking auto-immune suppressant drugs i.e. Xeljans as an example.
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The adenovirus injects its nucleic acid payload into a cell. The DNA is transcribed into RNA which codes for the covid spike proteins.

Ones immune system then reacts creating antigens to the spike proteins.

Blood donors won't have any residual adenovirus, nucleic acid payload or RNA but may contain antigens to the spike proteins.

Yes, no RNA in J&J (my mistake) but you will get RNA and the same spike proteins which are know to cause brain damage.
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The adenovirus injects its nucleic acid payload into a cell. The DNA is transcribed into RNA which codes for the covid spike proteins.

Ones immune system then reacts creating antigens to the spike proteins.

Blood donors won't have any residual adenovirus, nucleic acid payload or RNA but may contain antigens to the spike proteins.

Yes, no RNA in J&J (my mistake) but you will get RNA and the same spike proteins which are know to cause brain damage.
I don't want a vaccine that causes brain damage.
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This is the one Iíve been waiting for.

I got the COVID end of June, so I figure this is about the time for a booster, haha!!
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Spikes and the brain.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...-heart-attacks

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Thank you, interesting and scary.

It sounds like the vaccine or the virus can cause the same thing right?

So take the vaccine and you have a 100% chance of spike protein risk, or don't take the vaccine you have a good chance of not having spike protein.
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I got the COVID end of June, so I figure this is about the time for a booster, haha!!
If you need a booster just get covid again, it is the natural booster from mother nature! (Or at least from a lab in wuhan...)
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Thank you, interesting and scary.

It sounds like the vaccine or the virus can cause the same thing right?

So take the vaccine and you have a 100% chance of spike protein risk, or don't take the vaccine you have a good chance of not having spike protein.
Interesting angle but not much to hang a hat on so far. Admittedly the viral infection is much better studied at the systemic level than the vaccination. Hard to compare dose levels but likely that mRNA injection produces much less and shorter-lived spike, and more localized, than viral infection. The infection produces noticeable neurologic effects in some proportion of people - dizziness, taste/smell derangement, delirium, muscle ache and fatigue - as well as reported cardiac and GI symptoms, that in many cases of severe disease - an outcome which is 100% absent so far in study vaccinees - are somewhat long-lasting. Has any of that been seen in vaccinees?

No study vaccinee has gotten severe Covid, or died. Given the clear contrast in clinical/symptomatic experience between those who get the virus and those who get the vaccine, isn't it clear which way to go if the presumption is that for most people it will eventually be one or the other?
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Emergency approval granted last week and my wife's school district is having a vaxx clinic tomorrow offering it. Kinda surprised how fast that happened.
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The J&J vaccine does NOT use mRNA technology. It is also less effective. But it doesnt need to be kept frozen. So it can be distributed at pharmacies and other locations without freezers or concern of temperature degradation.
THis and the single dose are the key to mass distribution.
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Discussion on the J&J on the talk radio this morning.
A little less effective but what does that mean?
They said the J&J reduces or eliminates moderate to severe symptoms in most cases.
OK, that sounds good but it also sounds like you can still get the virus with the J&J but it won't be as bad.
So is it a vaccine or a pre- treatment / remedy?
I think you can still get the virus with any of the three vaccines. Supposedly it just lessons the severity. Still have to keep your distance and wear those masks!
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I think you can still get the virus with any of the three vaccines. Supposedly it just lessons the severity. Still have to keep your distance and wear those masks!
And this is normal for vaccines. You can still get a virus with other vaccines like the flu for instance. But the bottom line is vaccines give you better protection than no vaccine. The purpose of the vaccine is to prepare your immune system for attack. Its kind of like being armed or unarmed should you be attacked walking down the street. Being armed might not prevent the attack but at least you have something to defend yourself with.
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Is a one shot J&J vaccine as effective as one shot of the Phfizer of Mordena vaccine?
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We don't know if JNJ vaccine is as effective as the mRNA vaccines because the JNJ was tested at a time when there were more variants of the virus. It may be that it is more effective against some variants than the mRNA vaccines.
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A little less effective but what does that mean?
They said the J&J reduces or eliminates moderate to severe symptoms in most cases.
OK, that sounds good but it also sounds like you can still get the virus with the J&J but it won't be as bad.
So is it a vaccine or a pre- treatment / remedy?
Jannsen reported that more symptoms were likely in the test group, but it kept 100% out of the hospital with severe disease/death. And you only need a single dose. It still needs to be refrigerated, but not at -80 like Pfizer and Moderna.
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i was vaccinated yesterday no line no wait at Pierce college. Took longer to wait in lot 15 minutes after shot then to sign in and get shot.
Wait, you mean people aren't waiting in line for hours to get this?

I'm shocked

Media and government better ramp up their efforts
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Emergency approval granted last week and my wife's school district is having a vaxx clinic tomorrow offering it. Kinda surprised how fast that happened.
Because not enough want it.

They'll eventually use money as a motivator... either by pay or penalty - either way, our money of course.
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So take the vaccine and you have a 100% chance of spike protein risk, or don't take the vaccine you have a good chance of not having spike protein.
That makes no sense. How does the virus have less of a chance compared to a lab knock-off?
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Is anyone working on a non mRNA vaccine?
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Is anyone working on a non mRNA vaccine?
A few. The J&J that just got approved isn't mRNA (but it is vectored DNA). Here's some info I just found on protein subunit vaccines, which are likely to be a little weaker.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rmv.2183
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Is anyone working on a non mRNA vaccine?
Oxford-AstraZeneca. Which is one the vaccines the UK is using (they are also using Pfizer and Moderna).
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ealth-55274833

Israel has vaccinated their entire population with the Pfizer vacc.
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