Ammo hoarders found their way to GPUs???

[yellowsulphur]

Originally Posted by crufflers

Anyone have any sources for RTX 3060, 3080 ?

The 3070 looks nice, my 2080ti met an unexpected demise.

[the86d]

From another thread here...

https://youtu.be/XfIibTBaoMM

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by the86d

From another thread here...

https://youtu.be/XfIibTBaoMM

Thanks... the 90HX sounds good depending on price. One less power connector than MSI 3090 triple fan units. 86 MH/s @ 320 W on Eth... RTX 3090's do 105 MH/s @ 335 W

Sounds like they will be a good deal if they do not have video output and they cost $1000 MSRP or so... and street price is not inflated. If availability is like everything else, it might not help much.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Man, I was not aware of any of this. It has been nearly 3 years since I bought my current rig. I went big on the GPU (1080 TI) IIRC. Hope that buys some time until the market stabilizes.

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano

Man, I was not aware of any of this. It has been nearly 3 years since I bought my current rig. I went big on the GPU (1080 TI) IIRC. Hope that buys some time until the market stabilizes.

I think you will be fine. I was running a regular GTX 1080 8 gig before. I have a RTX 3090 and that 1080 in this PC now and honestly the GTX 1080 was fine for me with games including the latest DOOM (Eternal)... maybe noticed a slow down in a couple games on max settings. Nothing can slow the new 24 gig card down but the extra power could be a waste for some gamers who are not on the bleeding edge of resolution and new games. The new non-TI 3060 12 gig is supposed to be significantly faster than the old 2080 TI... IIRC. So it might be worth it if the card is really $500 or whatever. I recall the 2080 TI were $900 when I was looking for them.

GPU are a pain or impossible to source right now. I had a chance to grab a 3080 in a on-sale whole PC system today... for $1700 and snoozed... and it is long gone now. I kind of wanted another gaming rig with the decent Ryzen 7 that was in there. Probably was a great deal but the market is nuts like ammo.

[MrBlazito]

Originally Posted by crufflers

I think you will be fine. I was running a regular GTX 1080 8 gig before. I have a RTX 3090 and that 1080 in this PC now and honestly the GTX 1080 was fine for me with games including the latest DOOM (Eternal)... maybe noticed a slow down in a couple games on max settings. Nothing can slow the new 24 gig card down but the extra power could be a waste for some gamers who are not on the bleeding edge of resolution and new games. The new non-TI 3060 12 gig is supposed to be significantly faster than the old 2080 TI... IIRC. So it might be worth it if the card is really $500 or whatever. I recall the 2080 TI were $900 when I was looking for them.

GPU are a pain or impossible to source right now. I had a chance to grab a 3080 in a on-sale whole PC system today... for $1700 and snoozed... and it is long gone now. I kind of wanted another gaming rig with the decent Ryzen 7 that was in there. Probably was a great deal but the market is nuts like ammo.

The non TI 3060's are supposed to retail @ $329. They will sell out quicker than PS5/Xbox's did.

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by MrBlazito

The non TI 3060's are supposed to retail @ $329. They will sell out quicker than PS5/Xbox's did.

Right... but you'll have to catch a drop. Even the "good guys" will probably mark up to $500. I see people selling my old 1080 card for $1000 - but it is IN STOCK so it must not sell that fast hahah. Crazy.

[MrBlazito]

anyone able to get the 3060 today? this whole thing is hilarious. it was so windy today that my power cut out for a split second at 8:58AM rebooting my modem right before the release. I had to use my mobile hotspot. I was back online at 9:01AM. newegg's search engine dropped dead at that point and kept returning zero results, all while the 3060's sold out. I was able to sign up for their shuffle thing though. hopefully i get a chance. bestbuy only had the $389 and up models that sold out in less than 2 minutes. Couldn't find any 3060's anywhere else.

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by MrBlazito

anyone able to get the 3060 today? this whole thing is hilarious. it was so windy today that my power cut out for a split second at 8:58AM rebooting my modem right before the release. I had to use my mobile hotspot. I was back online at 9:01AM. newegg's search engine dropped dead at that point and kept returning zero results, all while the 3060's sold out. I was able to sign up for their shuffle thing though. hopefully i get a chance. bestbuy only had the $389 and up models that sold out in less than 2 minutes. Couldn't find any 3060's anywhere else.

I kept getting notifications and nothing panned out... nothing from the New Egg shuffle either... every time I went to a link it was sold out. I saw some glimmers of hope on Best buy and New Egg today... but sites are hammered at check out.

[MrBlazito]

So after watching a few reviews, the 3060's turned out to be "meh" cards. Comparable to 2060's and slightly under 2060 super performance wise. If you got it @ $329 then it's OK. Anything over that, it's simply not worth it.

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by MrBlazito

So after watching a few reviews, the 3060's turned out to be "meh" cards. Comparable to 2060's and slightly under 2060 super performance wise. If you got it @ $329 then it's OK. Anything over that, it's simply not worth it.

Yeah. Under $3 a day for a new 3060 vs $8 on a 3080. A 3060 Ti makes $4.50

As far as crypto hash power, they are not great unless you are replacing 2 dozen 1060’s and you can get them all at once for $300 each.

A couple dozen could pull in 2k a month. ROI 4 months.

The new 3060 makes the 3080 look good.

[BananaKetchup]

Laptop just died yesterday. Cpus with a integrated graphics are so hard to find. Might bite the bullet and just get a mini pc.

[the86d]

Originally Posted by BananaKetchup

Laptop just died yesterday. Cpus with a integrated graphics are so hard to find. Might bite the bullet and just get a mini pc.

With a MiniPC you'll be stuck in the same boat with no GPU upgrades to speak of...

[Big bug]

Already have ammo anxiety....don't need GPU anxiety as well....thank GOD not a gamer or miner ....

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by BananaKetchup

Laptop just died yesterday. Cpus with a integrated graphics are so hard to find. Might bite the bullet and just get a mini pc.

I almost bought one of those i5 mini PC's recently for $200-$300 on a special just to mess around with it... Windows 10, SSD, decent CPU and memory specs... I bet they can do a lot. I used to have a HDMI Android device, and then a Lenovo Windows 10 HDMI PC (about the size of a fire TV)... the Lenovo could do a a lot of things a regular PC could do, but streaming video was just a bit choppy. The i5 and Ryzen based mini PC's are probably insane values for some users and much more useable on a 4K TV nowadays. IMHO. Only reason I didn't do it is I still have the Lenovo, a Nvidia Shield TV, and a 4k Roku.

FWIW, I have a PC that uses a 43" 4K TV as the only display and it looks pretty effing great with windows. Just a mining rig, so I do not sit there and use it for hours though.

[Cowboy T]

Originally Posted by BananaKetchup

Laptop just died yesterday. Cpus with a integrated graphics are so hard to find. Might bite the bullet and just get a mini pc.

Just built three mid-tower desktops, two AMD Ryzen 3200G systems and one Intel Core-Gen10 10100's. The Ryzen 3200G's and the Core 10100's both have integrated graphics, and either one is good stuff unless you're a really hard-core gamer or doing other heavy-duty 3D-rendering. My local Micro Center has the Core 10100's in stock and apparently has plenty of 'em, as they've been $99 for the past few weeks. The Core 10100F, without the integrated graphics, is $79.

A mini PC with either chip could be a good choice.

Originally Posted by the86d

With a MiniPC you'll be stuck in the same boat with no GPU upgrades to speak of...

Same applies to laptops, which is what the OP's looking to replace. With desktops, it's easy enough to just replace the video card. With laptops, that can be harder, unless all the manufacturers have now standardized around a particular PHY connector (have they? That would be really cool if they did.).

Graphics performance is good enough at this point that I wouldn't be too concerned with integrated graphics on either a mini PC or a laptop. Depends on what he's using the computer for. In another thread, I just described the refurbishing of an AMD Phenom II box for my neighbors. The graphics are 10 year old technology (Radeon 3000). But for what they're going to be using the computer for (office productivity and Web surfing), it continues to work really well. So, he should be fine for a long time with something even more current.

[sirgrumps]

Originally Posted by S.O.A.R.

For mining crypto maybe


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High end GPU’s have been in limited supplies for the last 8 or so years ever since someone figured out that they can crypto mine faster than CPU’s.

My CPA’s kid has been crypto mining for years and has 2 - 4 GPU setups to mine Bitcoin and Etherium. His electricity bills aren’t to bad as they use solar, but he basically paid for his house crypto mining.

[crufflers]

FWIW, I know those used i5 Lenovo laptops from Ebay are a pretty big hit. From certain sellers you can get absolutely BRAND NEW looking Dell desktops like the old "Dell Optiplex 9020 Small Form Business Desktop Tower PC (Intel Quad Core i7 4770, 16GB Ram, 240GB Brand New SSD, WIFI, Dual Monitor Support HDMI plus VGA, DVD-RW, WIFI) Win 10 Pro (Renewed)" and they run really well for $300. I think they are a great deal, and upgradeable. I recently got one for a dual monitor project and it was absolutely pristine like new and fast with a fresh SSD and Win10 PRO install.

MST

https://www.amazon.com/s?me=A14XJENM...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

[the86d]

Oh, and nothing wrong with Ammo hoarders, unless they are buying now...
They think ahead, and stack deep... deeper than those who didn't buy firearms years ago, a reloading press, or ammo to feed them BEFORE the panic... they can quote historical panics.

I actually hooked 2 people up with THOUSANDS of primers, myself, in barters/trades the last couple months, as I know my ammo/primer panic history...

Stack things DEEP BEFORE the lean-times, and when a panic hits, by two-steps ahead of those cats...

[five.five-six]

You’d think my NVDA would be doing better It’s only up about 25% over 6 months.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

I am in no hurry, I will just wait it out. Crypto crashed in 2018 and the market was flooded with pennies on the dollar graphics cards.

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaCowboy

I am in no hurry, I will just wait it out. Crypto crashed in 2018 and the market was flooded with pennies on the dollar graphics cards.

That's true. I wish I had all those GTX 1060's I sold for $150 now that some of mine are giving up being beat on 100% 24/7. It'll happen... and that's when miners need to be buying up GPU's for the next bull cycle too.

[crufflers]

I have a couple incoming finally after a lot of failed attempts, almost had its, emailing sales people, etc... AMD has some options. I almost got some Radeon PRO VII and W5700... which are supposed to be the pro line that gamers and miners overlook more than retail lines (60-90 MH/s)... but those sold out too. At least the batch I was looking at. Ended up grabbing a decent priced 3070 and ordered a 3080 locally but the price was kind of insane so I cancelled the order and ordered an entire MSI PC including a MSI RTX 3080 for about the same price I was going to pay for one bare RTX 3080 card. I can use the extra PC whether I strip the GPU out and downgrade it to a 1080 or not. Maybe the new one will replace the i5/RTX 3090/1080 I am on as my main PC. Good times.

[crufflers]

I got the RTX 3070 going. It is pretty good. A little faster than a 3060 Ti and a little faster than a RX 5700 XT I think. Almost exactly half the speed of a RTX 3090... 55 MH/s vs 110 MH/s

Decent card.

[HKAllTheThings]

Sorry bros...

[crufflers]

Very nice. That Intel 630 must be pulling down at least .02 a day? Hahah.

That's a nice rig of 3070's. 585 MH/s right

What power supplies are you running? I'm still running all Super Nova's... I have some backup and the cables to run two on one mobo, but right now I only need 850's... I think one of my rigs with 6 GPU's and one 3090 is using about 765 W. The PC I am on has another 3090... scored one more 3070 last night. My random collection of 30's will be five when the incoming cards get here. 24 GPU's total.

PM me a source of 3070's

[MrBlazito]

Has anyone won this newegg shuffle shiet? I see people on reddit gloating about winning 3-4 times in a row, while others can't win once. Might have to actually program a damn bot.

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by MrBlazito

Has anyone won this newegg shuffle shiet? I see people on reddit gloating about winning 3-4 times in a row, while others can't win once. Might have to actually program a damn bot.

I did it once so far and I wasn't selected.

[high_revs]

still looking here! not sure how, co-workers in AL said they found some locally. one person bought another's 3060ti for retail price but it's used! ugggh. can't see myself doing that.

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by high_revs

still looking here! not sure how, co-workers in AL said they found some locally. one person bought another's 3060ti for retail price but it's used! ugggh. can't see myself doing that.

Yeah you want scary, check out Craig's List for gpu's hahah. Scammers.

Ebay and Amazon seems pretty good if you just have to get one now. I target auctions and OBO's... sniped one, and I won a couple offers on 3070's.

If you want a Best Buy price you have to find it in stock at Best Buy. If you see a pre-order, that's probably a good idea too. Lots of pre-orders on MSRP priced whole systems. Also there are a ton of cheap gaming rigs on sale on EBAY that do not have a GPU hahah.

[HKAllTheThings]

Originally Posted by crufflers

Very nice. That Intel 630 must be pulling down at least .02 a day? Hahah.

That's a nice rig of 3070's. 585 MH/s right

What power supplies are you running? I'm still running all Super Nova's... I have some backup and the cables to run two on one mobo, but right now I only need 850's... I think one of my rigs with 6 GPU's and one 3090 is using about 765 W. The PC I am on has another 3090... scored one more 3070 last night. My random collection of 30's will be five when the incoming cards get here. 24 GPU's total.

PM me a source of 3070's

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by HKAllTheThings

Nice. That's wider than my steel frames but similar. They make great space heaters. A couple of mine might move to the garage.

I have four and one frame still in the box in case I needed another one... from years ago. Two not used right now because one I stripped down and put the mobo in my gaming PC which has become a rig with cards sitting outside it (tower case).

I have four 3070's incoming now and one running. I got one yesterday for $960 which is about as good as you can do on EBAY hahah.

[crufflers]

All eight are running rock solid on an 850 - EVGA make great PS. Of course they are only 1060's hahah. 182 MH/s or so. All MSI - that helps.

The four incoming 3070's will push 240 Mh/s I'm sure... and the 3080 is about 80 Mh/s IIRC. Hopefully mining is good to go for a while. But who knows.

These puppies are 235 Mh/s on their own (for the pair)


The rig frames I have are the same width as these... and I have four of these too. They will save a lot of issues. Case fans don't do much, but I have those too.

[high_revs]

[QUOTE=crufflers;25524167

If you want a Best Buy price you have to find it in stock at Best Buy. If you see a pre-order, that's probably a good idea too. Lots of pre-orders on MSRP priced whole systems. Also there are a ton of cheap gaming rigs on sale on EBAY that do not have a GPU hahah.[/QUOTE]

no pre-purchase.. i check regularly on BB, adorama, newegg (newegg seller only) and bhphoto. gave up on amazon as amazon isn't listing any directly sold by them and are sold by amazon sellers with scalper prices. really kicking myself for not buying my stuff last oct or even bf2020 (the mobo i wanted wans't available or $100 more).

the youtube channels that post where one is available aren't pretty reliable. i ran those youtube vids for almost a weeek and keep clicking when a one supposedly arises. many are amazon at scalper prices.

guess keep surfin daily! ok to wait here. contributing to starving the beast (if even possible). like the 2a classifies for outrageous pistol prices.

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by high_revs

no pre-purchase.. guess keep surfin daily! ok to wait here. contributing to starving the beast (if even possible). like the 2a classifies for outrageous pistol prices.

I honestly have not ever seen anything on BB yet.

The photo place does have pre-orders on some items, including whole gaming systems containing those RTX cards... so that's an option for some people.

I know if I was looking for a while with no luck, and I had not purchased the mobo, ps, mem, ssd, etc... I would really consider getting an MSI PC or similar.

For $1600 - $2400 (with 3070 or 3080)... I'd hit it. Those are normal prices with large SSD, larger HD, 16 or 32 gig ram and a decent i7/i9/AMD.

I saw a few 3070 systems today in stock for $1600... from what I can tell the 3070 is a great card (or I would not have bought five - optimized it is more efficient than the 3090 for power and runs at 60 MH/s no problems)... if I was just gaming, I would be fine with a 3070 and not worry about the 3090... IMHO. Scalper prices on the 3090 have gone from about $2300 to $3500 AFAIK. Lame.

[Jorvaljr]

Originally Posted by BananaKetchup

Laptop just died yesterday. Cpus with a integrated graphics are so hard to find. Might bite the bullet and just get a mini pc.

I just built a couple of mini pcs. Asrock makes a barebones unit. Amd X300. Its about $160 included wifi. Find a used 2200g, 2400g, 3200g, 3400g from $50-$100. 16gb laptop ram for about $50-$60 and upto 2 - m.2 NVME and 2 -2.5” ssd/hdd. Gaming can be done. I play warzone with my son and i get 30-60fps on low settings. Put a whole pc for under $400 if you work it right. Mine has a 3400g my wife has the 3200g. I just sold an intel one with a pentium. Good little pcs that take up a fraction of the room and run as good as any prebuilt pc by dell or hp for the price.


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[crufflers]

My goal was 1000 MH... but sitting at 855 right now with new 3070's installed and chugging at 60 MH and one 3080 PC pending on pre-order (who knows when it ships), I am not buying any more.

If supply catches up maybe I will build one more 6x GPU rig.

[the86d]

......

[crufflers]

Maybe someone way more into mining can explain ASIC's? Asic miners could replace GPU's for miners and then the problem with "hoarding GPU's" could be mitigated right?

I watched a Red Panda Mining video where he tested a ASIC miner and it was pulling 3000 watt or more and he only earned $18 of BTC or so in 24 hours. That is not worth it.

With a mix of old not-too-efficient GPU's and decently efficient 30 series Nvidia's... 2800 watt should be about 1000 MH/s Eth and about $80 - $100 a day.


I think three 3060Ti or 3070 would earn $18 at about 340 watt total on Eth.

Am I missing something?

[crufflers]

Best Buy is ruled by Tamper Monkey cart scripts.