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Old 01-19-2022, 12:53 PM
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So the new version of the Mossberg shockwave is supposed to do the mini shells with no problems and no need for that rubber adapter that doesn't engender a whole lot of confidence? Can the old version be upgraded? If so, what parts are needed?
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Opsol, 18 bucks.

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Good luck finding mini shells.

Everywhere I've looked, they (Aguila and Federal) are out of stock.
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Opsol, 18 bucks.


Have one ... but a rubber do-hicky that can fall out? It doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence. Please tell me of your experiences.
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Don't have one. Has it ever fallen out?
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Don't have one. Has it ever fallen out?

I lead a rather intense life. So I have not had a chance to test rubber thing. I'm just saying with the force involved the sight of the device left me nervous. That said I'm open to honest discussion regarding success obtained by others ... though I will still proceed with caution. The discharge of a shotgun carries a lot of force. I have no desire to gamble. My ship has docked and intend to do my best to enjoy it.
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I remain dubious about mini shells and the adapter in regard to any HD applications.

Range use? Go ahead and play through.
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So can ANYONE describe the modification made by Mosberg in the new Shockwave???? Can I make the modification with new parts or does it require machining??? They are apparently confident that it works.
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Good luck finding mini shells.

Everywhere I've looked, they (Aguila and Federal) are out of stock.



Back in the day there were sales (just sayin). But even now I understand they can be created via handload procedures.
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I just want something I can depend on with my life. Maybe it's the new Smith & Wesson. I just don't know. But I need to know.
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So can ANYONE describe the modification made by Mosberg in the new Shockwave???? Can I make the modification with new parts or does it require machining??? They are apparently confident that it works.
The Mossberg 590S differs in that it has a newly designed bolt, trigger group, and shell elevator. All of which were redesigned so that it can reliably utilize shells of 1 3/4" to 3" without any needing to do any adjustments/modifications to switch between the shell lengths.

AFAIK...
The bolt was redesigned to incorporate new cam surfaces to interact with the newly designed shell elevator.
The trigger group was redesigned to incorporate a new part that keeps shells oriented/aligned in the correct direction.
The shell elevator was redesigned to reliable feed/lift the shells of different lengths.
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The Mossberg 590S differs in that it has a newly designed bolt, trigger group, and shell elevator. All of which were redesigned so that it can reliably utilize shells of 1 3/4" to 3" without any needing to do any adjustments/modifications to switch between the shell lengths.

AFAIK...
The bolt was redesigned to incorporate new cam surfaces to interact with the newly designed shell elevator.
The trigger group was redesigned to incorporate a new part that keeps shells oriented/aligned in the correct direction.
The shell elevator was redesigned to reliable feed/lift the shells of different lengths.

You are likely smarter than I am, but it sounds like I need to buy the new unit to achieve my objective. Mini shells make sense to me on this type of weapon. Actually that's why I bought it. So I may have to sell or give the old unit to someone else.


My neighbor is not a gun guy. Maybe he's the one.
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It sucks when they come out with new things that are better than the old. My parents grew up in the Great Depression and never let me forget. Hard to get rid of things, but I must because I have too much stuff.
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I just want something I can depend on with my life. Maybe it's the new Smith & Wesson. I just don't know. But I need to know.
S&W issued a recall for cracking barrels and receivers right out of the gate. That checked it off of my "defending my life" list. I picked up the Beretta 1301 Tactical instead for that task. YMMV.

I'm still interested in the Smith as I love S&W guns, it's a cool and interesting shotgun and I may get one still. But it'll be a range toy until I put at least a thousand rounds through it and make sure that it's truly dependable. Not sure about the bullpup design though. I've shot a few and the triggers always suck (not that big of a deal on a HD shotgun) but the OAL and capacity are intriguing.
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You are likely smarter than I am, but it sounds like I need to buy the new unit to achieve my objective. Mini shells make sense to me on this type of weapon. Actually that's why I bought it. So I may have to sell or give the old unit to someone else.


My neighbor is not a gun guy. Maybe he's the one.
The real question is, where are you going to get your hands on Mini Shells in 2022? They're made of unobtanium for the past year to year and a half from what I've seen.
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The real question is, where are you going to get your hands on Mini Shells in 2022? They're made of unobtanium for the past year to year and a half from what I've seen.

There were sales before SHTF. Sometimes it makes sense to be prepared.
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PSSSSSSST.................

No buck or slug but....

Target Sports has a pile of Aguila Minishells in stock as I type this!

Good Luck!

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/agui...7-p-58961.aspx
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PSSSSSSST.................

No buck or slug but....

Target Sports has a pile of Aguila Minishells in stock as I type this!

Good Luck!

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/agui...7-p-58961.aspx
Do we know if the Mini-Shells will work in a REM. 1100 12ga.?
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That new S&W bull pup in the latest American Rifleman apparently has no problems with the minis.
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Good luck finding mini shells.

Everywhere I've looked, they (Aguila and Federal) are out of stock.
even when available they were double the cost too..
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Right on. Good stuff. I thought this was Dan Bilzerian for a second.
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Like organized crime and that sort?
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Do we know if the Mini-Shells will work in a REM. 1100 12ga.?
I have no clue. Hopefully somebody else in this thread can advise.
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You are likely smarter than I am, but it sounds like I need to buy the new unit to achieve my objective. Mini shells make sense to me on this type of weapon. Actually that's why I bought it. So I may have to sell or give the old unit to someone else.


My neighbor is not a gun guy. Maybe he's the one.
That is by far the easiest route. You're not going to lose much selling the old one. Probably less than the parts would cost you if you were able to buy them.

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I figured you for the mayor or something. I thought kalis couldn't buy the Shockwave.

P.S. You know the minis are down on power somewhat, right?
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Good luck finding mini shells.

Everywhere I've looked, they (Aguila and Federal) are out of stock.
Turners in Palm Desert had two types of Aguilar mini shells in abundance as of a few days ago if you wanna make the commute from SB County.
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PSSSSSSST...No buck or slug but....

Target Sports has a pile of Aguila Minishells in stock as I type thishttps://www.targetsportsusa.com/agui...7-p-58961.aspx
7 1/2's aren't the go to for HD. I doubt those are the droids he's looking for.
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That new S&W bull pup in the latest American Rifleman apparently has no problems with the minis.

That's what they say and they've fixed the problem with barrels cracking too. It may be a sensible option.
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There were sales before SHTF. Sometimes it makes sense to be prepared.
Nice.

I prepped on all of my other calibers/ammo styles but didn't own a Mini shotshell capable gun so I ignored them. Now I wish I hadn't but at least I have plenty of regular shotshells.
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Do we know if the Mini-Shells will work in a REM. 1100 12ga.?
I can't answer that question, but I can tell you they will work in the Winchester Defender 1300 without modifications. I have a Defender on bedside duty and another 1300 I am going to cut down if I ever get around to it. Aside from minishell capability, they have the slickest action of any pump I've seen.

Not sure how OP gets a Shockwave in California unless he means the 18 inch version. If that is what you have in mind, get a Defender and put a bird's head grip on it. I would much rather go with a design that's been proven over 60+ years than a brand new bullpup that is already reporting problems.
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Back in the day there were sales (just sayin). But even now I understand they can be created via handload procedures.
Yup and the best part is that you get to trim the donor shell leaving a nice fresh edge to make that perfect roll crimp.

I had just gotten into casting all the different slugs and testing my own short shells when I decided to pack up and move. I did enough work to say that it's not that hard to get decent results.

Shotshells are the cheapest as easiest munition to reload for me. I use a sizing ring, primer punch, primer pocket resizing punch, and do the roll crimp on a drill press. I use my scale & powder measure from my metallic cartridge loading
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Yup and the best part is that you get to trim the donor shell leaving a nice fresh edge to make that perfect roll crimp.

I had just gotten into casting all the different slugs and testing my own short shells when I decided to pack up and move. I did enough work to say that it's not that hard to get decent results.

Shotshells are the cheapest as easiest munition to reload for me. I use a sizing ring, primer punch, primer pocket resizing punch, and do the roll crimp on a drill press. I use my scale & powder measure from my metallic cartridge loading

I lack the roll crimp tool. They are available on Ebay, but those come from Russia and there is about a month delay. Given the current situation it may be years before they arrive, if ever. I might be able to make my own, but that's a whole new project.
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I lack the roll crimp tool. They are available on Ebay, but those come from Russia and there is about a month delay. Given the current situation it may be years before they arrive, if ever. I might be able to make my own, but that's a whole new project.
Just order one from an American company, it doesn't have to be Russian.

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If this is for self preservation, just stick to real shotshells.
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FWIW, the latest Turners flyer has the Aguila and Federal Minis on "special" (still outrageously expensive) but they did have both the slugs and the buck in many of their stores. I've read a review or two from gun writers who are much more knowledgable than I am about shotgun ballistics and they are of the thought that the Minis have the perfect ballistics for in-home, short range HD, fast enough to take down bad guys but slower than 2.75" or 3" shells obviously. Everyone seems to like that higher capacity too for HD!

Unfortunately my 1301 won't work with them, the only guns I have that would are single shot and O/U trap guns, not very practical for HD.
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If this is for self preservation, just stick to real shotshells.

But what if it's the wife who has to shoot. I need to consider that as well. We're both in our 70's.
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https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!c=140

Thanks again!!! Ordered and on the way!
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But what if it's the wife who has to shoot. I need to consider that as well. We're both in our 70's.
She'll have won or be dead before the mag's empty.
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