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Old 03-24-2019, 11:09 PM
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Hellscape 2021: Why a Second Loss to Trump Could Produce an Existential Crisis for Democrats

Now that it appears Donald Trump may escape any immediate legal consequences from the Mueller investigation, itís time to take a fresh look at the trajectory of his presidency.

Before November 2016, there wasnít a lot of agonized writing from the left of center about the consequences of a Trump victory, for the obvious reason that few observers thought it was a plausible scenario ... But nobody saw much of a need for game-planning his administration in any detail.

We certainly know It Can Indeed Happen Here, and those who assumed Mueller would bring Trump down prematurely should check their premises. Itís time as to consider what a second Trump term might be like. Here are some educated guesses of what it could entail:

1. The Courts Shift Radically to the Right

Trump has already had a profound effect on the present and future shape of the federal judiciary ó which in turn shapes constitutional, statutory, and common law ó thanks to a highly ideological judicial vetting and selection process and the willingness of a Republican-controlled Senate to rubber-stamp most nominees. ...

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The Trump-McConnell strategy is designed to pack the courts quickly, in case Democrats come back into power in 2020. But if Trump gets a second term, and particularly if Republicans hold the Senate (which is very likely in any scenario in which Trump wins), prospects increase that this president will cast a very, very long shadow over the judiciary for decades to come.

And that could happen most decisively at the top of the federal judiciary, in the U.S. Supreme Court. ... Replacing Kennedy with Brett Kavanaugh will produce a shift to the right on many issues, probably including reproductive rights. But in a second Trump term, the odds of court liberals Ruth Bader Ginsburg (who will turn 87 next year) and Stephen Breyer (who will be 81 in 2020) hanging on until the next Democratic administration will go down significantly. One more flip of a liberal seat on the court could produce a landmark conservative era in constitutional law, almost certainly including the reversal or significant modification of Roe v. Wade and other key precedents, not to mention a decisive new era of sympathy for corporations, reactionary state governments, nativists, vote suppressors, and foes of civil liberties.
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Interesting viewpoint.

I think it is a little overblown. For instance, I'm not sure Roe v Wade would get touched - there has arguably been some room for state modification all along. I'd also note that the conservatives seem to have more respect for stare decisis whereas the fascists tend to only invoke it when it suits them.

There is more stability when the judiciary is populated by originalists because they are likely to interpret the law as originally intended. The fascists tend to view things as open to be legislated by the judiciary and are thus more likely to change things when they are in control.

So I'd contend that a Trump-appointed judiciary is not likely to cause societal upheaval. A Hillary/Beta-man/Kamala/Bernie judiciary would be devoted to changing/disrupting our society.
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I think it is a little overblown. For instance, I'm not sure Roe v Wade would get touched -
Scalia said Roe has already been "repealed" -- they did that with Casey, which replaced the trimester system with the current "undue burden" standard. Whatever the case, I could see it getting overturned; it's a crappy decision which embarrasses the Court by it's mere existence.

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Exactly, and this is the real issue. Progtards, being the zealots that they are, don't want the truth, they want, like spoiled children, whatever they want at the moment, and society, in their eyes, should bend over backwards to give them, whatever that may be. Preventing them via originalism leads to more stability -- society reflects democratic choice rather than temper tantrums of petulant children in urban areas, but it also leads to more flexibility, believe it or not. Stability and flexibility? Am I crazy? You decide:

Again to Scalia paraphrasing, but Scalia showed how what the progtards want is the exact opposite of flexibility and change. They want to rigidify and to ossify their beliefs in stone by requiring the Court to lie, and pretend the Constitution contains whatever they want it to contain.

Because if whatever you want is in the Constitution, then it cannot be changed, it's cast in the strongest cement that can be found in a system such as ours. But originalism offers true flexibility, by being honest. No, a right to abortion is not in the Constitution says originalism, but neither does the Constitution forbid it. It's left up to democratic choice, as most things must be in a system meant to survive the test of time.

Same with the death penalty. Yes, the death penalty is Constitutional, says originalism, but that doesn't mean it's required, if you don't want it then pass a law and get rid of it. Changed your mind? Then repeal the law. That is true flexibility, and that's what will enable our system to survive while other nations come and go throughout the centuries.

By pretending that everything they want is required by the Constitution, and everything they hate is forbidden by the Constitution, the progtards make our system stiff and brittle, and doomed to early failure.
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OleCuss nailed it.
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And the problem is, what?
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That was such a wonderful story, I read it twice. We really really need a Trump win.
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I'm in Favor of section 7 of the Article:


" 7. The Democratic Party, As We Know It, Dies "



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The Dem powers to be will secretly get China and other communist nations to interfere in the elections. They will resort to anything now.
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The "Hellscape" will come if Trump is defeated, if they (The New Democrat Bolsheviks) manage to do that- they will take our Republic down the Caracas rabbit hole. As sure as the sun.

They will take the nation to "socialist paradise"-

With all the poverty, slavery, starvation and destruction that is down there- south of the border and plain as hell to see. If you bother to wake up and look.

They will stop at nothing in 2020 and will ally with the Chinese and the Russians to defeat him. The same as the evil fat bat did with her fake anti Trump-- Russian and British spy, fake news dossier. Only worse. The Chinese and the Russians had their way every time- with Obama and Fat Bat, and will go for more of the same by backing another new Democrat tool

The Mueller investigation exposed the fact that there was no Trump collusion but plenty of evil fat bat, Obama and DNC collusion. A mere bump in the road for the Neo- Communist DNC Borg. They are hell bent on the destruction of our Republic.

They will stop at nothing- Bolsheviks stop at nothing in politics. I hate to see it but I think they will win. There are to many brain dead, brain washed young people- who buy into the Democrats Communist/Socialist bull chit.

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This is the quiet dread before the wailing. They know what’s coming and it won’t be good. Even Adam Winkler says so!

This article is nothing, nothing compared to what will happen once SCOTUS rules on the NYC transport case.

And if you think that’s delicious, wait until Trump is re-elected.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eful-hoax.html

And that’s from Piers Morgan.



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Just imagine, for a moment, how much farther ahead and better off we'd be as a country, if the other side put even HALF as much effort into solving our countries problems as they put into their anti-Trump efforts.
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This is the quiet dread before the wailing. They know whatís coming and it wonít be good. Even Adam Winkler says so!

This article is nothing, nothing compared to what will happen once SCOTUS rules on the NYC transport case.

And if you think thatís delicious, wait until Trump is re-elected.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eful-hoax.html

And thatís from Piers Morgan.



I canít wait.
Never thought I'd agree with piers on anything. A broken clock is right this time.
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Seems like I recall the left screaming something like #4 about Reagan and the Military buildup of the 80s...
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There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth when Trump winns again in 2020...

We have seen the sore losers b4.

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Interesting viewpoint.

I think it is a little overblown. For instance, I'm not sure Roe v Wade would get touched - there has arguably been some room for state modification all along. I'd also note that the conservatives seem to have more respect for stare decisis whereas the fascists tend to only invoke it when it suits them.

There is more stability when the judiciary is populated by originalists because they are likely to interpret the law as originally intended. The fascists tend to view things as open to be legislated by the judiciary and are thus more likely to change things when they are in control.

So I'd contend that a Trump-appointed judiciary is not likely to cause societal upheaval. A Hillary/Beta-man/Kamala/Bernie judiciary would be devoted to changing/disrupting our society.

I was wondering why the dems were freaking out about Roe v. Wade during Kavanaugh's confirmation.

I'd still like to know / understand the strategic thinking behind it; they are playing some sort of long game.

That said; NY just legalized literal infanticide and VA (W.VA?) proposed a bill doing the same.

I'm officially done with the pro-murder side; they can all go to hell and Roe v. Wade needs to be relegated to the dustbin of history along with slavery, lobotomies and other eugenic abominations.
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They sure are banging the Roe vs Wade drum.
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delusional author is delusional

Got a lot of strategy packed in with no evidence 'far right' is a thing or bad.
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I was wondering why the dems were freaking out about Roe v. Wade during Kavanaugh's confirmation.

I'd still like to know / understand the strategic thinking behind it; they are playing some sort of long game.

That said; NY just legalized literal infanticide and VA (W.VA?) proposed a bill doing the same.

I'm officially done with the pro-murder side; they can all go to hell and Roe v. Wade needs to be relegated to the dustbin of history along with slavery, lobotomies and other eugenic abominations.
fear mongering, for its own sake, has been a thing.

'it can happen here' et cetera references to fascist take over...
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fear mongering, for its own sake, has been a thing.

'it can happen here' et cetera references to fascist take over...
But my anti gun co workers tell me I don't need guns for the common defense because it can never "happen here"...

Which is it???
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There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth when Trump winns again in 2020...

We have seen the sore losers b4.

F em

When Trump wins, whatís Left will curl up and die because they canít handle it!
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That's ok with me. I suffered thru the Barry years.
We're still suffering in CA with White Barry aka Newsom
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There will be voter turnout like never before in good and bad ways. Didnt OC get over 100% voter turnout in 2018 midterms no wonder why they lost some seats...
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Anybody wondering why we voted for, and continue to support, Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America, needs to re-read that article until some knowledge begins to appear. This wasn't about the presidency, this was always about the future of our nation.
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This is why I hope SCOTUS keeps pushing off abortion cases until trump is re-elected. A 6-3 or 7-2 SCOTUS would set this country in the right direction. A lot of social policy revolves around SCOTUS decisions. SCOTUS does not do anything too contrary to public opinion though. You want to kill liberal ideology? Require a constitutional convention for their policies to override SCOTUS decisions. It will be nearly impossible.
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So sick of RvW

If it was struck down it would just revert to a states right deal.. where it should have been all along.

So if you like killing 9 month old babies then live in NY or CA.. if you hate any type of abortion live in Utah..

It's really not complicated.
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This is the quiet dread before the wailing. They know whatís coming and it wonít be good. Even Adam Winkler says so!

This article is nothing, nothing compared to what will happen once SCOTUS rules on the NYC transport case.

And if you think thatís delicious, wait until Trump is re-elected.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eful-hoax.html

And thatís from Piers Morgan.



I canít wait.
This coming from Piers Morgan ....... I am pleasantly surprised. No doubt he has been crossed off many lefties Christmas card lists.

Looking at the comments ...... The lefties are seething with rage. They prove once again that they simply cannot deal with reality, and continue to flog the dead horse of collusion delusion. Of course, they continue to ignore salient points, such as the source of the dossier, who paid for it and ran to the FBI with it, the way the FBI didn't bother to verify the content and lied to the FISA judge, etc.
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This is the quiet dread before the wailing. They know whatís coming and it wonít be good. Even Adam Winkler says so!

Ohhhhh reallllyyyyy.......can you please post what Winkler wrote??

Did he cry endlessly into his pillow about the mag ruling???

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So sick of RvW

If it was struck down it would just revert to a states right deal.. where it should have been all along.

So if you like killing 9 month old babies then live in NY or CA.. if you hate any type of abortion live in Utah..

It's really not complicated.

Kind of sort of agree with you on the states rights, but at the same time; if a state wanted to legalize slavery or rape, should they be free to do so?

We need a constitutional amendment or something stating that life begins at conception and ending that life prematurely is murder.

(Don't talk to me about the 0.05% of cases where there is any actual medical reason to early term a pregnancy for the mother's health)
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This coming from Piers Morgan ....... I am pleasantly surprised. No doubt he has been crossed off many lefties Christmas card lists.

Looking at the comments ...... The lefties are seething with rage. They prove once again that they simply cannot deal with reality, and continue to flog the dead horse of collusion delusion. Of course, they continue to ignore salient points, such as the source of the dossier, who paid for it and ran to the FBI with it, the way the FBI didn't bother to verify the content and lied to the FISA judge, etc.
When Piers Morgan is the voice of reason, we have passed the event horizon and are fully in the wormhole.
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Originally Posted by njineermike View Post
When Piers Morgan is the voice of reason, we have passed the event horizon and are fully in the wormhole.
I follow him on twitter and he's been woke for a while now. I don't agree with him on everything, but he's definitely exposed the dems for who they are and catches a lot of flak for it.
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