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Old 08-11-2021, 6:03 PM
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Default Why Larry Elder is the ONLY candidate for gun owners in the recall election..

Larry Elder, 69, grew up in South Central Los Angeles with a father who served in World War II and ran his own restaurant, a mother who worked for what is now known as the U.S. Department of Defense (then the U.S. Department of War), and two brothers. He studied political science at Brown University in Rhode Island before earning a law degree from the University of Michigan.

In deep blue California, some of Elder’s views sit far outside where most residents stand. But in a recall race with more than 40 candidates, Elder, a registered Republican, will just need to beat out the other contenders, not win a majority, to become the next governor. Elder has argued that racism isn’t a serious threat to the upward mobility of Black Americans. In his 2000 book The Ten Things You Can’t Say in America, he proposes eliminating the IRS, ending welfare and getting rid of gun regulations.




On gun control, Faulconer differs from other candidates. He’s OK with California’s tight restrictions and doesn’t want to weaken or strengthen them. Elder sounds like the National Rifle Assn., contending: “All they do is tie the hands of law-abiding citizens.

Elder on Gun Control:

"This battle for 'common-sense' gun control laws pits emotion and passion against logic and reason. All too often in such a contest, logic loses. So, expect more meaningless, if not harmful, 'gun control' legislation. Good news - if you're a crook."---- Larry ELder

https://www.ocregister.com/2012/07/3...-self-defense/

https://www.tribdem.com/news/editori...b35545c06.html

https://larryelder.com/column/wheres...ense-gun-laws/

https://www.investors.com/politics/c...m-larry-elder/

https://www.creators.com/read/larry-...ntrollers-care

https://www.dailynews.com/2012/04/20...to-fear-obama/

https://www.azquotes.com/author/4419-Larry_Elder

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/l...gun-crime-data

Larry Elder on the root cause of urban homicide...

https://www.tribdem.com/news/editori...2ac24d182.html

Interviews with Larry Elder on Prauger UNiverity website: https://www.prageru.com/search/?quer...5D%5Bpage%5D=1
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Old 08-11-2021, 8:16 PM
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Yeah, Faulconer sucks in many ways. His positions on most issues are those of the typical moderate Democrat.

From what I understand, a lot of the CA GOP establishment view Faulconer and those like him as the future of the party.
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I agree, Larry Elder for the win.

-Name recognition
-I'm not for identity politics but who do might like that he's naturally tanned
- make the left's heads explode contending with a black conservative
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I was glad to hear it when Larry Elder joined the race. I listen ti his talk show and really like his lean in things. So far, it looks like I will vote for Larry and for the recall.

I just hope enough conservatives step out to vote and that Union members grow enough cajones to demand their union to stand down on Newsom support and actually vote their conscience as opposed to the union gravey line.
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Kevin Kiley is another good alternative!
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Kevin Kiley is another good alternative!
The gun community really needs to coalesce around ONE candidate...splitting the vote is never a good idea... just look at the loss of control of the US senate to the democrats because of the selfishness of libertarian Senate candidates in Georgia.

Without the libertarian candidates in the Georgia Senate races, one of the Republican Senate candidates would have won if not BOTH and NONE of the SIGNIFICANT damage done to the country by Biden and the democrats would have been able to happen!
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- make the left's heads explode contending with a black conservative
Not really. They just call him Uncle Tom and then attack him for being a "black pawn" for the racist right wingers.
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First off Denver Stoner is the only candidate that I've seen that says "I am pro-gun, pro-second amendment."
https://ballotpedia.org/Denver_Stoner

So to say that Elder is the only candidate for gun owner is 100% false.

However, Stoner is a little fish and will flail in Sacramento. So he's not a good vote and would be worse the Arnold.

As for Elder, he has the race card and the "south central" story, hands down no questions, and I whole heartedly applaud him on his success. However, in reality he is a radio host and arm chair politician. The reason Elder is leading the polls is because - wait for it - he has his own show. Like duh, don't be a sheep.

Also, as an older guy myself, I hate say it but Elder is to ... elder (old). Why is that we find the oldest dude in the bunch to pick as our leader. Is it because he is wiser or he says what you want? Again, Don't be a sheep.

Like it or not a younger candidate (40-50ish) still has some good years on them and they are at the top of their game. Any younger doesn't have a clue and older candidates are looking for a retirement package.

In the end Elder want's to be in the spotlight and doesn't give a crap about you, your guns or your personal beliefs. For the 3rd time, Don't be a sheep.

Looking at the cast of characters in the recall, there isn't much to choose from.

Even though Faulconer is not the extreme candidate, he might be the right candidate. He took a neutral stance on safe storage to remain in office. He knows how to play the game. Doesn't want to be the black sheep.

This is a long fight, very long (like this post), and it's not just about the 2nd amendment. The fact is we have been loosing this fight for a long time, longer than most people reading this has been around.

The first thing when your loosing is is to stop the bleeding, Faulconer can do that. Opposed to Elder who want's to start another fight. Which means when he won't get much done and what is changed will be out and the next "Blue Governor" overturns everything with an "executive order". If you think it's messy now, wait until Elder looses or dies.

My best advice is to play the long game and realize that change happens slowly. It took us 25+ years to get here because no one stood up. They don't stand up because the get shouted down.

The other part is, I've heard it said many times that California has more guns than Texas. Yet none of the gun owners actually do their part. Most non active gun owners, think it doesn't affect me so why do I care? It's just the Mall Ninjas and the crazies loosing their guns.
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  • Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist.
  • Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out —because I was not a Jew.
  • Then they came for me —and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Martin Niemöller, a Lutheran minister and early Nazi supporter who was later imprisoned for opposing Hitler's regime. You can bet the EVERY democrat in Sac has no idea what the party is doing yet. Many will never know and none of them will oppose it.

Sleepy Joe is in whitehouse and brought Kamilla with him, because they don't talk back. They are sheep.
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In the end Elder wants to be in the spotlight and doesn't give a crap about you, your guns or your personal beliefs.
This exactly. Just another politician.
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...In the end Elder want's to be in the spotlight and doesn't give a crap about you, your guns or your personal beliefs. For the 3rd time, Don't be a sheep.

Looking at the cast of characters in the recall, there isn't much to choose from...
Such has been my contention all along. As I've said, it's still not about voting FOR someone so much as it is about voting AGAINST someone. Unfortunately, that's the reality we're being confronted with... again. It's a major part of why I've also said that Elder is unlikely to win a 'following' among true conservatives. But, as has been asked in virtually every election, what other choice(s) do we have?
  • We can keep Newsom.
  • We can vote to oust Newsom and cast a vote for someone besides Elder (all other choices being in single digits in polls).
  • We can vote to oust Newsom, vote for Elder as he is the only one demonstrating an ability to win.
  • We can not vote and, likely, be stuck with Newsom.
Those seem to be the only options in terms of what we CAN do. Realistically, however, there only seems to be one option if you want change (no matter how marginal) and/or are concerned over what Newsom is bound to do if he survives the Recall. At this point, I don't think it's so much about preference beyond ousting Newsom. I think it has to be about ousting Newsom and putting someone in who CAN win. Then, on the next go 'round, we can talk about preferences and how Democrats severely outnumber Republicans in this State, leaving us, once again, with voting AGAINST someone rather than FOR them.

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Larry Elder, 69, grew up in South Central Los Angeles with a father who served in World War II and ran his own restaurant, a mother who worked for what is now known as the U.S. Department of Defense (then the U.S. Department of War), and two brothers. He studied political science at Brown University in Rhode Island before earning a law degree from the University of Michigan.

In deep blue California, some of Elder’s views sit far outside where most residents stand. But in a recall race with more than 40 candidates, Elder, a registered Republican, will just need to beat out the other contenders, not win a majority, to become the next governor. Elder has argued that racism isn’t a serious threat to the upward mobility of Black Americans. In his 2000 book The Ten Things You Can’t Say in America, he proposes eliminating the IRS, ending welfare and getting rid of gun regulations.




On gun control, Faulconer differs from other candidates. He’s OK with California’s tight restrictions and doesn’t want to weaken or strengthen them. Elder sounds like the National Rifle Assn., contending: “All they do is tie the hands of law-abiding citizens.

Elder on Gun Control:

"This battle for 'common-sense' gun control laws pits emotion and passion against logic and reason. All too often in such a contest, logic loses. So, expect more meaningless, if not harmful, 'gun control' legislation. Good news - if you're a crook."---- Larry ELder

https://www.ocregister.com/2012/07/3...-self-defense/

https://www.tribdem.com/news/editori...b35545c06.html

https://larryelder.com/column/wheres...ense-gun-laws/

https://www.investors.com/politics/c...m-larry-elder/

https://www.creators.com/read/larry-...ntrollers-care

https://www.dailynews.com/2012/04/20...to-fear-obama/

https://www.azquotes.com/author/4419-Larry_Elder

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/l...gun-crime-data

Larry Elder on the root cause of urban homicide...

https://www.tribdem.com/news/editori...2ac24d182.html

Interviews with Larry Elder on Prauger UNiverity website: https://www.prageru.com/search/?quer...5D%5Bpage%5D=1

We shall see...
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