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Old 07-13-2018, 8:07 PM
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Greetings!

I recently left the communist state of California and purchased a VP9.

I own a Shield 9mm but I saw the gen 5 Glock 19 and it piqued my interest. In the past I had a gen 3 and sold it soon after purchasing it due to the grip angle and finger grooves. This new one ďfitsĒ better and doesnít bother my hand like the gen 3. Iíd like to shoot it but I live in a small town in AZ and the only two ranges nearby don't have it available to rent.

Just wanted to get opinions. Would the G19 be worth it? Was thinking of purchasing it as a conceal carry. I know I can use the shield for that but I like it under my pillow . Oh yeah, and does anyone think the 2.0 Shield is worth the upgrade?

Lastly, should I spent the extra 70-80 for the night sights on it if I do buy it?

Thanks everyone!

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Old 07-13-2018, 8:24 PM
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1. Shield 2.0 is worth it
2. Not a Glock fanboy but the Gen5 is nice
3. Decide before you buy if night sights are important to you and go from there
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Old 07-13-2018, 10:29 PM
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Congrats on the VP9.

Since you escaped the PRC, why not stick to one platform and get a VP9SK? A little fatter than a G19, but hey, itís an HK with a comfy grip angle.

As a citizen of free America, youíll probably end up with many new toys. I have an old California-safe Shield and love it, except for the loaded chamber flag and magazine disconnect. So maybe add the 2point0 to the stable. It should feel familiar only better.

As for the G19, if you didnít like your Gen 3, I doubt a Gen 5 would be satisfying. If you get one anyway (go on, challenge yourself to master that awkward grip angle!), get night sights.

But Iíd only want one carry gun to master. Given your thoughts, Iíd get a new, un-neutered Shield 2.0.
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Congrats on the VP9.

Since you escaped the PRC, why not stick to one platform and get a VP9SK? A little fatter than a G19, but hey, itís an HK with a comfy grip angle.

As a citizen of free America, youíll probably end up with many new toys. I have an old California-safe Shield and love it, except for the loaded chamber flag and magazine disconnect. So maybe add the 2point0 to the stable. It should feel familiar only better.

As for the G19, if you didnít like your Gen 3, I doubt a Gen 5 would be satisfying. If you get one anyway (go on, challenge yourself to master that awkward grip angle!), get night sights.

But Iíd only want one carry gun to master. Given your thoughts, Iíd get a new, un-neutered Shield 2.0.


Thanks for the reply! Iím honestly not crazy about having one platform. Iím more a buffet type of guy. Have a CZ75, had an MP40, and a P226 which I sold before I moved here only to get the legion here.

I have my shield for sale and since itís the only one in my area I got plenty of offers. But I can get $300 if Iím lucky as it came stock or 400 for it, apex trigger, apex low profile LCI, Hyve 2 round mag extender, pelican case, talon grips and 2 extra 8 round mags. The new shield is 430 for the base model. So donít know if the upgrade is worth it for only the upgraded trigger and grips (I donít count serrations as an upgrade lol). Especially since my shield already has a different trigger and talon grips to me feel better than the 60 grit sand paper the new mp come with.

Also, I really donít mind the thumb safety, I would actually get the 2.0 with the safety. The factory LCI was terrible but since I have the apex one I actually like it. Mag disconnect has never been an issue. I know the function of it but for my application Iíve never cursed California for giving me a shield with it so also not a deal breaker. Only reason I would sell my shield to trade up is just to have the latest model, but again. Itís just a facelift new model.

As for the Glock. I actually really like the way the new gen 5 19 looks. Would like to add a Glock to my collection.

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Updated thanks! I tend to forget how to English when Iím speed typing, but Iíll admit, that one I did not know.
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Btw I really like the g19, big fan and gen 5 would be my choice of your picks.

But I think I'd rather have the sig p365 for concealed carry. Got to handle one recently and it's surprisingly small, very impressive.

On the Glock night sights, I'd be happy with them for $50 over std model, they're pretty nice for factory. Otherwise I'd rather have either cheaper Ameriglo fiber optic or one of their tritium sets like hackathorn or cap.
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Old 07-14-2018, 12:27 AM
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I love my VP9, is as good as it gets with a polymer striker fired full size pistol. I do not like the fact that it should hold more rounds than it does (where legal.)

I have a G19 Gen 4 and it has also been superb. Zero mods, 100% reliability as usual for a Glock.

I don't have any experience with the shield, as I think the M&P Compact 1.0 is a better option, if that is an option. I recently started carrying mine again, and don't know why I ever stopped.

All the pistols you listed are no-brainers, so you can't lose.
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Have you ever had failed to cycle with the VP9 and 115 gr?

Took mine to the range today for the first test run and every single one failed to cycle. Stopped after 10 or 15 rounds. Called H&K per the range masterís suggestion and they said itís meant to be used with 124 gr, not 115. Read online this is a common issue but some are telling me itís not and the gun might be defective.

As for my shield I actually like it a lot. Iíll admit Iíve never cc before but thatís because I lived I CA. Now that Iím in AZ Iíd like to. Just need to decide if I want to use my shield, or buy a G19 or MP 2.0 Compact for ccw.
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Old 07-14-2018, 3:54 AM
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Some 115gr 9mm loads are loaded soft and can cause issues when cycling. Has also happened with some glocks.
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Old 07-14-2018, 7:48 AM
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Thanks for the reply! Iím honestly not crazy about having one platform. Iím more a buffet type of guy. Have a CZ75, had an MP40, and a P226 which I sold before I moved here only to get the legion here.

I have my shield for sale and since itís the only one in my area I got plenty of offers. But I can get $300 if Iím lucky as it came stock or 400 for it, apex trigger, apex low profile LCI, Hyve 2 round mag extender, pelican case, talon grips and 2 extra 8 round mags. The new shield is 430 for the base model. So donít know if the upgrade is worth it for only the upgraded trigger and grips (I donít count serrations as an upgrade lol). Especially since my shield already has a different trigger and talon grips to me feel better than the 60 grit sand paper the new mp come with.

Also, I really donít mind the thumb safety, I would actually get the 2.0 with the safety. The factory LCI was terrible but since I have the apex one I actually like it. Mag disconnect has never been an issue. I know the function of it but for my application Iíve never cursed California for giving me a shield with it so also not a deal breaker. Only reason I would sell my shield to trade up is just to have the latest model, but again. Itís just a facelift new model.

As for the Glock. I actually really like the way the new gen 5 19 looks. Would like to add a Glock to my collection.

As for the buffet, I get it. I was there before I switched ďstrategiesĒ and sold most of my guns. But even then (the 35 handguns days), I would pick one as a range toy and then shoot it alongside the carry guns so I stayed on top of my training with the carry. So no need for one platform, just lots of training with the carry gun.

I didnít realize your Shield had so many mods. My issuing agency in PRC wonít allow mods on a carry gun, so Apex trigger etc. are just for the range toys (which I donít do anymore). Iím a believer in ďthe more it has, the more that can go wrongĒ and the LCI and mag disco are two things that make the California Shield overly complicated.

The safety on the Shield only troubles me because one time I discovered I had the safety engaged and didnít know it. I had been carrying it for a couple days like that. If I ran into a ďone-in-a-millionĒ moment of needing to use the weapon to stop a threat, I may have suffered injury or death trying to figure out why the Shield would not go ďbang.Ē I train for the simplest engagement, not the safety sweep (donít trust myself to remember a whole lot if Iím ever forced to draw).

As for Glock-if you like it get it! Of the four handguns I chose to keep, one was the 9mm G34 Gen 4. Not my favorite gun, but the only one I ďcompeteĒ with (so far just Glock-sponsored tournaments). Itís a bone stock model down to the crappy sights. Even though Iím not a Glock fan, I did well in my first tournament, taking first (including one ďperfect scoreĒ) and scoring even higher than the folks running modified Glocks.

Apologies for the long post. Just wanted to acknowledge the differences in our ďstrategiesď and share (too much?) about my viewpoint.
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Get yourself a .22 LR handgun host for a suppressor like a Dead Air Mask or a Rugged Oculus. I would recommend the Ruger MK4 22/45 tactical.
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As for the buffet, I get it. I was there before I switched ďstrategiesĒ and sold most of my guns. But even then (the 35 handguns days), I would pick one as a range toy and then shoot it alongside the carry guns so I stayed on top of my training with the carry. So no need for one platform, just lots of training with the carry gun.

I didnít realize your Shield had so many mods. My issuing agency in PRC wonít allow mods on a carry gun, so Apex trigger etc. are just for the range toys (which I donít do anymore). Iím a believer in ďthe more it has, the more that can go wrongĒ and the LCI and mag disco are two things that make the California Shield overly complicated.

The safety on the Shield only troubles me because one time I discovered I had the safety engaged and didnít know it. I had been carrying it for a couple days like that. If I ran into a ďone-in-a-millionĒ moment of needing to use the weapon to stop a threat, I may have suffered injury or death trying to figure out why the Shield would not go ďbang.Ē I train for the simplest engagement, not the safety sweep (donít trust myself to remember a whole lot if Iím ever forced to draw).

As for Glock-if you like it get it! Of the four handguns I chose to keep, one was the 9mm G34 Gen 4. Not my favorite gun, but the only one I ďcompeteĒ with (so far just Glock-sponsored tournaments). Itís a bone stock model down to the crappy sights. Even though Iím not a Glock fan, I did well in my first tournament, taking first (including one ďperfect scoreĒ) and scoring even higher than the folks running modified Glocks.

Apologies for the long post. Just wanted to acknowledge the differences in our ďstrategiesď and share (too much?) about my viewpoint.


Not at all! I appreciate the reply. I remember my sheriff buddy in LA saying that they get fired if they mod their carry weapons. Also that youíre not allowed to modify a CCW, at least in CA. You have a good point about those mods. If Iím keeping this guy for CCw then Iíll need to put it back to stock. As for the safety, Iíll admit I like it only because I sleep with it under my spare pillow, but each time I go to the range I always forget to disengage it and that first shot is always a dud.
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Some 115gr 9mm loads are loaded soft and can cause issues when cycling. Has also happened with some glocks.


Interesting. Iím using freedom munitions reman and Iíve never had issues with any of my others guys.
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Greetings!

I recently left the communist state of California and purchased a VP9.

I own a Shield 9mm but I saw the gen 5 Glock 19 and it piqued my interest. In the past I had a gen 3 and sold it soon after purchasing it due to the grip angle and finger grooves. This new one ďfitsĒ better and doesnít bother my hand like the gen 3. Iíd like to shoot it but I live in a small town in AZ and the only two ranges nearby don't have it available to rent.

Just wanted to get opinions. Would the G19 be worth it? Was thinking of purchasing it as a conceal carry. I know I can use the shield for that but I like it under my pillow . Oh yeah, and does anyone think the 2.0 Shield is worth the upgrade?

Lastly, should I spent the extra 70-80 for the night sights on it if I do buy it?

Thanks everyone!
G19 Gen 5 worth it? I say yes.

Shield 2.0 worth the upgrade? If you like the safety and don't mind the mag disconnect then no. Me? I left Kalifornistan and got the 2.0 because I don't like the LCI, Safety and mag disconnect. Plus anything I buy from here on will be Kali illegal just for principle sake. Although I kept the Kali neutered Shield as one of my HD gunz. Shoots great and was CHEAP. Got it when there was the rebate.

Night sights? If you feel you may need them then go for it. JMHO
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I actually ended up getting $400 for the shield and was able to keep one mag for myself and the pelican case. Went to get a 2.0 and walked out with a 2.0 with no safety and. Sig P226 Legion. Go figure.
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Night sights for sure.

I would get an m&p 9 3.6 or 4 inch compact if I lived outside California , and keep your shield. Remove the mag disconnect safety though. It is very easy and was the first thing I did to mine. With the lci block and mag disconnect safety removed you have the same gun with out the white lettering on the right side of the slide.
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I would get an m&p 9 3.6 or 4 inch compact if I lived outside California , and keep your shield. Remove the mag disconnect safety though. It is very easy and was the first thing I did to mine. With the lci block and mag disconnect safety removed you have the same gun with out the white lettering on the right side of the slide.


Thanks! But too late lol already sold my 1.0 and got a 2.0 for a discount when I purchased the legion.
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VP9>G19>Shield

I like my VP9. My only gripe is the “pinch” you get something on your trigger finger and the price of mags.
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Have you ever had failed to cycle with the VP9 and 115 gr?

Took mine to the range today for the first test run and every single one failed to cycle. Stopped after 10 or 15 rounds. Called H&K per the range master’s suggestion and they said it’s meant to be used with 124 gr, not 115. Read online this is a common issue but some are telling me it’s not and the gun might be defective.
If it's still pretty new, it will need some time to break in. Apparently the early runs of the VP9 had a lighter recoil spring and it would sometimes not go into full battery so the new ones now use the VP40 spring. You should shoot 124 grain for a while out of it to start out with. It should cycle fine after a while. I have shot maybe 800-1000 rounds out of mine now and it runs great with both 115 and 124 grain rounds.

As for your initial question, get a Gen5 G19. It will still have the same Glock grip angle but it's a great firearm for it's size.

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If it's still pretty new, it will need some time to break in. Apparently the early runs of the VP9 had a lighter recoil spring and it would sometimes not go into full battery so the new ones now use the VP40 spring. You should shoot 124 grain for a while out of it to start out with. It should cycle fine after a while. I have shot maybe 800-1000 rounds out of mine now and it runs great.



As for your initial question, get a Gen5 G19. It will still have the same Glock grip angle but it's a great firearm for it's size.


I emailed H&K and got a reply to run 400-500 rounds of 124 gr to break it in. Sadly my 6k rounds are all 115 and freedom munitions was completely out of just about everything. My LGS has 1000 for $190 so I may pick that up.
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The question you should be asking yourself is how do you feel about betting your life on a short sight radius'd, reduced capacity, greater recoiling sub compact, single stack weapon, over a G19 size/capacity weapon? And especially with all the shenanigans that are going on in today's world.

If you're not ok with this, then get the G19.

As for the 2.0...

M&P 2.0 > M&P 1.0. (2.0 has a better trigger)

But M&P 1.0 w/Apex trigger > M&P 2.0 (You can upgrade the trigger for less than buying a brand new 2.0

M&P 2.0 w/Apex trigger, however, is king.

Night Sights: I've stopped buying night sights. At the point that it becomes dark enough to use them, it is too dark to identify the threat without a light. And once the light comes on the night sights are irrelevant. YMMV.
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Greetings!

I recently left the communist state of California and purchased a VP9.

I own a Shield 9mm but I saw the gen 5 Glock 19 and it piqued my interest. In the past I had a gen 3 and sold it soon after purchasing it due to the grip angle and finger grooves. This new one ďfitsĒ better and doesnít bother my hand like the gen 3. Iíd like to shoot it but I live in a small town in AZ and the only two ranges nearby don't have it available to rent.

Just wanted to get opinions. Would the G19 be worth it? Was thinking of purchasing it as a conceal carry. I know I can use the shield for that but I like it under my pillow . Oh yeah, and does anyone think the 2.0 Shield is worth the upgrade?

Lastly, should I spent the extra 70-80 for the night sights on it if I do buy it?

Thanks everyone!
Congrats -

As far as shooting goes - why not just take some friends and go out and shoot in the desert?

When i lived in az ( 27th & Indian school rd ) we would go out by where the old greyhound racing track was ( off the 10 ) and shoot out there. That might be an option for ya.

As far as the glock - the 9mm Glocks are some of the best Glocks available ( imo ), the 19 is i believe the 1st or 2nd most popular glock , because it is a very versatile pistol. I would get the 19 gen 5 with no worries. I grew up when the 1st gen Glocks came out and i own all of the 9mm family. They are working tools, i like the 17,19, & 26. I also own the S&W sheild and its a good pistol - but different from the 19, and even the 26.

I have my Glocks and Hk's with HD Night Sights- but have heard ameriglow and straight 8 night sights are very good, there are a lot of different options - such as 3 dot, 2 dot, bar / dot, and color dots, so do research what you want, but do upgrade the sights on the Glock.

I carried both the S&W sheild & G26 and they do carry very differently. As to the 1st gen vs the 2nd gen sheild - You can upgrade the trigger on the 1st, add HD night sights, and have a very good upgraded 1st gen sheild.

I also use Federal 147gr hst hp's in all my 9mm weapons, and Federal 230gr hst hp's in my 45acp's.

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As far as shooting goes - why not just take some friends and go out and shoot in the desert?



When i lived in az ( 27th & Indian school rd ) we would go out by where the old greyhound racing track was ( off the 10 ) and shoot out there. That might be an option for ya.



As far as the glock - the 9mm Glocks are some of the best Glocks available ( imo ), the 19 is i believe the 1st or 2nd most popular glock , because it is a very versatile pistol. I would get the 19 gen 5 with no worries. I grew up when the 1st gen Glocks came out and i own all of the 9mm family. They are working tools, i like the 17,19, & 26. I also own the S&W sheild and its a good pistol - but different from the 19, and even the 26.



I have my Glocks and Hk's with HD Night Sights- but have heard ameriglow and straight 8 night sights are very good, there are a lot of different options - such as 3 dot, 2 dot, bar / dot, and color dots, so do research what you want, but do upgrade the sights on the Glock.



I carried both the S&W sheild & G26 and they do carry very differently. As to the 1st gen vs the 2nd gen sheild - You can upgrade the trigger on the 1st, add HD night sights, and have a very good upgraded 1st gen sheild.



I also use Federal 147gr hst hp's in all my 9mm weapons, and Federal 230gr hst hp's in my 45acp's.



Good luck

We off-road every reason and shoot the Sunday before we head home. Just a few more months until Iím back at Panamint.

Thereís a shooting road down a couple miles from my place actually. Just drive until you find a place, pull over and go to town. But weíve had a fire ban for some time now. Rains just came in so itís lifted and Iíll be headed out tomorrow. Have a mosin I was to test as well.

Iíll admit something about Glock attracts me, but I already know I shot like crap with one before. Not sure a new gen will be must of a difference. Especially when thereís the MP 2.0 compact thatís essentially the same size, cheaper, better grip angle (subjective) and has metal sights. I honestly donít think Iíll be putting night sights on any of my handguns. My legion has them so thatíll be my night stand weapon.

Thanks for the ammo information! Was looking for good HP ammo. Think I heard someone in a video mention that 147 gr ammo.


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The question you should be asking yourself is how do you feel about betting your life on a short sight radius'd, reduced capacity, greater recoiling sub compact, single stack weapon, over a G19 size/capacity weapon? And especially with all the shenanigans that are going on in today's world.



If you're not ok with this, then get the G19.



As for the 2.0...



M&P 2.0 > M&P 1.0. (2.0 has a better trigger)



But M&P 1.0 w/Apex trigger > M&P 2.0 (You can upgrade the trigger for less than buying a brand new 2.0



M&P 2.0 w/Apex trigger, however, is king.



Night Sights: I've stopped buying night sights. At the point that it becomes dark enough to use them, it is too dark to identify the threat without a light. And once the light comes on the night sights are irrelevant. YMMV.

To be honest I shot my 1.0 shield better than my gen 3 G19.

As for the night sights. You have a good point, thank you. Can save the 80 or so extra they charge for them if I end up going the Glock route.

I had an apex trigger on my shield. Felt like crap. Thereís no curvature to it so finger placement wasnít natural, at least for me. I sold the 1.0 and trigger and got a 2.0 simply because I like shields but Iíll be keeping the stock trigger. Only mod Iíll add it talon grips.

As for a CCW that is not a shield. Iíll be looking to buy an M&P 2.0 compact 9mm or a G19 gen 5. 2.0 compact seems to be getting great reviews. Could even get a VP9 SK I think, but I already have a vp9 and I like diversity.
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You may find the mag cutout on the front strap bothersome when shooting the gen 5 19. I had a gen5 17, but sold it and have gone to the 19x and couldnít be happier. It is my favorite Glock to date. Going to actually buy a second as a spare. Too big for me to CC, but I shoot the crap out of it at the range running drills etc. In colder weather or if I donít care about printing Iíll wear it no problem owb. I have a vp also and itís a lovely pistol, again too big for me to CC regularly. My CC gun of choice is either a Glock 42 or 43.


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The gen5 is amazing. If youíre eligible for blue label you can get it as low as $509. Got mine blue label and they come with night sights. The trigger on the gen5 feels incredible when shooting it. Itís hard to explain but thereís a noticeable difference, much more smooth and crisp than the previous generations. Vp9 is a great gun too.
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Have you considered the Walther PPQ? I have a VP9 and a PPQ and I much prefer the PPQ. Like Two Nuggets, I find the VP9 pinches my trigger finger.

The other advantage of the PPQ (over the Glock) is that you can get a factory threaded barrel model. Now that I live in a free state, all new pistols I buy will have threaded barrels.
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I didn't find the 2.0 shield worth the upgrade and a few articles comparing the two didn't either. Personally not a fan of the stippling on the shield 2.0, it's a CCW gun so why would you want that rough texture against your skin? For my full sized the 2.0 longslide it's amazing. Hands down my favorite gun for but CCW, no way. It's a well balanced beast, grip is pretty rough though.

I guess you could always sand it but at the end of the day I'd probably just stay with your 1.0 and spend some money upgrading it. I love mine, i deleted the LCI and removed the mag disco, added TFX sights and threw an Apex trigger in it.

Night sights are great if you plan on using it in the dusk or at night. Honestly with exception of a CCW gun or nighstand gun it's pretty useless. I'm a huge TFX for the best of both worlds, I have them in all my guns so it's also for consistently.

Gen 5 is a polished turd IMO, a Gen 3 with a grip reduction is better but that's up to you. In a free state it isnt that much more expensive. I think if you want a G19 that fits your hand just get a P10c. Mine is my 2nd favorite gun right behind my 2.0 5" P10c handles like a dream and in a free state its cheaper than a Glock.

Congrats on the VP9, I would agree with platform synergy... it's really easy to improve on your Handgun basics when you share the platform, just my 2 cents. Enjoy!
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Have you ever had failed to cycle with the VP9 and 115 gr?

Took mine to the range today for the first test run and every single one failed to cycle. Stopped after 10 or 15 rounds. Called H&K per the range master’s suggestion and they said it’s meant to be used with 124 gr, not 115. Read online this is a common issue but some are telling me it’s not and the gun might be defective.

As for my shield I actually like it a lot. I’ll admit I’ve never cc before but that’s because I lived I CA. Now that I’m in AZ I’d like to. Just need to decide if I want to use my shield, or buy a G19 or MP 2.0 Compact for ccw.
What do you mean "failed to cycle"? Failed to eject and cycle another round? Failed to fire?

Most Military / police service pistols are designed to run the 9mm NATO round which is 124 grain. The ammo industry uses something called SAAMI Standards to establish the pressures that ammo should be loaded to. The SAAMI pressure for 9mm Luger ammo is around 35,000 PSI, and C.I.P (think European SAAMI) rates 9mm Luger ammo at 34,080 PSI. According to documentation, the 9mm NATO rounds are pressured at 36,500 PSI (again according to CIP). That means that when compared to standard 9mm ammo, the 9mm NATO ammo is running a higher pressure, analogous to a 9mm +P load, which SAAMI rates around 36,000 PSI.

I own several VP9'stwo of which Iactually use the others NIB safe queens. I hacve a combines 35000 to 40,000 rounds thru the two guns WITHOUT A SINGLE malfunction. The vast majority of ammo down the tube is 115gr FM ( Winchester WB, Federal brass), some Winchester NATO, PMC 124 gr FMJ, and AE 147gr FMJ flat tip. Again, both VP9's ate it all.

Did you disassemble the pistol before you shot it? Put recoil spring in backwards? Put recoil spring in not properly aligned?
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What do you mean "failed to cycle"? Failed to eject and cycle another round? Failed to fire?

Most Military / police service pistols are designed to run the 9mm NATO round which is 124 grain. The ammo industry uses something called SAAMI Standards to establish the pressures that ammo should be loaded to. The SAAMI pressure for 9mm Luger ammo is around 35,000 PSI, and C.I.P (think European SAAMI) rates 9mm Luger ammo at 34,080 PSI. According to documentation, the 9mm NATO rounds are pressured at 36,500 PSI (again according to CIP). That means that when compared to standard 9mm ammo, the 9mm NATO ammo is running a higher pressure, analogous to a 9mm +P load, which SAAMI rates around 36,000 PSI.

I own several VP9'stwo of which Iactually use the others NIB safe queens. I hacve a combines 35000 to 40,000 rounds thru the two guns WITHOUT A SINGLE malfunction. The vast majority of ammo down the tube is 115gr FM ( Winchester WB, Federal brass), some Winchester NATO, PMC 124 gr FMJ, and AE 147gr FMJ flat tip. Again, both VP9's ate it all.

Did you disassemble the pistol before you shot it? Put recoil spring in backwards? Put recoil spring in not properly aligned?


Thanks for the explanation. I forgot what the issue was. If I remember correctly the case didnít eject properly and the next round didnít chamber. Contacted H&k and they said the gun is meant for nato spec (124 gr). They recommended running about 500 rounds of it through it and then try 115 again. I did clean the gun prior to using it but I put everything back in place. Seems to be some are okay with 115 to begin with and some arenít from what I read online.
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Thanks for the explanation. I forgot what the issue was. If I remember correctly the case didnít eject properly and the next round didnít chamber. Contacted H&k and they said the gun is meant for nato spec (124 gr). They recommended running about 500 rounds of it through it and then try 115 again. I did clean the gun prior to using it but I put everything back in place. Seems to be some are okay with 115 to begin with and some arenít from what I read online.
Are you sure you put the recoil spring in correctly and aligned it properly? Were you running "New manufacture" 115 gr from a major ammunition manufacturer? No reloads?
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Are you sure you put the recoil spring in correctly and aligned it properly? Were you running "New manufacture" 115 gr from a major ammunition manufacturer? No reloads?


Definitely sure. Took it out again last weekend and shot 124 without a problem (didnít touch the gun since the first time). I was using freedom munitions reloads, which Iíve never had a problem with and shot perfectly fine last weekend from my shield, sig and cz.
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Definitely sure. Took it out again last weekend and shot 124 without a problem (didnít touch the gun since the first time). I was using freedom munitions reloads, which Iíve never had a problem with and shot perfectly fine last weekend from my shield, sig and cz.
I never ever shoot reloads of any kind! I have two friends who have had problems with Freedom reloads in ther G34's.

You own an HK but shoot reloads?
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Itís range ammo. Not reason to use new for that. And to be fair I bought all that ammo before I owned the hk. Regardless, the ammo is not the issue. I took it from the vp9 at the range and shot it through my old shield. Like I said, Iíve never had an issue with their ammo. LGS has 1000 rounds of 124 for 190 so Iíll pick that up when I got ffl my legion and see if it I can break the gun in.
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