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Old 03-25-2020, 8:53 AM
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howdy guys and gals

I am looking to build my first AR 10 and wanted to get your advice.
I was thinking of going with the complete upper route and my budget is $1200-1500
Fixed magazine so it will be featured

I already have the JL Billet .308 DPMS Lower


How would you recommend I spend the money?

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Look into the LaRue UU Kit. It will provide you everything except the lower. There stuff is very nice.


I wouldn’t hesitate to buy it. I have a UU 223 kit and love it.

https://www.larue.com/products/larue...5cm-upper-kit/


I built a kit to see what the cost would be and it’s right under $1200. That includes EVERYTHING except for your stripped lower.

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Look into the LaRue UU Kit. It will provide you everything except the lower. There stuff is very nice.


I wouldnít hesitate to buy it. I have a UU 223 kit and love it.

https://www.larue.com/products/larue...5cm-upper-kit/


I built a kit to see what the cost would be and itís right under $1200. That includes EVERYTHING except for your stripped lower.
thanks for the suggestion I just built it out and it is right at $1242 for everything
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Is there any considerable differences going with an 18" vs 20" barrel?

Is it worth it to go with the JP Custom Buffer Springs and Silent Captured Spring?

https://www.jprifles.com/1.4.7.2_os.php
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Is there any considerable differences going with an 18" vs 20" barrel?

Is it worth it to go with the JP Custom Buffer Springs and Silent Captured Spring?

https://www.jprifles.com/1.4.7.2_os.php

Browse Aero Precision complete uppers, good quality and inexpensive. They also have .308 buffers, springs, and everything else to complete your build. I personally went with an 18Ē and itís damn accurate. 20Ē is too long, but thatís just my opinion.


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I've built 2 a 20" and an 18". No real difference but if I ever really want to shoot 1000 yards I'll take the 20" and make use of all the 308 has to offer.
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I did check Aero as well but then I was reading some bad things about them

Is it worth it to go with the JP Custom Buffer Springs and Silent Captured Spring?

https://www.jprifles.com/1.4.7.2_os.php
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I did check Aero as well but then I was reading some bad things about them

Is it worth it to go with the JP Custom Buffer Springs and Silent Captured Spring?

https://www.jprifles.com/1.4.7.2_os.php

Probably unnecessary, as long as she goes BANG. Youíre good to go. Unless you wanna spend the extra money.


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Look into the LaRue UU Kit. It will provide you everything except the lower. There stuff is very nice.


I wouldnít hesitate to buy it. I have a UU 223 kit and love it.

https://www.larue.com/products/larue...5cm-upper-kit/


I built a kit to see what the cost would be and itís right under $1200. That includes EVERYTHING except for your stripped lower.
I don't see a 308 option here. Did I miss it?
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7.62 is military version of civilian 308. Cartridge spec is almost identical.
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And I know that.
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You need to select the barrel option:
260, 6.5 creed and 308.
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Go 20”. It’s going to be a heavy pig anyway. Might as well get the extra velocity.
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Look into the LaRue UU Kit. It will provide you everything except the lower. There stuff is very nice.


I wouldnít hesitate to buy it. I have a UU 223 kit and love it.

https://www.larue.com/products/larue...5cm-upper-kit/


I built a kit to see what the cost would be and itís right under $1200. That includes EVERYTHING except for your stripped lower.
Thanks...didn't know LaRue did these..and will sell you their lower too if you buy this kit.

Only see keymod though-do you know if they will do M-lok?

Everything elseI have is M-lok.
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Im in the same boat, and I just bought a Juggernaut Upper in 18". I however, exceed your budget with lower furniture and optics. But, I spent within you budget for my upper, if that helps.
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Just one word of caution, there is no standard spec for 308 lowers, and there are a couple patterns out there that are not interchangeable. I've never used JL Billet, but it would be good to confirm which yours is before you end up with mismatched parts.

https://308ar.com/ar-10-308-ar-compa...ference-guide/
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Just one word of caution, there is no standard spec for 308 lowers, and there are a couple patterns out there that are not interchangeable. I've never used JL Billet, but it would be good to confirm which yours is before you end up with mismatched parts.

https://308ar.com/ar-10-308-ar-compa...ference-guide/
thanks for the link I will read through it

It is the DPMS Platform

here is the link to my lower

http://www.jlbillet.com/ar10-308-bil...er-serialized/
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Old 03-25-2020, 3:36 PM
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Im curious if I were to move my budget into the $1500-$2000 range what would you recommend?

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Would you recommend going with a muzzle break vs a flash hider?
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Would you recommend going with a muzzle break vs a flash hider?

Go with a brake, check out the vg6 gamma. Helps a lot with the recoil.


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Go with a brake, check out the vg6 gamma. Helps a lot with the recoil.


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Awesome thank you for the recommendation, I figured that a brake is the way to go to help with the recoil
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Check out tacticlerifleman on youtube he is a former Green Beret sniper,if I remember he has several vids on the subject.
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Adjustable gas block.....Had 2 . 308 ars n adjustable gas blocks helped out the problems I had.
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Im curious if I were to move my budget into the $1500-$2000 range what would you recommend?
Getting a complete factory built gun, preferably something designed to be lightweight.
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Adjustable gas block.....Had 2 . 308 ars n adjustable gas blocks helped out the problems I had.

What problems did you run into?


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Adjustable gas block.....Had 2 . 308 ars n adjustable gas blocks helped out the problems I had.
Current generation of PSA's come with an adjustable gas block.

Did OP ever say what he wanted to do with it? He should consider the Savage MSR-10. They have versions that are sorta lightweight for general purpose use, and big heavy versions for precision.
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Built off of JL Billet upper/lower. Went with an 18Ē barrel and I could easily hit out to 1000 yards. Like others said adjustable gas block makes life easier with these picky creatures.
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https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-ar-10s/

https://thegunzone.com/best-ar-10-rifles/

Aero M5 - they have a lot of sales.

https://www.schuylerarmsco.com

I built one but should have bought a complete upper, put on an adjustable gas block, and put the lower together.
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I would try to run matched upper and lowers if at all possible. I ran Aero upper and lowers and it worked out well for me.
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Current generation of PSA's come with an adjustable gas block.

Did OP ever say what he wanted to do with it? He should consider the Savage MSR-10. They have versions that are sorta lightweight for general purpose use, and big heavy versions for precision.
It will be for general purpose and I would like hunting with it
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I was doing some research on the Larue UU kit and it does not have an adjustable gas block

is it worth it to have an adjustable gas block?
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I have 4 AR10 style rifles:
22Ē Aero/Ballistic Advantage 6.5 Creed
16Ē Factory Aero 308
20Ē GAP10 308
22Ē GAP10 6.5 Creed

I donít have adjustable gas blocks on any of them. Iíve had no issues. My 308 gap10 has close to 2500 rounds down it. I donít feel the need for one, especially from a experienced builder (GA precision, larue, seekins). The suppressed guys need one though.
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I have built several, and helped people fix many not built correct. Two important areas of advice being the 308 AR platform not mil spec like AR15. Build 308 DPMS platform not AR10, there is a difference. One, get a matching set upper and lower so you know fit is correct. Two, buy your barrel and BCG (especially bolt) together with headspace guarantee. Fulton and Faxon have been great for me.
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First, how heavy do you want it to be? "AR10"s get heavy real fast. My advice is if you just want a range toy to shoot from the bench and the only time you will ever pick it up is when you carry it from your car to the bench, then go as heavy as you want. But if you want something you could actually carry in the field and use to defend yourself, then go no longer/heavier than a 16.5" carbine with a government profile bbl. I just stick with a good old bolt action for a heavy bench gun.

Second, definitely go with a factory built upper if possible. Or expect to spend extra money trouble shooting with various parts such as gas blocks, barrels, bolts, buffers, springs. I actually prefer just buying a complete factory built gun now.

I built a couple Aero M5E1s with 18" bbls and they were just too darn heavy for what i wanted to be able to do with them. Aero's have heavy, beefy "overbuilt" receivers to begin with.

I recommend considering 16" versions of the Windham 308, M&P10, Armalite Def10, SA Saint Victor, and DDM5 for a practical "AR10".
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thanks guys for all the responses I appreciate it.
Yes I will be building the 308 DPMS platform I wording the title wrong
I will be buying the barrel and BCG together

Another question that came up the 18" barrel is a Mid Length system
then I go to look at the adjustable stocks and they say they use a carbine Buffer tube

So how do you properly set up the buffer tube?
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First, how heavy do you want it to be? "AR10"s get heavy real fast. My advice is if you just want a range toy to shoot from the bench and the only time you will ever pick it up is when you carry it from your car to the bench, then go as heavy as you want. But if you want something you could actually carry in the field and use to defend yourself, then go no longer/heavier than a 16.5" carbine with a government profile bbl. I just stick with a good old bolt action for a heavy bench gun.

Second, definitely go with a factory built upper if possible. Or expect to spend extra money trouble shooting with various parts such as gas blocks, barrels, bolts, buffers, springs. I actually prefer just buying a complete factory built gun now.

I built a couple Aero M5E1s with 18" bbls and they were just too darn heavy for what i wanted to be able to do with them. Aero's have heavy, beefy "overbuilt" receivers to begin with.

I recommend considering 16" versions of the Windham 308, M&P10, Armalite Def10, SA Saint Victor, and DDM5 for a practical "AR10".
I dont want it to be overly heavy because as I want to be able to carry it with me in the field

I will be going with a factory upper build I dont want to mess with the gas blocks and all the components at this stage.
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I would match your lower to your upper and build from there. Also add a adjustable gas block like mentioned above.
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thanks for the link I will read through it

It is the DPMS Platform

here is the link to my lower

http://www.jlbillet.com/ar10-308-bil...er-serialized/
There are two DPMS patterns for LR308 (well three actually if you include gen II small format)

There is the pre 2009 high rail, and post 2009 low rail
You will need to know this so the picatinny sight rail matches up wih a forend rail if you use such, or to mane sure you get the right height A2 type front sight, if you go that route.

IMO, the whole 308 AR thing has been so poorly done it isn’t hardly worth the trouble.

I have three of them and they are all pigs, and have been finicky from day one.

My M14s, FALs, even G3 (hk51 in my case) are all far more reliable and consistent as to compatibilities.
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I dont want it to be overly heavy because as I want to be able to carry it with me in the field

I will be going with a factory upper build I dont want to mess with the gas blocks and all the components at this stage.
Are you dead set on an 18" bbl? I love my 16" 308ARs. I dont see any downgrade in practical accuracy at less than 300yds. Thats the maximum range I would use them anyway. Practically speaking, I'm only going to be shooting at 50-100yds, 99.9999999% of the time.

BTW, stay away from CMMG uppers. They are expensive crap.

I like 308ARs vs other 308 semiautos like the M1A and PTR91 because they are so easy to mount and use optics. The downside is the added weight from an optic. So I stick with 16" factory built carbines.

Except for a CMMG MK3, all the factory built 308ARs I've had were very reliable and accurate and did not need an adjustable gas block. I wont own any AR that needs an adjustable gas block to run reliably. I cant have suppressors anyway, that would be the only valid reason to even consider an adjustable gas block.

Stay away from CMMG MK3 uppers. They are heavy, expensive, unreliable crap with mediocre accuracy.
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There are two DPMS patterns for LR308 (well three actually if you include gen II small format)

There is the pre 2009 high rail, and post 2009 low rail
You will need to know this so the picatinny sight rail matches up wih a forend rail if you use such, or to mane sure you get the right height A2 type front sight, if you go that route.

IMO, the whole 308 AR thing has been so poorly done it isnít hardly worth the trouble.

I have three of them and they are all pigs, and have been finicky from day one.

My M14s, FALs, even G3 (hk51 in my case) are all far more reliable and consistent as to compatibilities.
Thanks for letting me know about that, I was not aware that there were a few different types DPMS patterns

My lower was bought in 2015 I didnt realize how poorly 308 AR platform has been done why dont they just unify it to make it simple
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