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Old 03-02-2021, 12:48 PM
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Since defensive ammo (all ammo) is very scarce now, What are your thoughts about mixing ammo in the magazine? For instance the round in the chamber would be HP maybe even the next round would be a HP and then every other round would be HP then RN etc. Just a way to conserve defensive ammo at this time and have a full mag. Thanks
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As long as the gun doesn't have any problems with any of the ammo, I see no problems doing this.
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Old 03-02-2021, 5:58 PM
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Why are you concerned with conserving defensive ammo in a carry gun... Unless you're firing it all off at the end of the day, one box should give you ~2 full magazines.
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I'm confused. Are you talking about taking it to the range and loading your magazines in that manner, or are you talking about loading your magazines like that for home defense or conceal carry? If you have to shoot somebody use the ammo with the best ballistics that you have available to you, conserving ammo at a time like that should be your last concern
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How many people have you shot recently where you need to conserve your hollow points?

Or if I only had a few rounds of hollow points, they would all be loaded first, followed by ball rounds.

No law enforcement agency that I know of mixes rounds in their mags. There's probably a reason for this.
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How many people have you shot recently where you need to conserve your hollow points?
Right? I mean you're reaching pretty deep into the what if's to come up with some scenario where you need to alternate bullets.

OP, my Glock shoots both HP's and RN great. If I was low on SD ammo I would load every HP I have to be first out of the barrel. If you need to keep shootin' bad guys after the good ammo's gone, they'll just have to get shot with ball ammo. They ain't gonna like it any better.
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I mix ammo in my .380 because the penetration can suck. The first three are critical defense and the last three are fmj in case I need to go deeper. It isn't about saving money though. Even at a buck a round, don't stress over $10.
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I would not do what you are asking. Full nags with all the same ammo. You can keep them full without shooting them for a long long time. I agree it is good to change ammo with fresh ammo but when they are hard to find you do not need to put fresh ammo. Use the old ammo, it will be fine. Hope you never need it.
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Dumb idea.....

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Currently, I'm doing this with one carry gun.

JHP's in the chamber, loaded mag, first-to-grab mag, and the first 3 rounds in second-to-grab mag, followed by 5 rounds of ball.

I hope that I never have to dip into the ball ammo before I can replace it with JHP's. Firing 25 rounds of .45 ACP would probably mean I was having a far-from-ideal day.
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Don’t mix
You want consistency in the rounds.
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Solving a problem that doesn't exist. Wonder how that will turn out.
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California is in a drought...it always is. But when my house catches fire I'm really not concerned with conserving water. I want as much water as needed to solve the problem. If I have to pull the trigger in a defensive situation I want as many bullets as it takes to solve the problem. The last thing I'll be concerned with is wether the next round is at risk of over penetration or not. Defensive situations call for defensive ammunition.
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I've been know to mix ammo for specific purposes. One example is when I'm carrying a .38 on the ranch, I carry 2 or 3 shotshells followed by 2 or 3 HPs. This is because, the most common threat I encounter is better stopped by shotshells but, there's always a chance of encountering larger 2 or 4 legged threats. If that happens, the shotshell will still be affective confuse and/or blind them for the under a second it takes to pull the trigger a few more times.
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I mix ammo in my .380 because the penetration can suck. The first three are critical defense and the last three are fmj in case I need to go deeper. It isn't about saving money though. Even at a buck a round, don't stress over $10.
All of my training has directed me to shoot to STOP the threat.

IMO, if you gun "needs to go deeper", you need a different gun.

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Use the same ammo in the mag.....Period.

If you have to shoot somebody to save your or other person's life, the cost of the ammo you used, means nothing.

Buy another box of SD ammo.
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How many people have you shot recently where you need to conserve your hollow points?

Or if I only had a few rounds of hollow points, they would all be loaded first, followed by ball rounds.

No law enforcement agency that I know of mixes rounds in their mags. There's probably a reason for this.
Think I would count the HP's then load the ball first allowing room for the HP to be first out of the chute?
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I have a Ruger LC9 that doesn't feed the first two in 9 round magazines if they are hollow points, but it's 100% with FMJ ball. Maybe I could find a hp that would function all if I tried enough, but I know the ball works. The last 7 or in all 7 round magazines are 100% reliable. This is not uncommon, and it was still there after sending the magazines back to Ruger for replacement. So I carry the 9 round magazine with the top two FMJ as a backup magazine.
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I've tested my defensive ammo in my guns and know it works. There is no reason to mix ammo in mags that I am using for self-defense.
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I would personally do all hollow points and then all fmj.
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Its ammunition and not jewelry. If you don't have enough ammunition and need to mix it up in the magazine use the pistol for which you have enough ammunition. Ammunition effectiveness isn't a 100% thing.

The notion that something like FMJ gets the penetration while the other stuff gets the expansion or energy dump to support mxing ammo in the magazine is highly questionable. The chances are you will not be accurate enough should that circumstance present itself, to hit twice in the same exact location.

If your gun/ammo combo isn't as close to 100% reliable in all aspects of functioning use something else. Using a gun/ammo combo that isn't as close to 100% reliable as possible brings into question your need for a gun for self defense in the first place. Reliability and effectiveness are not the same thing.
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The only malfunction I've ever had in a Shield was from mixed ammo, I had 4 different loads with 4 different bullets, a reload with a 115RN,124 HST, 115 Barnes Tac and a Federal 115RN to see how it would work.
The gun had around 5,500 rds in it at the time with no failures ever until that intentional effort to stop it.
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The correct term is "cocktail loading" and people have been discussing it as if it is a 'new idea' since before I started shooting. No worthwhile defensive gun trainer has ever thought it a good idea.

In defensive handgunning, you want consistency, whether recoil, point of impact, or well as penetration of each bullet. Cocktailing your loads will change this with every trigger press, and that's not what you want, if even slightly.
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How many people have you shot recently where you need to conserve your hollow points?

Or if I only had a few rounds of hollow points, they would all be loaded first, followed by ball rounds.

No law enforcement agency that I know of mixes rounds in their mags. There's probably a reason for this.

First, it would be a somewhat unusual situation where you started with only a few defensive rounds, though its certainly a possibility.


Second, since most gunfights are short, personally, I would load the defensive rounds first.


Third, ball point still kills ... its been used on the battlefield since before you were born.
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God forbid you need to engage your weapon in a self defense scenario, but the cost of the ammo will be the least of your costs.
Pock the right ammo for the situation.


My buddy laughed when I was buy 10 boxes of hollow points at a time three years ago. But I shoot one magazine a month just to double check the feed and feel.

Now only 5 rounds every 3 months.
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Since defensive ammo (all ammo) is very scarce now,

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How many people have you shot recently where you need to conserve your hollow points?
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Mixing ammo is dumb.
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I personally don't rechamber rounds. So if I hit the range every week, that is 48 rounds a year, or one box of HST at most for me. I do not see how you can possibly be so desperate for defense ammo you need to not load mags fully with it.
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I have a Ruger LC9 that doesn't feed the first two in 9 round magazines if they are hollow points, but it's 100% with FMJ ball. Maybe I could find a hp that would function all if I tried enough, but I know the ball works. The last 7 or in all 7 round magazines are 100% reliable. This is not uncommon, and it was still there after sending the magazines back to Ruger for replacement. So I carry the 9 round magazine with the top two FMJ as a backup magazine.


Responding before thinking this through...

Would it not be as effective to do the following,

Put a HP/SD solo in mag, chamber that round. Load mag with HP/SD until nearly full, then top off with one (or two) of FMJ. Thus, first round preferred ammo. Subsequent FMJ round(s) loads smoother. Then the remainder of mag follows with HP/SD.

Convoluted? Yes. Achieves desired goal? YES.

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I personally don't rechamber rounds. So if I hit the range every week, that is 48 rounds a year, or one box of HST at most for me. I do not see how you can possibly be so desperate for defense ammo you need to not load mags fully with it.


NorCalRT- That works if you never chamber a round, then need to unload mags to transport. And if you only practice with one handgun. If you CCW, travel and/or have multiple handguns loaded for self/home defense, practice rounds are more than 48/year.

Just thinking out loud, as I'm sporting nothing but a pair of rubber bands strapped to a Thanksgiving turkey wishbone and some ball bearings.
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Nope. Carry guns get loaded with defensive ammo, hollow points. Mixing ammo in a firearm is the province of gun magazine BS and internet lore. Now, I know someone will point out some “expert” that does it but if it were that effective SWAT teams, etc would be doing it.

I was discussing this very thing with a lady who bought her first firearm, a 12 gauge shotgun, about a year ago when the buying frenzy started. She asked if she could get “those bean bag” rounds the police use and load it so the first one would be a bean bag and then regular shells after that. She changed her mind when I pointed out that the first shell could be the one she had to rely on to stop the threat.


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When I started out in law enforcement in 1980, the bullet technology was no where as developed as today. I carried a FMJ round in the pipe and first round of my magazine followed by 200grn +P JHP for all my other rounds. This was to penetrate glass and door panels if needed. Now I just carry .230grn JHP. You shouldn’t have any problems.
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How many people have you shot recently where you need to conserve your hollow points?

Or if I only had a few rounds of hollow points, they would all be loaded first, followed by ball rounds.

No law enforcement agency that I know of mixes rounds in their mags. There's probably a reason for this.
Of course there is.
They buy on America's dime.

BTW, If it's for defense, use all defense rounds.
If shooting at targets, use RN.
I don't have your problem. But even so, I conserve my defense rounds and rarely use them for target. If I take them at all, I just shoot them to make sure my aim with them is still spot on.
I usually take at least 6 different pistols and multiple types of cartridges in different weights to the range with me when I go. I train to be able to use any round in any gun I own and be accurate from the first shot.

The only time I ever place two different loads in one mag or in a revolver is when I'm getting back at my brother for doing it to me (S&W 357 mag).
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i think it is foolish to have any differences in ammo if you cant line up 15 of the same lot you are doing something wrong
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Well, while hunting Cape Buffalo I load softs on the first barrel and solid on the other as I might need the penetration through the whole body for the follow up shot.

I don't think you will run into the same issue with a human.

Just load up on the hollow points.
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I use all hp rounds in my carry guns. When I go to the range I always shoot the first two rounds of hollow point ammo to use up those top two rounds. Then I remove the mag and practice will ball ammo. When I get home I remove the hp rounds and put in two new ones at the bottom. This makes sure that none of my carry ammo is more than 6 months old and the top two have only a few insertions after dry fire practice.
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Why anyone would do it is beyond me?

That being said, no one is in a rush to get shot with anything so you do what you need to.
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Reading some of the replies here it is obvious that some people fail to grasp all the reasons for the practice or are so narrow minded that they can't conceive of the various scenarios that may require mixing ammo.

For example, you have an autoloader that is only reliable with ball ammo. It is the only gun you have and spending several hundred dollars to get something else is not an option

So you put a hollow point or some modern self defense load in the chamber and fill the magazine with hardball.

Or maybe put something like a Glazer Safety Slug in the chamber and hardball for the rest of the magazine. You may want to have a low penetration round as your first shot if you are worried about hitting someone in your family on the other side of a drywall partition and if that doesn't stop the attacker then it's Katy bar the door and go for the penetration of hardball and make sure of your target.
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