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Since Sonoma Co SO is currently looking into reforming the CCW process, someone w/a contact in the CCW dept should pass along:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...121987214.html

Sacramento, San Bernardino, Fresno, Placer, and Monterey county SOs have now all gone online w/their CCW apps: initial and renewals. For Sac, this means only 1 apt for new apps and NO apts for renewals! Saves both sides time, expenses and effort.
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Attention Sonoma County CCW Permit Holders

Have you applied for and been approved for a CCW permit from the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office between February 14, 2014 and December 7, 2016?

If you have, could you please send me a PM?

Thanks!
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Good luck with that...
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Some were issued from Feb 14-27, 2014. After that...not so much.
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Well I saw at least 2 people claim to get one recently. Both of those people have already contacted me. I know there are more. I am just verifying the results of a PRAR. I will not disclose anyone's identity nor information.
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Help please, what's a PRAR?
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So my initial approval has been rescinded, even after a clean Livescan.

Basically my process was as follows:
1. Talked to Freitas at a town hall, he said they were changing their policy and encouraged me to apply.
2. Applied, paying the $40 initial fee.
3. Initial application approved, told to move to fingerprinting.
4. Pay ~$100 for livescan.
5. Livescan done and came back clean
6. Denial citing lack of good cause.


This is frustrating because I wouldn't have paid the ~$100 for a live scan if they hadn't approved me, and the live scan results had nothing to do with my denial.

I contacted the office, they said it was because they couldn't do a psych eval because of the Board of Directors decision. They said their policy has now reverted back to the old way.

I was offered a refund on the $40 application fee, but not on the livescan.
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So my initial approval has been rescinded, even after a clean Livescan.

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This is frustrating because I wouldn't have paid the ~$100 for a live scan if they hadn't approved me, and the live scan results had nothing to do with my denial.

I contacted the office, they said it was because they couldn't do a psych eval because of the Board of Directors decision. They said their policy has now reverted back to the old way.

I was offered a refund on the $40 application fee, but not on the livescan.
That sucks. Unless you plan on suing them over the ~$100 for the Live Scan, I'd grab the $40.

But what really sucks is Sonoma going back to/remaining restrictive issuance. I guess they think their law-abiding residents are "special snowflakes" -- er, make that just flakes -- who can't be trusted CCWing w/o psych evals.

Funny how CCWers are no problem in the 41 Shall Issue states and Vermont. (11 of those SI states have also passed ConCarry where Right to Keep Arms => Right to Bear Arms.)

Heck, CCWers from the 40+ CA counties that liberally issue CCWs are even no problem throughout CA!

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I wish there was a recording of the meeting that several of us went to a couple years ago where Freitas told us that he would only issue a CCW to people he knew, and who had a lot of money. Paraphrased of course, but that was very clear when he explained a situation of one person who he had recently approved a CCW for, who was a friend or acquaintance of his who frequently carried cash on her person.
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Are you willing to sue over it? Did they give you an approval of some kind in writing before you did the finger prints?

If you get me your contact info (via a inbox message), I am happy to put you in touch with the attorneys that opposed the $500 fee increase for the psych eval, they may have an interest in your treatment.
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Are you willing to sue over it? Did they give you an approval of some kind in writing before you did the finger prints?

If you get me your contact info (via a inbox message), I am happy to put you in touch with the attorneys that opposed the $500 fee increase for the psych eval, they may have an interest in your treatment.
I would love to, if we could get a group of 707'ers to go in on it.
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damn I might be migrating to Sonoma to work from a green county and was wondering if I can get a permit, guess not.
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Maintain residence in the green county if you "migrate"
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I finally got around to digging through all the CCW applications that I received from the SCSO PRAR response.

I originally submitted this request because I've heard rumors (and a few CalGuners claims) that some people recieved a permit with little more than a "self defense" / "personal protection" type of good cause. (And this is after the single week window when SCSO was actually approving these.) I wanted to A) verify if this was in fact true, and B) use that to argue for my permit, using equal protection under the law.

The PRAR has revealed that no permits were approved with "self defense" or "personal protection" or even more detailed and compelling good cause statements. (Except for the ones during the one week magic window, of which there were many.)

Here are the types of people and good cause that do receive approval from the SCSO:
  • Work for Corrections or Sheriff's Department
  • Retired LEO
  • military LEO
  • have a security job (not all approved, and permits include time and place restrictions)
  • have an executive protection job (permits include time and place restrictions)
  • carry large amounts of cash
  • work for various local, county, state government agencies
  • applied between 2/20/14 and 2/27/14

Now, one caviat. The PRAR response is not complete. I asked for all applications between 2/13/14 through 12/7/2016. They clearly did not include all the applications from that time. Some they only included the renewal application, but not the original application. Now this may just be that the overworked Discovery Clerk failed to find all the documents. But the more conspiratorial Calunners here may claim that they intentionally omitted some applications that were close to "self defense" or "personal protection". I asked here on CalGuns in a couple threads for any volunteers who received a permit without some special good cause to get in contact with me. Only 2 people responded. One ended up getting strung along before eventually being denied. The other was approved, and the PRAR did not include his application (only his renewal), but this person also works for a county government.

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The upside is, Freitas will be stepping down, and not running again.
Downside is his replacement will also want his subjects to be disarmed sheeple.

Buy property somewhere in a shall issue county and apply there.
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but this person also works for a county government.
I wonder what kind of jobs these people have that make them special....


Anyway nice work. I would definately demand the rest of the applications and point out the discrepancies... you gave me a renewal but no initial for John doe....
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So, so frustrating. I would be able to protect a bunch of green paper with dead presidents on them, but I'm not allowed to protect my living, breathing family.
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So, so frustrating. I would be able to protect a bunch of green paper with dead presidents on them, but I'm not allowed to protect my living, breathing family.
It looks like the Supreme Court will decide on Thursday if they're taking Peruta.
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I wonder what kind of jobs these people have that make them special....
Nothing special. And I don't have enough data points here.
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Buy property somewhere in a shall issue county and apply there.
I own a place in Lake County. Problem is residency. Even though the PC doesn't say it has to be a primary residence, just your residence, most Sheriffs require it be primary residence. I spoke with personnel at LCSO a few years ago, and it sounds like they want to issue permits, but it was a bit sketchy. I may investigate that again.

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I wonder what kind of jobs these people have that make them special....
Nothing. They likely just got in at the right time, when Freitas was feeling...pressured....to follow the law. Now, not so much.
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I wish there was a recording of the meeting that several of us went to a couple years ago where Freitas told us that he would only issue a CCW to people he knew, and who had a lot of money. Paraphrased of course, but that was very clear when he explained a situation of one person who he had recently approved a CCW for, who was a friend or acquaintance of his who frequently carried cash on her person.
Possible corruption in issuing CCWs is a good reason for convening a grand jury.

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I wonder if the grand jury might be interested in how you have been treated differently than similarly situated people... It got people's attention in Solano.
The grand jury does the "heavy lifting" so you don't have to!

If anyone in Sonoma Co wants to liberalize issuance of CCWs for that county, check out:
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Since Sonoma Co SO is currently looking into reforming the CCW process, someone w/a contact in the CCW dept should pass along:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...121987214.html

Sacramento, San Bernardino, Fresno, Placer, and Monterey county SOs have now all gone online w/their CCW apps: initial and renewals. For Sac, this means only 1 apt for new apps and NO apts for renewals! Saves both sides time, expenses and effort.
Looks like Sonoma has put their CCW application process online too!

https://sonomaca.permitium.com/ccw/start
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Looks like Sonoma has put their CCW application process online too!

https://sonomaca.permitium.com/ccw/start
Are those fees excessive? $42 non-refundable deposit for the appointment. $212 total cost + $116 livescan.
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I own a place in Lake County. Problem is residency. Even though the PC doesn't say it has to be a primary residence, just your residence, most Sheriffs require it be primary residence. I spoke with personnel at LCSO a few years ago, and it sounds like they want to issue permits, but it was a bit sketchy. I may investigate that again.
Lake seems to a fairly easy county get a CCW in these days. Sounds like the residency question seems to be the issue you will likely face.

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Are those fees excessive? $42 non-refundable deposit for the appointment. $212 total cost + $116 livescan.
For comparison, here is what Ventura County costs.
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Dont forget that $80 renewal fee.

F this place. I cant wait to move. COME ON VA DISABILITY CLAIM!!
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I may be moving to Sonoma County and want to set up an appointment with the person who handles CCWs and who has a firm handle on issuance. I've had permits from other CA counties for the last 15 years--including red counties--and want to understand my options in Sonoma.

Can someone reply and let me know the name of the right person to speak with in the County Sheriff's office?

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Don't waste your time. CCW no more lol.
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Appreciate your opinion calgunner391. However, I currently have a red county permit and want to give Sonoma a try.

Can anyone provide a name of the right person?

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Appreciate your opinion calgunner391. However, I currently have a red county permit and want to give Sonoma a try.

Can anyone provide a name of the right person?

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I don't know your situation or how you got a permit in a red county, but there's only 3 reasons (that I know of) that will get you a permit in So Co:

1. Your occupation has you carrying large amounts of cash/jewelry
2. You're a real estate agent showing homes in remote locations
3. You have a verifiable threat of bodily harm

For #'s 1&2, your permit will be restricted to when you are engaged in those activities. And for #3, you would need police reports, restraining orders, etc... establishing your claim.

#1 pisses me off to no end since I/we are essentially being told "things" are more valuable than the lives of my/our family.
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I don't know your situation or how you got a permit in a red county, but there's only 3 reasons (that I know of) that will get you a permit in So Co:

1. Your occupation has you carrying large amounts of cash/jewelry
2. You're a real estate agent showing homes in remote locations
3. You have a verifiable threat of bodily harm

For #'s 1&2, your permit will be restricted to when you are engaged in those activities. And for #3, you would need police reports, restraining orders, etc... establishing your claim.

#1 pisses me off to no end since I/we are essentially being told "things" are more valuable than the lives of my/our family.
The ironic thing is that, IIRC, not a single one of the 215+ examples I have of CCWers saving lives involved jewelers, coin dealers, or pharmacy reps/doctors carrying drugs.

Also, IIRC, only 1 or 2 involved someone who had a prior incident/restraining order against the BG.

That just goes to show you how BS May Issue ends up.

Pizza delivery and other take-out delivery drivers, on the other hand...
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It is just amazing to me.... I recently renewed my permit with SRPD and the renewal fee to the PD was only $3.00 (Plus the usual check to DOJ). You are not reading that wrong.... three dollars.

The fees charge by the county are so much more than the city and for no good reason.


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Not to mention they'll lead you on with the $40 application fee and a $100 background check only to tell you you've been denied for lack of good cause...


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It is just amazing to me.... I recently renewed my permit with SRPD and the renewal fee to the PD was only $3.00 (Plus the usual check to DOJ). You are not reading that wrong.... three dollars.

The fees charge by the county are so much more than the city and for no good reason.
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