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Old 08-02-2019, 5:19 AM
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Has anyone out there been loading custom 22 Long Rifle?

I just picked up some primed cases.


https://fedarm.com/product/22lr-prim...-2000-ct-pack/

https://fedarm.com/product/22lr-coni...llet-ammo-kit/


I also picked up a heeled bullet mold.

https://oldwestbulletmoulds.com/prod...e-cavity-mould

Picked up a crimp die too.

https://oldwestbulletmoulds.com/prod...ifle-crimp-die

Want to try to powder coat the bullets from the 40 grain mold, and try custom powder loads. Probably 1 to 1.5 grains of powder total.

Powders to try....

Alliant E3

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Let us know how this goes. Hopefully you are doing it for the pure joy of the hobby.

At < .05 cents per round I don't know that I would ever reload .22 unless I were able to get match grade performance.

Even then match grade .22 goes for about the same price per round as 9mm.
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Let us know how this goes. Hopefully you are doing it for the pure joy of the hobby.

At < .05 cents per round I don't know that I would ever reload .22 unless I were able to get match grade performance.

Even then match grade .22 goes for about the same price per round as 9mm.


I am doing this for the hobby. I remember when 22 LR was non existent in stores.

I also remember as a kid when Target stores used to sell bricks of CCI 22ís for less than $10.00 (Mid 1980ís).



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What do the primed cases go for? Cannot imagine this being worthwhile! Just buy 22 l.r. when it is available is definately the route of less resistance. I believe rimfire bullets are all produced by being swaged into shape and not cast.

Am curious if u get worthwhile accuracy from cast bullets and whether coated one are any better?
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What do the primed cases go for? Cannot imagine this being worthwhile! Just buy 22 l.r. when it is available is definately the route of less resistance. I believe rimfire bullets are all produced by being swaged into shape and not cast.



Am curious if u get worthwhile accuracy from cast bullets and whether coated one are any better?


You guys need to think the long game. This is about having the ability to build your own. This state (Crapifornia) keeps taking more and more rights away. Now is the time to figure out how to do your own before its too late...

Total cost of 2000 primed cases to my door is $57.76

That is $0.029 per case...

To me the ability to have ammo is priceless...

Lead per pound is $1.00 and at 40 grains I can cast 175 bullets per pound. Bullet cost each is $0.006

Powder at estimated $30 per pound is $0.005 per shot at 1 grain.

Total cost of assembled bullets is...

$0.029 Primed Case
$0.006 Lead Bullet
$0.005 Powder

Total cost of assembled round is $0.04

Not bad for custom ammunition. All cost have been rounded up.

At $20 per 500 fully custom loaded, that is a good deal now days.





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This state has gotten where it is because of people wanting to do the less resistance thing. If we donít stand up, then less resistance will lead us down to hell.


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Primed cases=no hazmat fees?
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Yup. And no registration $ for the ammo...


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I just buy 20 or 50k at a time and store them in water resistant storage. Much easier and faster, for the same price, and better quality.

I do appreciate the effort and thirst for knowledge though.
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I would much rather go thru that hassle for reloading centerfire ammo as the effort would be almost the same. I am really curious as to what accuracy hand cast and loaded rimfire will get.

I cast and load for 9mm, 38, and 45 Acp. Primers were purchased in quantity for around $20 per thousand. The numbers dont make the rimfire seem appealing.

I think I would hang up the rimfires if ammo got to be that much hassle to aquire and convert over to all centerfire.

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I two picked up a few thousand primed 22lr casings in anticipation of a future shortage.

But mine came with powder and lead installed for no extra price.
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I just buy 20 or 50k at a time and store them in water resistant storage. Much easier and faster, for the same price, and better quality.



I do appreciate the effort and thirst for knowledge though.


I donít know how you figure better quality if store bought. Quality is in the hands of the craftsman. I can tell you mine will be quality.

Yes faster to just buy it, but we are a society who just wants to buy off Amazon or shop at Walmart. Society as a whole is getting lazier, and has lost skilled labor. The art of making something yourself is priceless.

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I would much rather go thru that hassle for reloading centerfire ammo as the effort would be almost the same. I am really curious as to what accuracy hand cast and loaded rimfire will get.



I cast and load for 9mm, 38, and 45 Acp. Primers were purchased in quantity for around $20 per thousand. The numbers dont make the rimfire seem appealing.



I think I would hang up the rimfires if ammo got to be that much hassle to aquire and convert over to all centerfire.


I reload for everything I have, and the only one left out was 22 Long Rifle. I also got back to casting bullets again. Getting excited to start casting 22 heeled bullets.


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This sounds like a lot of work, but I hope you post some pics of casting, loading, and accuracy results.
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So we all know its not a money saving trip. Kudos to you for doing it, you just might make a better 22LR.

How is it that there is no hazmat fee?
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Powder coating seems like it would be problematic.
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So we all know its not a money saving trip. Kudos to you for doing it, you just might make a better 22LR.



How is it that there is no hazmat fee?


It is how the shipping rules work.

Primers shipped = Hazmat

Brass Cases shipped = normal freight

Primed Cases shipped = normal freight

Loaded Ammo = Hazmat

Here is some more info about this...


http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thr...e-law.3812580/



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Powder coating seems like it would be problematic.


I donít know why. They do it commercially. I have purchased the CCI holiday packs. They shot well out of my G17 (22 LR upper conversion).

I might have to play with the coating thickness, but I think it is doable.

The CCI powder coated ones left the barrel very clean.


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I didn't know you could buy primed 22lr cases! I'm going to have to look into this. I load for everything I own except 22lr (and cast my own bullets for about 90% of the loads) and have thought it would be fun to work up different 22lr loads. I looked into this in the past but didn't feel like putting in the work but with primed cases available....

Anyway, my thoughts, which really aren't worth much, are:

1. There is a section on the castboolits for rimfire reloading. I think the focus is more on black powder loads, but there may be some helpful info there.

2. I do load for 32s&w (short) and 32ACP and the biggest issue I came across was metering the powder. None of my powder measures (Lee & RCBS) could throw a charge small enough with enough consistency and the Lee powder dippers are too large. So I created powder dippers from old 22lr cases and they work very well. I just cleaned out the old primer with a pick and kept cutting down the brass until I got the charge I wanted. Initial cuts were using my dremel with a cutoff tool, then when it got close, I used a file to file it down. Initially I would braze/solder a piece of a wire coat hanger to the brass case for a handle but found that it was easier to raid my wife's craft drawer and steal her E6000 and just epoxy the handle on.

Good luck! It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.
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I donít know why. They do it commercially. I have purchased the CCI holiday packs. They shot well out of my G17 (22 LR upper conversion).

I might have to play with the coating thickness, but I think it is doable.

The CCI powder coated ones left the barrel very clean.


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Total cost of 2000 primed cases to my door is $57.76

That is $0.029 per case...

To me the ability to have ammo is priceless...

Lead per pound is $1.00 and at 40 grains I can cast 175 bullets per pound. Bullet cost each is $0.006

Powder at estimated $30 per pound is $0.005 per shot at 1 grain.

Total cost of assembled bullets is...

$0.029 Primed Case
$0.006 Lead Bullet
$0.005 Powder

Total cost of assembled round is $0.04

Not bad for custom ammunition. All cost have been rounded up.

At $20 per 500 fully custom loaded, that is a good deal now days.

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You will never get better than factory ammo for that cost. You will spend $$$ working up loads, casting, lubing, etc.

Do it for entertainment, not logic.

For practicality, buy aguila super extra on sale, it is great ammo. Buy 5k and you will likely not have to buy more. It will take up less room and weight than the equivalent loading equipment and supplies.

Where will you get the proper .22lr powder? Dead-soft lead?

Do it for fun, not because it makes sense.

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Because there isn’t a primer, then do you need to make a gunpowder paste to coat the inside of the rim where the firing pin would hit.

After your primed cases wear out, you could probably straighten the brass where the firing pin hit.
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Too much work for me and I'm happy to reload popular centerfire for the cost of bulk commercial ammo. But at least I can reuse the brass.

Frankly, if comes down to being able to make ammo should it become unobtanium, I'd rather invest in making jacketed .223 bullets using 22LR cases as jackets.
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God Bless America , You get much better quality ammo by reloading/loading . Olympic shooters have been doing it for years . Why do you think the primed cases are available ?

Dragginpanda , you don't use gunpowder paste to make the priming compound in reloading rimfire cases . And you remove the dimple in used cases , it is very easy , takes about as much time as removing a primer from a centerfire case .

Jagerdog , I also swag bullets from empty , worn out rf cases for my 218 Bee . Takes the same amount of time for either project .

My Grandfather reloaded 22 rf ammo during the depression to keep his family fed , I was lucky enough to get his tool , which he made , and his bullet mold , which he also made . I also got all his loading data from his notebook .
He used shotgun shells for both the lead and powder , was easier for him to get a couple of shells from neighbors than get loaded ammo for the 22 . One shotgun shell made/makes 20 rounds of rf and if the shot is the right size , no molding is needed . Can be done in the field .
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Here is another powder I will try...

3N37

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God Bless America , You get much better quality ammo by reloading/loading . Olympic shooters have been doing it for years . Why do you think the primed cases are available?
Your posts are not primarily about the unacceptable accuracy of .22lr ammo.

I don't think those are match cases for accuracy either.

I indulge in tinkering myself, but I know when it makes better sense to buy. For me, .22lr is a perfect example of that.
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Your posts are not primarily about the unacceptable accuracy of .22lr ammo.

I don't think those are match cases for accuracy either.

I indulge in tinkering myself, but I know when it makes better sense to buy. For me, .22lr is a perfect example of that.
10 shots into a dime size circle at 50 yds is good enough accuracy from my loaded 22 rf in my rifles , I load a bit different for each , custom tuned for each.

I find it extremely acceptable.
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Sounds like a fun reloading project. I was going to get this kit, but the components are corrosive and I don't believe it's that accurate.

https://sharpshooter-22lr-reloader.m...2-reloader-kit

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[QUOTE=RogueSniper;23274160]Sounds like a fun reloading project. I was going to get this kit, but the components are corrosive and I don't believe it's that accurate.QUOTE]

That kit is as accurate as any other , depends on how precise you get .

It is similar to the one that was made by my Grandfather , maybe just a little fancier and polished is all , and aluminum not steel .

And the primer compound that the company sells isn't any different than what is in the pre-primed shells , except it does not come premixed and in the case .

Now the stuff my Grandfather used , that was nasty stuff .
But the black powder loads are fun , you just have to clean a bit more .
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You guys need to think the long game. This is about having the ability to build your own. This state (Crapifornia) keeps taking more and more rights away. Now is the time to figure out how to do your own before its too late...

Total cost of 2000 primed cases to my door is $57.76

That is $0.029 per case...

To me the ability to have ammo is priceless...

Lead per pound is $1.00 and at 40 grains I can cast 175 bullets per pound. Bullet cost each is $0.006

Powder at estimated $30 per pound is $0.005 per shot at 1 grain.

Total cost of assembled bullets is...

$0.029 Primed Case
$0.006 Lead Bullet
$0.005 Powder

Total cost of assembled round is $0.04

Not bad for custom ammunition. All cost have been rounded up.

At $20 per 500 fully custom loaded, that is a good deal now days.





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I donít know why. They do it commercially. I have purchased the CCI holiday packs. They shot well out of my G17 (22 LR upper conversion).

I might have to play with the coating thickness, but I think it is doable.

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The fact that it's a heeled bullet is why. The PC is going to get under the edge and fill in the right angle of the larger bullet diameter and the smaller diameter of the heel. It's going to cause crimping and seating depth problems.
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The fact that it's a heeled bullet is why. The PC is going to get under the edge and fill in the right angle of the larger bullet diameter and the smaller diameter of the heel. It's going to cause crimping and seating depth problems.


When ever I have seen factory ammo, there is up to 0.005Ē clearance on the heeled bullet part diameter and the case diameter. Only thing holding it together is a tight crimp. If CCI could get it to work along with other manufacturers, then I think I could.

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When ever I have seen factory ammo, there is up to 0.005” clearance on the heeled bullet part diameter and the case diameter. Only thing holding it together is a tight crimp. If CCI could get it to work along with other manufacturers, then I think I could.

Might have to get a custom mold or make one. Time will tell.


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Look for a .223 bullet mold with a gas check in the 30 to 36 grain range , the heel where the gas check fits works with mine .

The heel for the gas check it taller than a heel on the 22 rf , allowing for the extra room needed for powder coating .
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Old 08-08-2019, 12:55 PM
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The 22LR mold came in today. Wow, the mold is really nice. I didnít know it was going to be brass, thought it would be aluminum. I do like brass and steel molds over aluminum, from a longevity point of view.

https://oldwestbulletmoulds.com/prod...e-cavity-mould





I will have to cast some up this weekend and see how they do...




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Old 08-08-2019, 1:36 PM
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You guys need to think the long game. This is about having the ability to build your own.

To me the ability to have ammo is priceless...
Yeah I think everyone gets why reloading is good... but some would say having 50k, 100k, 200,000 rounds of your preferred and trusted rimfire ammo is the "long game" as well. People don't think of rimfire as reloadable, but the primed cases being available could change that for some people.
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Default Loading and/or reloading 22 LR...

Put together some loaded 22LR. I used some 18 grain spire point bullets I got.



Cases have been flared ever so slightly.



Case loaded with 1 grain of Vectan AS powder.



Bullet seated and crimped. No powder coating on these.




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Vectan AS powder is similar close to Trail Boss, or Accurate #2.

The Vectan AS powder is small square flat pieces of powder intermixed with green and red squares...






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