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Old 09-04-2019, 3:30 PM
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Default 30-06 with 150 ttsx bt 150

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Do to court and work I won't be able to work up a load for deer season and my only day to hunt will be the last day of season.

Give me your best load because I am going out blind.
I will sight it in first thing in the morning but won't have time for any other changes.
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Hmm...solid copper bullet,probably as long as a Sierra175mk.
I would use 46gr of IMR4895 or Varget.
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I just loaded some Nosler 150 gr E-tip ( lead free) for my rifles. E-tip is the same length as the Barnes TTSX. My load was 48.5 gr IMR4895, loaded to a COL of 3.30", CCI 200 primers.
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Send a PM to divernhunter. I'm pretty sure he's loaded the exact same round.
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Do to court and work I won't be able to work up a load for deer season and my only day to hunt will be the last day of season.

Give me your best load because I am going out blind.
I will sight it in first thing in the morning but won't have time for any other changes.
50.5gr H4895 with a 150gr TTSX
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57.0 IMR4350 / 150 Barnes TTSX. Hair over MOA in my Mod 70 Classic 30/06.

My go to Deer load in that rifle.
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My best load in a Ruger Ulta-Lite and a Ruger American was 53.5grs of Win748 with a mag primer seated so the top relief groove was showing for 2981FPS and SD2.
52gr of IMR4064 with a mag primer has worked well for my son-in-law.
My 2nd best load was 60grs or H-414/win760 with a mag primer seated the same way for 2936FPS and SD14

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I'll second the 52.0gr IMR 4064/ 150 ttsx bullet. OAL ought to be 3.235"-3.240".

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Do to court and work I won't be able to work up a load for deer season and my only day to hunt will be the last day of season.

Give me your best load because I am going out blind.
I will sight it in first thing in the morning but won't have time for any other changes.
50.0 gr Varget, WLR, Win brass, OAL 3.350. ETA THIS IS WITH THE 168 TTSX

Shoots well in my mod 70 and better in my friend's Sako (5-shot, 1.5 MOA)

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To tighten the group and get better terminal performance you might try 52.5grs and seat the bullets deeper to 3.24". The Barnes like/need bullet jump and speed for both. Just a thought God Bless America
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To tighten the group and get better terminal performance you might try 52.5grs and seat the bullets deeper to 3.24". The Barnes like/need bullet jump and speed for both. Just a thought God Bless America
Thx but I was using the 168 TTSX
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This shot well at distance, but was too hot:







I have shot 150 grain Fed Fusion with 57 and 59 grs AA4350, the 59 grain stuff great. Absolutely no pressure issues at the 100 yard range.



grease on the bullet keeps the fouling down and lubricating the case creates a stress free, perfectly fireformed case.



I consider these groups great for a sporter rifle. But, all of these groups are contemptible compared to what a bench rest rifle would do. As so I have been informed by a Bench Rest Champion. But then, how is your offhand with a bench rest rifle?

Based on my 100 yard experience with AA4350 I loaded up a bunch of cases with 60.0 grains of H4350 and took that to CMP Talladega. That load was entirely too hot. I am going to be cutting both loads based on my H4350 experience, will be cutting them two grains. It is better to be safe than sorry. I chronograped the Federal Fusion bullet with 57.0 grains of AA4350 and received 2700 fps over the chronograph.

When things cool down and I have the time to load more Federal Fusion 150's I will be testing these at distance. I know in this 3000 fps world that a bullet going 2700 fps is considered too slow, but I don't want function issues due to pressure, and cutting loads always reduces the pressure in the case.

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^^^ Bullets are not legal in Cal. Must be non-lead.

God Bless America---Sorry but I missed that and since the question was about 150gr TTSX bullets I answered as such.
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^^^ Bullets are not legal in Cal. Must be non-lead.

God Bless America---Sorry but I missed that and since the question was about 150gr TTSX bullets I answered as such.
You missed nothing, I brain-farted. I thought I had used the 150's, but then I double-checked.

The thread is indeed about 150's and that's what I mistakenly thought I used.
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OP, Wal Mart has these for about $25

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Shot today.

The high left was a hot barrel. The 5th shot was a flier all day with 5 shot groups. COL is 3.205 can go 3.200 if more jump is needed. .050Ē of the lands.
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^^^ Bullets are not legal in Cal. Must be non-lead.
Federal Fusion bullets are clearly lead core



I want to thank you Californian's for keeping down the demand for lead core bullets and maintaining the affordability of these things in the free states of the Union.

Still, I think 57 grains of AA4350 has potential, even with all copper bullets.
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Still, I think 57 grains of AA4350 has potential, even with all copper bullets.
Well, that's what I all ready stated in post #6. 57.0 Gr. IMR 4350 W/ Barnes 150 TTSX.
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Well, that's what I all ready stated in post #6. 57.0 Gr. IMR 4350 W/ Barnes 150 TTSX.
And I agree with you.
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Where did you get the data for 4350 powder? I did not see it in the Barnes data.
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Here is the Barnes Data for the bullets I have. I am hopeful the brass gets here on Tuesday and a buddy of mine can try it out on Thursday.
I have never cut it this close before.
Thanks for all the suggestions!!!
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Where did you get the data for 4350 powder? I did not see it in the Barnes data.
You're correct, Barnes doesn't show the data for 4350 in the 30/06. I worked it up from a lead core load I shot for years. Shoots great.

I also worked up a non Barnes tested load using IMR4451 using the Barnes 110 TTSX in my 270 Win. I found 58.0 Grs. gave me 3240 FPS / 1 MOA accuracy and no pressure signs. I stopped there, not going any higher. This load took a nice Nevada Antelope @ about 300 yards, one shot, last fall.
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Here is the Barnes Data for the bullets I have. I am hopeful the brass gets here on Tuesday and a buddy of mine can try it out on Thursday.
I have never cut it this close before.
Thanks for all the suggestions!!!
The 30-06 is extremely easy to reload good, accurate ammunition. If it helps, the standard match load with a 168 SMK was 55.0 grains IMR 4350 or 47.0 grains IMR 4895. I have shot both, in Garands (the IMR 4895) and in bolt guns (4350 and 4895) in weather conditions varying as much as being in the snow to eye crossing 90 + heat waves.





You do not have to hot rod the 30-06, I think it is at its best in terms of feed and extraction reliability if loads are kept below 50,000 psia. If you hot rod, you might as well tape a cleaning rod to knock out the occasional stuck case. I had one stored in my scope stand, and I had to use it, and so did others. That will ruin a match score, and probably ruin a hunt.

The service round can be duplicated with a 150 grain anything and 47.5 grains IMR 4895. Looking at that bullet, I would fill the grease grooves with a hard grease, or a combination of beeswax and crisco, (a 50/50 mix works great in BP) and reduce barrel pressures, increase velocity and reduce jacket fouling.

That is what the Swiss did with their service ammunition, and the Swiss are pretty smart about guns.


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For 150 gr bullet, try 46 gr of 4895 in 30-06. Never shot this load with copper bullets.
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For 150 gr bullet, try 46 gr of 4895 in 30-06. Never shot this load with copper bullets.


Thatís the exact load I used with a nosler 150gr etip. Reason I went with that is thatís my 168gr garand load (although this was shot out of a bolt 03A3) and a 150 in copper is the same length as a 168 lead. If I recall that was noslers start load for the etip.



Iíd imagine a Barnes ttsx load would be similar. Barnes data looks a little hot. I could be wrong though.


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Because Noslers do not have the relief grooves that the Barnes bullets have they must be loaded to less levels or get pressure spikes. This is what the old Barnes X-Bullets had trouble with. That was the reason for the relief grooves and for less fouling and better accuracy
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Because Noslers do not have the relief grooves that the Barnes bullets have they must be loaded to less levels or get pressure spikes. This is what the old Barnes X-Bullets had trouble with. That was the reason for the relief grooves and for less fouling and better accuracy
Would filling the grooves with a grease reduce fouling even more?

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Reason I went with that is thatís my 168gr garand load (although this was shot out of a bolt 03A3)
Can't go wrong with that load in a Garand:














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At a 600 yard Benchrest match your 5 shot groups will all need to be 2 inches to get any fake wood trophies for 6 targets over two days.

Your 10 shot groups will all have to be less than 3 inches to get any trophies for 60 shots over 2 days. To get a small group record your 5 shot group must be less than 3/8th of an inch at 600 yards


But you know, I don't know anyone who is taking their benchrest rifle out hunting.
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The grooves are there for the displaced metal to go and thus reducing pressure spikes. I do not think grease would help considering the FPS they are going.
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The grooves are there for the displaced metal to go and thus reducing pressure spikes. I do not think grease would help considering the FPS they are going.
Hopefully I won't have to buy all copper bullets, but if I do, I would experiment with filling the grooves with grease and see, if that in fact, reduces pressures by reducing friction within the bore.

Anyone remember the moly lube era?
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If I had an all copper load for my benchrest rifles I would take them hunting and just use the 30-06 as a backup gun.
I received the brass and will possibly get to try the load one week early but that is a slim possibility.
I don't know of anyone hunting in field conditions with greased bullets?
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I don't know of anyone hunting in field conditions with greased bullets?
Everyone who carries a 22lr and takes that into the woods, is using a greased bullet. The 22lr is an 1880's technology and the use of externally greased bullets was the standard in all the rimfire cartridges of period. And then, everyone who uses a cast bullet, is using a greased bullet. And of course, anyone using BP, like my Minie's. those bullets are greased. I use a 50/50 mix of crisco and beeswax. I increase the percentage of beeswax for warmer weather, and I fill the base of the Minie ball with grease. I want a lot of grease on those bullets. Moly lube is a grease. Millions of moly lube bullets were shot down centerfire barrels, it was big in the 1990's/early 2000's

And, this ammunition, currently on the market, has a greased bullet. The Swiss have been using externally greased centerfire ammunition since the 1888's.

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I am hunting deer in California so 22 long rifle isn't even a legal option.
And I don't know anyone using greased all copper bullets do you?
This is Calguns not Europeanguns so no lead core or Minnie balls are allowed in California for hunting.
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