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No, I'm agreeing that the PDP is a really sweet gun to shoot. Market forces work both ways. If I didn't like my PDP and decided to sell it here, I'd probably get $550 for it and take a $100 loss (compared to what I paid for it).
To the OP, you need to choose yourself whether the California premium is worth it. Just like the Sig guys from a few years ago. If you think a Sig is worth twice the price of a Glock, you buy it for that price. If you really like the Walther, you make the choice to either pay the California premium and enjoy your gun or you compromise the other way and buy the next best thing that is "on-roster" in California. I don't want anyone to move to Texas just for the 2A rights we have out here. That's just a fringe benefit. My point is that I agree that the PDP has great ergonomics and is a gun that has evolved in the past 2 decades since the roster started. |
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Completely fallacious and you know it.
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However, since he maintains his CA residency, he can not legally bring any firearms he acquired in MT to CA, unless they are imported into CA through a CA FFL dealer. Firearms imported into CA need to be CA legal and can not include any large capacity magazines. In addition, if the firearms are handguns, then they must be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it (C&R, OTP, SAE, SSE2). Failure to utilize a CA FFL dealer to import the firearms into CA equates to a misdemeaner per long gun and a felony per handgun. Since the Walther PDP is a non-exempt off-Roster handgun, your friend can not legally bring that handgun to CA and if he does he will be committing a CA felony. In addition, the handgun will be considered an illegal imported firearm that will be subject to confiscation/destruction, if discovered. |
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Only downside is cost of mags.
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That said, now that my 13-yr old is quite OK with how he performs with his Glock 17 - I let him try out the Q5 PF. Yikes! He wants to switch!! (He said that the SF was too heavy for him) _ |
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I got one in 2015 and it's a great pistol ( 9mm ) I have owned a generation 2 / Glock19 for many years and find that i like the Sig better. BTW, these pistols have a long track record with many Police Departments the world over, including France, Switzerland and Colombia..
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Now they are upgrades from the stock PDP so the prices are higher. If I wanted a threaded barrel, I would be tempted to get the "tactical" model. I did have a Sig 2022 in 40 S&W. It was a very nice gun and shooting it single action was about as good as shooting a 1911. The trigger sat at the back of the trigger guard and broke right at the back so it was a really nice. The DA was super long and didn't break until the trigger was virtually touching the back of the trigger guard. If you haven't shot a 2022, try it. It's really fun. The weight of the gun helped absorb the recoil of the 40 cartridge. I would guess the 9 would be a really soft shooter. Unfortunately I sold it to finance a Shield 9 when I thought I was going to get a CCW in CA. I'm now glad I didn't but I do regret selling that 2022. A low budget gun with a low budget watch, but they both got the job done |
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If you are willing to “downgrade” to the PPQ Q5 match pistol, plastic or steel frame, you might get it for a lower “off-roster” price now that the PDP has been released. Honestly, I have the Q5 Match SF, and it’s fantastic. It is also red dot ready out of the box. I hear the trigger on the PDP is possibly better, but some reviewers say it’s about the same as the PPQ.
I love my PPQ, which is incredibly accurate. So much so that I don’t shoot it as often as my other pistols, because I have very tight groups at 20-25 yards. Also, because the trigger pull is quite light, I don’t choose to use it as an HD pistol. More for range fun. So that might be an alternative that is easier to find and not quite as expensive as the PDP right now. On a side note, I am a little disappointed that Walther seems to change their pistol lines so quickly. While I love my PPQ, I am no longer interested in getting another Walther for that reason. I don’t want a pistol that will no longer be in production after a few years. |
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I would bring it to CA the next time I visit, except at this time the full size PDPs only come with 18rnd mags and unlike the compact version PPQ mags will not work. |
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I do wish they had a couple optics lugs... so that the screws were not stressed... but I bet it is an easy fix.
Honestly tho... seeing Walther's platform fickleness... if I was exempt... I'd be getting CZ polymer, Caniks, and even Armscor metal frame striker fired pistols first. Maybe even PSA, hahah. |
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Great response! It is hard for those in CA who have to put up with CA's BS to grasp that it does not and should not take more than 20 minutes to purchase a non NFA firearm and leave the store with it. But, technically, it was not "off roster" because that BS does not exist where you and I live. However, your point is OK, because you were responding to a person who is subject to such BS.
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That's what people who live out of state do. We let it go if it is one of us that recently escaped. Sometimes they do incorrectly assume that we did not already know what rights you have in other states - like buying a gun and walking out with it.
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A G19 sized grip on a large G34 sized slide and a rear sight on the Q5 that you lost when you removed the optics plate. The relatively small mag was not that big a deal and MECGAR +2 extensions do fit. The rear sight is not as easy to overlook IMHO. Overall it is a really fun range gun and one of the best Glock knock-offs. |
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I love the platform. I'm definitely keeping the one I have. But here, in California, I (personally) don't plan to get another. Hence my disappointment. I'm not upset about it. |
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I would have to concur with the above. One of the factors driving the off roster premium is the "newness" of a firearm. I got my polymer Q5 at only $1,200 because the steel frame Q5 just came out, which was selling in California for $3,500 at the onset. But seriously - I could darn say that even if the PDP were an "upgrade" to the PPQ or that the PPQ is a "lesser" firearm than the PDP for one reason or another (grip texture, trigger setup, internals, etc.) - the majority of shooters will NOT be able to demonstrate any significant performance differences... Again this is presumption that the gun is being procured for utility NOT for a collection... Quote:
I don't find a significant difference between the trigger pull weight of say my polymer/steel Q5s to a Glock 17 Gen 3 with a stock, albeit Flitz-polished assembly with an OEM minus connector. Obviously the break with the former is crispier with less of the mushiness coming from the 'longer' pull of the minus connector of the latter. That said - even the "trashy" Glock triggers cannot be considered a performance factory anymore. I was at the range yesterday with a Glock 21SF Gen 3 with a stock trigger assembly (yes, with the heavier springs meant for 45ACP) - I managed to surprise myself with a 2.5-inch group at 25-yards! With a budget Tupperware Glock! Quote:
There are comparative and cheaper alternatives in the Roster. To the @OP - suggest to get one of these and spend the rest on training and ammo which will do better for one's skills than some fancy "flavor of the month" firearm... Unless of course, the OP has a different use case (collection). Good luck on your decision!!! (Just remember that your FIRST purchase will NOT be your LAST) _ |
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The few minor CONS with a Q5 are not as bad as screws not rated for holding an RMR (alone) shearing off because there are no lugs on the PDP (certainly that will happen when you least expect it)... but that just IMHO. It is for sure a gorgeous gun, as is the Q5. I think the standard PPQ had quite a bit more of that gaudy Walther design flourish and less of the high tech tactical... like VP9, etc...
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The last BRAND NEW GEN3 G34 from Sportsman's I handled (family member bought one) had a great trigger on it. I was pretty surprised actually. Would I replace it with a ZEV V4 Race or TTI connector? Yeah, probably, but it was good. You can polish or dremel on your Glocks but a $15 or $25 part that is factory hardened is better IMHO.
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Jesse, You cannot buy an off roster pistol ONLINE in CA. You can connect with the person and arrange FFL purchase. The pistol needs to be owned by a CA resident inorder to resell to another CA resident. Essentially, you will never be able to buy a new off roster gun in CA. But if your parents live in another state and gift it to you...
Take your time, determine what you want and know your personality because this can get expensive real quick. |
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Depends on what you consider new. I'm sure many people have bought PPT (Private Party Transfer) guns that have never been fired and are still brand new in the box.
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I have to say, that until I decided I wanted to purchase a gun, I had NO idea about how ridiculous California gun laws are.
I don't consider myself a right winger, but California is SO over the top leftist, it is incredible. I will eventually move out of this state that I have lived in my whole life |
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I never measured it, though. Interesting. I feel like mine is definitely less than a 5 pound pull. |
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But with the discontinuation of the PPQ line, I don't know how much longer accessories will be made. |
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Well if it's discontinued you can't get a new one from your local ffl. To me that is losing it. That really was the best gun on the roster up to the point it was discontinued.
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Am glad that I still have the TS in 40... Quote:
And you are right - a bone stock Glock 17 with the OEM standard connector should be about 5.5#. Mine has the minus, then metal polished with Flitz ($0.25 trigger job) and a few thousands of rounds of wear and tear... Less than 4# - thus felt closer to the Q5. My home defense Glock 21SF Gen 3 - with the 6# striker spring but OEM minus and Flitzed parts has about 3# 13-oz. _ |
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FS vs compact is really a personal choice. I thought I really wanted a full size with the longer barrel until I handled the 4” compact and found that my hand was fully on the grip with comfort. I also figured that with a red dot, the slightly shorter sight radius wasn’t going to be a deal breaker.
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I'm not at the level to compete as of yet, in my opinion. I plan to work on my fundamentals and take more than the three courses I've taken so far. I'm planning to go to Front Sight sometime later this year if I can find the time. |
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Just going by feel, my PPQ has a lot of take-up and is not real smooth, decent wall, a little creep and light break. I like my G41 with TTI connector just as much, but the G41 is probably 4-8 ounces heavier... take-up on the G41 is smoother. Both are superb striker-fired triggers IMHO. Both have great resets to my taste.
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If you want to try out either and many other off roster guns, try to get to Vegas or Reno. The ranges in NV rent out a wide variety of off roster guns, and for $25 you can rent 3 at at time + fee + bullets. ~ $100 for 2 hours. They have everything and more. They are very welcoming to California residents. Just walk in ask question, register, answer some questions and shoot. Reno Gun and Range (Reno) and American Shooter(Vegas) are highly recommended. If you get a chance do try the SIG 365, HK VP9sk, and PPQc. Best thing about NV, they got it all! Have fun. Walther-PPQ-Subcompact-SC-5.jpg Last edited by Harry Ono; 06-26-2021 at 11:34 AM.. |
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For a 9mm, the PPQ's flip more than Glocks IMHO. Both fun to shoot. Overall, most Glock knock-offs are not as good as the original, including a PPQ. They are doing the PDP video right now. |
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